Anybody, including women, merchants, laborers, and the evil-minded can attain the supreme goal by just surrendering unto My will (with loving devotion), O Arjuna. (9.32) O Pritha's Son! whoso will turn to Me, Though they be born from the very womb of Sin, Woman or man; sprung of the Vaisya caste Or lowly disregarded Sudra, all Plant foot upon the highest path; ()
RE:GITA Chapter 9 Shloka 32
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Fine even I am secular minded, but why this adamency to break a 1000 year temple rule. Those who cant accept this rule can avoid this temple, this temple cant be holy-unholy at same time
RE:RE:GITA Chapter 9 Shloka 32
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 06, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Let him renounce Christianity, embrace Hinduism. he will be most welcome to Hindu temple.
For past few weeks one minister in kerala, is thinking that he can decide and change all the rules and offerings in the Guruvayoor Temple. Mr.Minister may want to make to make it as his party office, his thinking ability is limited to that extend..as a local party secretary. I also belive in CPM, I admire the good things by Mr.V.S.Achuthanandan. But first he took the name of Mr.Yesudas and started all these games. I think he wanted to be in the news by doing all this non sense. Another fact is that any fool can talk and hurt the feelings of hindus, but scared to do with others.
Mr.Minister, we devotees of Guruvayoorappan, has got certain feeling to the temple, please don`t hurt. If you want to open, please open some where else...where you can.
Mr.Cheif minister please advise good thoughts to your fellow minister.
Very true. Wholly unnecessary, manufactured controversy created to ridicule Hinduism, peoples belief, and custome.
Yesudas is a Xtian. He said that openly in CNN_IBN and simply said, I sing all songs/ He didn't show any humility at all.
Kazi Nazrul Islam, a great Bengali Poet, though Muslim, wrote probably the bestest Shyama Sangeet (In Praise of Goddess Kali). But Nazrul never demanded he be allowed in Kalighat Temple.
Neither WB CPIM ever raised this issue.
I think, Xtian groups, with help of media is creating these controvery in Southern India.
Very Shameful.
However, I will add, people like AR Rahman are NOT angaged in these gimics.
All these issues raised now is an outcome of some political gain. Apart from the other temples in Kerala, Guruvayur Temple is governed by a political body and now it is under the rule of the left parties. I was there in Guruvayur Temple seven years ago when Mr. ravikrishna got married. All the laymen who visited the temple to have a 'Darsanam' of the Guruvayurappan had to wait for hours till the 'Punyaham' been done. And when we all waiting in the qeue at the 'Vadakke Nada' (North Entrance) two famous and young political leaders of the Congress Party tried to enter the inner side of the temple using their political charishma. I have seen this thing many times (even one month back) as people wait in the qeue some others who have connection with politicians, high business people , so called priests or even a mahout in the temple enter in to temple for a 'Darsanam'. They don't need to wait in the qeue. They will get the prasadam at their hotel room without waiting in front of the counters. And these fools don't know that the Almighty who knows everything can see people who are backdoor entrants. We can understand allowing high celebrities like ministers enter into the temple without lining up in the qeue. But what about these relatives when people wait in the qeue for hours? Last month, I tried not to have a proper 'Darsanam' as the qeue was there upto the entrance of the 'Sathram' in multiple lines. I with my wife travelled all way to Guruvayur from Chennai to perform a 'sayana
I am yet to hear of any Christian married to a Hindu who follows Hinduism. It is always the other way around. They never accept prasad offered after poojas and never pray in the temple. If she was a Hindu, why did she not go to the temple. I am sure she must have baptised her children in the Church and they are also Christians. If there is a rule followed by a temple, why cannot it be followed? Why rake up the issue of the discrimination being due to Vayalar Ravi being a Elava? Politicians have a habit of unduly highlighting caste discriminations.
In our apartments, there is a family. Husband is a Brahmin, wife is a Christian. Their son is also a Christian. They got ochurch evry Sunday. They practise Christianity.
A Hindu family converted into Christians. They have two daughters, naturally Christians.
A boy among their relatives, who are still Hindus, fell in love with this Christian girl and wants to marry her. Now, this Christian family says that they will let him marry her, only if he too converts to Christianity.
It seems that our political leaders are intrested in getting political milage even in their personal matters when the rule was applied at the time of marriage of Vayalar Ravi's son why is it not applicable now.pls do not spoil the age old traditions for your political milage
Once, in Kasi, when Sri Sankara was going to the Vishwanath Temple, his path was blocked by an "untouchable" who was accompanied by his wife and 4 dogs. The disciples of Sri Sankara shouted at him to make way, and to keep a distance. The untouchable smiled and said, ""According to your principle of Advaita, which you practice, all the Jivatma are same as God. How do you ask me to go? How am I different from your Paramacharya? What you say is unreasonable. How can I go away from myself?" Sri Sankara realised that it was not an ordinary person and understood that it was Lord Shiva himself who had come along with His consort and the four Vedas. He prostrated before the Lord and sang five slokas called "Manisha Panchakam". Lord Shiva presented himself along with Visalakshi and blessed Sri Sankara.
How can Sankara prescribe such rituals when he himself practiced Advaita Vedanta
RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by Gururaj Vaidya on Jun 06, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
What is GOD? by Gururaj Vaidya on Jun 06, 2007 09:17 AM | Hide replies
The same Adi Shankara who supposedly made the rules at Guruvayur, made a statement having a profound meaning = "Bramha Satya, Jagat mithya, Jivo Brahmaiva napara", "Aham Brahmasmi".
