People jump to conclusion without knowing the facts. Hinduism is a way of life. it follows a pattern of life which has Hierarchy where ther is a place for each community and work was split accordingly. these are time tested methods. i do agree with time we have to change. but you cannot change the basic Philosophy and tenets of hinduism. let us not debate which religion is better.
Hindus are tolerent to the extreme. people who critisize hindus are hindus. but we have given time, space for other religion to grow and florish unlike other faiths which practise harsh extremes.
dont try to run down practises which have been there for 5000 years no other religion can claim the depth and knowledge which hinduism has.
people who have little or no knowledge or have ultirior motives are behind making a issue where none existed.
You are living in a fool's paradise to think that Christians would be interested to visit yoru house of idolatory...no wonder your rules keep chaging the yoru inferiority complex has taken over your Hindu-Psyche to indulge in such activities of supposedly self glorification
RE:My home, my rules...end of story
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
You are inferior to yourself. Anyway, whatever it may be, I will do as I please in my home, as long as I dont break any laws.
NO Christians and NO Muslims in my home on Ganesha Chaturthi. MY HOME, MY RULES.
You seem to be a liberal Sameer Bhagwat...maybe you are so liberal that you will invite people to share your women and walk over your converted cross during Christmas....but MY HOME, MY RULES.
You are free to have your beliefs in your home and wipe your ass with toilet-paper having pictures of your parents.
In Guruvayoor temple, the trustee-board and priests' rules....end of story.
COurt WILL NEVER take ides on this. The priest put last nail on the coffin of V Ravi when he said: "That Act refers to inheritance of property, not of religious beliefs. As per the code governing our religion, your religious beliefs are handed down to you from your mother -- who, in this case is a Christian."
V RAVI IS EXPOSED. NOBODY, NOT EVEN LF GOVT WILL DARE TOUCH Guruvayoor Temple.
Whole of India will erupt. SC will throw that petition:)-
RE:Whoever wants to enter Hindu temple (V Ravi's Son, Yesudas......): follow what present Chief Justice did
by Sameer Bhagwat on Jun 06, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
This is a desperate act of self glorofication by the Tantri , becuase he himself knows that a true Christian/Muslim will never visit a Hindu place of idol worship, and the Tantri or Hindu priest knows the truth and the place of his religion among intellectuals, this is just an DESPERATE attempt to glorify his own Hindu religion by making others look inferior.
S hame on the so called priest, whose insecurity is a result of teh religion he follows which is based on absolute crap and nonsensical theories which change along with the dollar value in the foreign exchange and the customs change with every new bollywood movie or a silly commericial on TV channels... I forgot to mention a seemingly Hindu politician can also chnage the religion of Hinduism, one can understand the frustration of the tantri to gain recognition by all mean possible , but it has backfired and he made his Hindu religion look like a gang and this whole story is like a Hindu Gang war.
RE:Whoever wants to enter Hindu temple (V Ravi's Son, Yesudas......): follow what present Chief Justice did
by bommaraju ramarao on Jun 06, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
sameer bhagawat, either you have assumed a wron name or your parents have given you a wrong name, disgrace upon you, you ought to know that displine is GOD, irrelevant logic, devoid of standard, lurches one in the middle. The likes of you better drown youself in bay of bangal or learn to respect the rules.
RE:Whoever wants to enter Hindu temple (V Ravi's Son, Yesudas......): follow what present Chief Justice did
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 06, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
You are a well know COnvert. Nobody cares what you say on Hindus, or their culture.
RE:Dheeraj Akula: Christainity is not a religion. It is a political party. More the numbers, the better
by SAM KIM on Jun 06, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
It should be called as Buseness entity rathar than political party. coz in the end of the day profit(number of converts) that matters after investing money for conversion!.
RE:Dheeraj Akula: Christainity is not a religion. It is a political party. More the numbers, the better
by Sriram Vangal on Jun 06, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
NO. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A POLITICAL PARTY AT ALL. YOU ARE THROUGHLY MIS INFORMED ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. IT IS ACTUALLYA MULTINATIONAL BUSINESS.
RE:Dheeraj Akula: Christainity is not a religion. It is a political party. More the numbers, the better
by jeeves samat on Jun 06, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
please keep away from maligning other religions. This is not a forum for discussing other religions. Think in lines of the Tanthri and express solidarity as a hindu should.
RE:Dheeraj Akula: Christainity is not a religion. It is a political party. More the numbers, the better
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 06, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
RE:Dheeraj Akula: Christainity is not a religion. It is a political party. More the numbers, the better
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
Bhaskar is not a commie because he is speaking for the temple...Jeya Kumar, YOU are a mallu-commie or even worse a Sonia-ass-licker. Jeya Kumar- YOU leave this forum
As a secular observer I am curious; because in IIT 90% faculties were Brahmins and we didnt experience discremenatioN, and now in professional life too. They dont come across as problem makers. Then why they have serious problems with you backward guys??
When I ask my Brahmin friends they are plain indifferent to abuses like traffic noise.
On my own accord when I tried to find any Brahmin motivation to supress I found it a myth because First of all the so-called backward casts were exploited as bonded labour by the landlords (Kshtriyas and yes Yadavs.)and baniyas. Brahmins are just bystandarders.
Also for last 1000 years India was ruled by non Hindus who had nothing to do with Brahmins, actually they really cared a damn about converts.
I guess Mayawati too seems to have similar views as mine so she made 180degree turn.
Will one of you Brahmin abusers give me factual feedback that contradicts my observation.
RE:RE:RE:HAS MAYAVAT WISELY SEEN THE TRUTH?
by jeeves samat on Jun 06, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
Truth is truth, be it coming from any one, that is essenance is Hindu Philosophy, thanks Mr khan what ever your religion
RE:HAS MAYAVAT WISELY SEEN THE TRUTH?
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
No one could contradict me, so helpless that they had to resort to abuses. I got the answer problem is neither with Brahmins or OBC you middle men are the problem
RE:HAS MAYAVAT WISELY SEEN THE TRUTH?
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Nice humour. www.faithfreedom.org. No wonder not a single Arab has won any Nobel Prixze in Science.
RE:HAS MAYAVAT WISELY SEEN THE TRUTH?
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
I havent criticised Hindus most of my good friends are Hindus. I feel Hindus have strong mis understandings among themselves, which I wanted to highlight. Removing such misunderstanding is not bad is it?
This is a desperate act of self glorofication by the Tantri , becuase he himself knows that a teu Christian will never visit a Hindu place of idol worship, and the Tantri or Hindu priest knows the truth and the place of his religion among intellectuals, this is just an DESPERATE attempt to glorify his own Hindu religion by making others look inferior.
S hame on the so called priest, whose insecurity is a result of teh religion he follows which is based on absolute crap and nonsensical theories which change along with the dollar value in the foreign exchange and the customs change with every new bollywood movie or a silly commericial on TV channels... I forgot to mention a seemingly Hindu politician can also chnage the religion of Hinduism, one can understand the frustration of the tantri to gain recognition by all mean possible , but it has backfired and he made his Hindu religion look like a gang and this whole story is like a Hindu Gang war.
RE:Self glorification by the Tantri
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
Sameer- how much did the missionaries pay you convert? Were you an altar boy who was sexually abused by a 'father' as a child? Or did the mullahs tell you there are 72 virgins waiting for you?
there are many religions on this earth and has various ritualls for everyone of it,so as hindus has this as a right of protection to there religion and there is no wrong in it as for rituals are concern,because the vedas and purnas says that the hindus and there culture and the rituals first born thing with human being on this earth, due to modernity is overoccupied us, thus we are not able to accept it.my personal request to who ever has rised the complaint against the priest naambodari, not to make any issue out of our culture and our rituals, and try to accept it and give up ego and power showing. this will give the peace and acceptability to the concern. becoz india is a country in world which is purely gouvernd by rich culture and rituals, and every religion is being honoured here to follow, so let us not make an issue out it. i am strict follower of guruvayoor temple, becoz guru is brihaspati the rituals master and vayu is the air, which both belong sri krishna. and brihaspati is rituals and vayu is for clean air, and temple is srikrisna's, and duty of brihaspati is to follow strict rules of rituals and vayu to maintain clean air. and there is story to this place as per puranas, so i request to all are making the foolish statment against the priest and let us try to learn what our culture and rituals are there teach about our deep knowledge of god by following the rules of culture.
Non hindus such as muslims and christians do not believe in Idol Worship, now tell me what is there business in Temple, temple is not a place for sight seeing.
Today they are talking about punyaham tomorrow they will say there is no need for Arathi, Archana,.......etc., in a temple.
Forget about the Devasom Minister....etc., Everytime he opens his mouth he talks rubbish. Does he know the kind of fraud and money swindling that takes place in Wakf Boards and other Christian Societies.
If the politicans want everyone one to enter temple and everyone is same in front of god and law then WHY THE HELL ARE THEY NOT IMPLEMENTING AN UNIFORM CIVIL CODE. Why have different personal laws for different religions.