If you deeply understand the meaning of these statements, you will realise that there is no need to visit any temple, church, masjid, gurudwara and any other temple. What are these temples any way? A means of asking gullible public to pay for receiving some UNKNOWN blessings of QUESTIONABLE GOD.
People should just stop going to any temple - be it the Tirupati, or the Jyotirlings or the Devi temples. GOD is not so cheap that it will get swayed by offerings of earthly human. What can you offer in any case to the ALMIGHTY who has created all and who is also residing in you.
Temples have converted GOD into a business to earn money and Power. These are just like a market place, a subji mandi.
What is GOD? RE:RE:What is GOD? by Gururaj Vaidya on Jun 06, 2007 09:48 AM The Point was, why should the Ravi and Ravikrishna make such a fuss about going to a temple in the first place? If you are so liberated as to marry a Christian (Nothing wrong in that), then why bother to go to a Hindu place of worship? If you have shown that you dont believe in the Hindu faith, then why make a fuss about taking your son, born out of an act of faith defiance, to seek blessings again to a temple of the same faith. Is it not being hyp
RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 06, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
Extending your logic, why do we need to go to a temple at all?
You can worship God anywhere, right?
What do you say?
Practising Advaita Vedanta and prescribing these rituals are not contradictory with each other.
What you need to understand is a temple is not a public place, where evry Tom, Dick and Harry can stroll in.
A temple has certain rules and customs to be followed.
Today, even some restaurants have dress code to be followed. They don't allow you inside if you don't wear shoes.
A temple is one way of transforming a person and elevating him. It is one of the ways, not the only way. For that transformation and elevation to happen, certain ambience and atmosphere is required. That is why camphor is lit, flowers are thrown, Sanskrit solkas are uttered and so on.
RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Yes. This copncept of Advaita Vedanta has been inspired from several slokas of Gita. One of the slokas is verse no.29 of Chapter No.9 where Lord says: "I am equally present in all beings. None is hated by me and none is dear to me". So in Lord's eyes all r equal. My questions to the Tanthri: 1. Have u read Bhagvad Gita? 2. Is the Krishna of Guruvayoor the same Krishna who revelaed the Gita?
RE:RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by Gururaj Vaidya on Jun 06, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
GREAT my dear friend.
We have now reached a level, where if LORD KRISHNA were to reappear and tell everyone that what they are following is WRONG and not at all prescribed by HIM, HE will told to simply get lost as HE does not understand anything about the issue.
RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by anand shrinivasan ganesh on Jun 06, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
My Christian teacher once remarked: " If Jesus were scheduled to speak at Shivaji Park(mumbai) and Pope were scheduled to address the faithfuls at nother ground same day and same time, there will be a bigger crowd at the latter venue. Pope has more followers than Jesus."
RE:RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by Jayaram Kirti on Jun 06, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Please try to understand what the Tantri says.... It is just a purification ceremony.. not an insult to any individual... If you will remember it right, in the olden days only Brahmins were allowed into temples... has anyone ever thought why??? It is because unlike the Brahmins of today, the Brahmins of those days were very pious and never took Non-veg. And, even today, if u talk to certain people of the other community, you will come to know that some of them do not take non-veg on days when they go to temples. That is simply because, of the belief that by taking non-veg, one becomes impure and he does not want to dilute a holy temple. It is for the same reason that non-hindus are not allowed into The Sri Krishna Temple at Guruvayoor. Today, by an Act of Law, Hindu non-Brahmins are also allowed entry into the temple which is not in the hands of the Tantri or any other temple official. And, there are purification ceremonies which are carried on as a ritual almost every day and several times a week as mentioned by the Tantri himself. I really dont understand what is wrong in respecting a tradition of an old temple.... why talk of Advaita Vendantam... etc... narrate stories... and complicate simple things.... Just try to understand the reason behind what is being said and appreciate the age-old practice.
RE:RE:The Principle of Advaita Vedantam
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 06, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
It is a true incident. And, this story (true incident) is very, very famous, too. It is surprising that you do not know about it.
In this incident, Adi Shankara has also written a "panchakam" (five slokas), which is really wonderful, where he says that a chandala is same as Lord Siva for him.
But, Mr. $Ronaldo$ 's logic is idiotic, to say the least.
He himself is a practising Christian. He helps various organizations propagating Christianity. This is a fact established long time ago. Why all this drama pretending to be a Hindu?
I would like to know, which scripture has prescribed such action. I would like to have the page number and the name of the scripture. Being a brahmin, I must know this, so that I can check, who is entering my office, where I have a small idol of Lord Krishna. I must also know the full ritual, so that I can purify my office, every time my forign colaborator comes to visit me at my office.
RE:I need the full procedure of purification ceremony
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 06, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
hehe..keep on shouting converts:)- who cares.
Even CPIM don't have gaals to force it. It will be thrown out by court.
RE:RE:I need the full procedure of purification ceremony
by diba on Jun 06, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
dont say manusmiriti as a base philosophy for hindu religion. Manushriti it is just a instruction set for what to do not to do kind of instruction set. Remember this is cause of lot of evils of hindu religion
RE:I need the full procedure of purification ceremony
by Gururaj Vaidya on Jun 06, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
Why is he mad? It is his temple. He can do whatever he pleases with it.
RE:I need the full procedure of purification ceremony
by diba on Jun 06, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Bhaskar Babu, just You having a sirname of chattopadhyay, does not make you a pure brahmin. Have u read Veda? For genrations we are reading vedas, thats why I asked that question. Dont tell me about Bengali Brahmins, you eat things, which brhamins of south or north cant even think of. Please stop this Talibani attituted.