I wonder why these politicans have to poke their nose into all these.....religious issue, leave it to the society and community.
Now regarding Mr. Yesudas and Mr. Yusuf Ali .....etc., please understand that just because he has sung so many guruvayoor appan songs or the later has written them, it doesnot make them get special priveliges to enter THIS temple. Please understand that Mr. Yesudas or the Mr. Yusuf Ali have sung and written these songs for MONEY. Just because Mr. X or Mr. Y has a Good character or has done some good movies, ......etc., He or She cannot become President or India or Secretary General of UN.
A very Simple and Progressive end to this ISSUE is the following. Anyone (Christian or Muslim)who wants to enter Guruvayoor Temple should be asked t
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by jamshid on Jun 06, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
The problem here is ... the minister mentioned here is a HINDU and not a muslim or a xtian...
Honestly as a muslim i dont care about the internal affair of Hindus but .. why should you guys involve Xtians or Muslims in this ... racists ...
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by preethi menon on Jun 06, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
A very Simple and Progressive end to this ISSUE is the following. Anyone (Christian or Muslim)who wants to enter Guruvayoor Temple should be asked to make a SELF DECLARATION that they believe in Idol Worship. PERIOD.
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by sreejit steve on Jun 06, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
That is a classic case of bone-headedness...tell me, by signing some declaration ,will we be sure of his faith?..or his belief?...in fact, the declaration can look like a humiliating gesture to true believers...
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by preethi menon on Jun 06, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Why not make a Self Declaration, What is wrong in it. When one can make self declarations for Caste Certificate, Self Declaration for paying taxes..etc.........Why not here?
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by sreejit steve on Jun 06, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
i agree to most of what you say...except the part about the entry to non hindus...i think it is better to throw open the doors to people of all religions, like Sabari Mala...
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by Sameer Bhagwat on Jun 06, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
This is a desperate act of self glorofication by the Tantri , becuase he himself knows that a teu Christian/Muslim will never visit a Hindu place of idol worship, and the Tantri or Hindu priest knows the truth and the place of his religion among intellectuals, this is just an DESPERATE attempt to glorify his own Hindu religion by making others look inferior.
Shame on the so called priest, whose insecurity is a result of teh religion he follows which is based on absolute crap and nonsensical theories which change along with the dollar value in the foreign exchange and the customs change with every new bollywood movie or a silly commericial on TV channels... I forgot to mention a seemingly Hindu politician can also chnage the religion of Hinduism, one can understand the frustration of the tantri to gain recognition by all mean possible , but it has backfired and he made his Hindu religion look like a gang and this whole story is like a Hindu Gang war.
And this woman preeti menon is living under the impression that non Hindus are interested in visiting the temples
RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by jeeves samat on Jun 06, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
sameer disgrace on you, shut up you are a devil in the mask
RE:RE:Non Hindus have no business in temples
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
Sameer Bhagwat- which planet are you from? Yesudas is a Christian (he claims he is) and he would like to visit the temple which has an idol in it.
You have learnt some words like self-glorification and you keep using them for your own self-glorification.
Please keep your Rs.100 worth adopted-religion (in the literal sense because Im curious to know how much the missionary gave you to convert) and shove it (just like those Christian priests do to those kids or just like Mary Magdalene was deceived by those MCP apostles)
Those who claim, I am the SOLE TRUTH, all others are false ARE LOWER LEVEL OF TRUTH.
Jesus was a Yogi. Good Soul.
But people rewrote all his sayings and put in place Xtianity 300 years after his death.
Its a sham. Lower level of truth - product of a desert economy, which misses the sophisticated philosophy developed in the lush greens, high Mountains, big rivers in the land of India in a hughly developed society, economy.
RE:Xtianity is a lower level of Truth!
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
On this point, I fully agree with u. But how about self-introspecting. Manu the fake rewrote all Hindu scriptures. Let us make "hinduism shining" by dumping Manu.
RE:Xtianity is a lower level of Truth!
by Anbu selvi on Jun 06, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
You Stupid,
Here nobody wants your understanding about Jesus! Talk about your religion and fight among urselves! dont ever bother abt others! First pluck the log from your eyes! then who told u Jesus is yogi! He is the Son of God and he is God! dont talk like a fool and if you want clear picture abt Jesus dont read anything except Bible which clearly gives a picture about him
RE:Xtianity is a lower level of Truth!
by Bindu neelakandan on Jun 06, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
Then stop interfearing in their business. I have read lot of messages giving bad image on hinduism by christians and jesus being looked as the sole being, as a saviour( all rubbish). If u feel ur religion is great then so are the hindus
