The Minister is Justified.The temple trust had no rights to Insult him publicly.Time again we have seen that no individual is inferior to other.Each varna has its own job to do & respect each others job.We had a great tradition of doing so in past, but we stopped this & lead to rot of social order which lead us into slavery fo 1400 years,yet we do not realise that we should let go these stupid practices which are unjustified by any Shastra or Veda for that matter.These are all part of a political restructuring of soceity which has led us to our downfall.
RE:Minister is Justified
by Vas on Jun 05, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
So go tell your church to stop with the primitve practice of not allowing a catholic to marry a non-catholic in a church, and to not recognize such marriages as valid, unless the non-catholic partner converts. Isn't that a primitive, backward that the marriage of a christian to a non-christian is seen as not being valid by the church. Similarly, a christian cannot be buried in the church uunless he or she has formally been baptised? isn't that primitive? And the idea that one who has not been baptised (dunked in the water) is not a true christian, and will burn in the flames of hell - is that not primitive?
The same is true of muslims - a muslim cannot marry a non-muslim unless the non-msulim partner converts to islam. Isn't this outright discrimination?
So, get to work Mr. Anthony - you have plenty of work to do to reform christianity. Let the hindus solve their own problems. You go solve yours - there are plenty of issues in chrstianity bthat need attention/reformation!
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by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
Constitution has created a federal structure called state & rules to govern it called laws.So we need to understand that as a civil soceity this is absolutely uncalled for that by Law if a person is Hindu you purify a temple to insult him.Moreover I was not talking of Christianity or Hinduism, I was talking of Soceity & Nation as a whole.
RE:Minister is Justified
by Vas on Jun 05, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Denying the marriage of a chrsitian to non-christian is NOT an insult to the marriage partners and their families? The purification is THAT particular temple's rule - not all temples follow that practice. ALL churches on the other hand will not allow a church wedding for christian marrying a non-christian, unless the nonchristian has been formally conveted. Is THAT NOT an insult?
You worry about the state of nation because of the practices of a few temples in India, but are not concerned about the fate of the country by the discriminatory practices of ALL the churches in India.
Thank you for showing yourself up to be a biased christian.
RE:Minister is Justified
by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 05:34 PM Permalink
So who's Praising/advocating those practices.I do not practice that kind of discrimination in my life.I believe in follwoing best practices of all good books & I find the constitution to be the best book(not those stupid ammendments carried out by crooked politicians).Is that worng?If no, then YES I am biased towards a constitution & no harm done to you by I being a christian.
RE:Minister is Justified
by on Jun 06, 2007 06:53 AM Permalink
but you are tottally wrong!
This is just a publicity stunt by Minister... he is a dirty politician.. we all know that in kerala.. Look at his interview.. he is a mindless guy.. what ever he compares to hinduism doesn;t make sense.. he has no clue what he is talking about..
I did not understand how our traditions led us to 1400 years of slavery.
I thought barbarians came here to plunder the rich and prosperous Indian society.
I thought Columbus, Vasco da Gama and several others were dying to find sea routes to India, because India at that time was equivalent to today's India.
I did not understand how our traditions led us to 1400 years of slavery.
I thought barbarians came here to plunder the rich and prosperous Indian society.
I thought Columbus, Vasco da Gama and several others were dying to find sea routes to India, because India at that time was equivalent to today's America.
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by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
You may not control someone els's intention but you can defend yourself.We as a soceity were divided hence enslaving us became an easy task.I have already said in my first comment that these divisions led to our downfall, so in principle I agree to you claim that yes we were a very prosperous Nation.
RE:Minister is Justified
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Mr Antony, Often missionaries hide their hate by subscribing to a missionary/utilatirian/colonial view of 18th century that it was inevitable that India needed to be colonized and civilized. These people have different opinions on other regions, where they find bravery, sacrifice, defense etc.
The downfall is because of attack by the invaders.
RE:Minister is Justified
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
You got to read what they did to native systems. How they used their power to instigate people against native systems, links among native languages.... and used outdated european ideas to trash india.
RE:Minister is Justified
by George Abraham on Jun 05, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
I heard that they are against native systems such as 'sati','untouchability',etc. They have done a lot of service not only to the people but also to Indian languages. Have you heard of "Constantino Joseph Besky" who changed his name to "Veerama Munivar" due to his love towards Tamil lanaguage? Do you know that missionaries have done literature work in Tamil language? Have you heard of missionaries who fought against untouchability that prevailed in the then Travancore kingdom? Do you know how many schools were run by missionaries due to which many people including hindus become literates? Do you know most of the churches were run as schools in weekdays? Do you know upper-caste people did not allow women of so-called low-caste to wear decent dresses? Brahmins like you can never understand this instead you guys will simply blame that missionaries are converting, converting. Whatever you think, we are second to none only because of christian missionaries. Wherever missionaries serviced there you can see less litteracy rate. Education is the greatest service one can do to the human beings. Unfortunately that was not done by then educated brahmins but fortunately we got it through missionaries. We are always greatful to missionaries. They are next to God.
RE:Minister is Justified
by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Well Mr. Narayan I agree that invaders attacked us.Remember that Britishers could not win because they were a superior force neither could moghuls rule because of a huge Military, It was all because we were divided.These imperial forces fanned those fissures & hardened them to the extent that a weak soceity was formed & then subjugation & ruling/exploitation was always easy.As far as missionaries are concerned I am very well aware what they do.There aim anyway is worldwide Proselytisation, so least talked about them better it is.I may be a Christian & Keralite but I am not a marxist turn blind eye to the culture of my land.I understand that whatever I am,is due to motherland & its grace.So take my arguments in proper perspective.I am just trying to convey the unecessarily intorduced inequality is killing this nation.
Hindus are greatest enemy of their religion. No other community come up with as much a contravorsy as in this religion, be it in the name of religion, caste. Only this community is dragged/focused into limelight in a bad way, while others do not even cover the headlines . Any critisism is levelled against hinduism only. The so called guardians of hinduism are themselevs showing their religion in a bad light. These matters can be resolved in the community itself than politicalising it. All religions follow their own custom and rituals in their own sense then why only hinduism is tragetted? If it is conversion or any caste issues Hinduism is blamed. Do not blame the religion, no religion preaches discrimation it is only the practice. All religions has its own draw back which has gone unseen rather not reported since the issues are solved between themselves.Then only why hindus and hinduism go public, because hindus have no repsect for their own religion and lack of unity among themselves. Blame it on the followers and not the religion. As I have seen some criticise their own religion being a part of it, which is an utter shame. Let them come forward and bring in changes acceptable to everyone and not make contravorsy. Hindusim is a flexible religion it has adopted many changes from its pre -historic period, advocates of hinduism must realise that we have to change according to time which hinduism has done sofar. Hindu temples have in no way kept out non - hindus. The no
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by on Jun 06, 2007 06:59 AM Permalink
look at his wife's joke... she thinks her husband's community's only job is to see what v. Ravi and his wife is doing.. :) mindless creatures..
entering the temple it self is not accepted gy god .how can god accept him as adima. Is this adima is for cleaning and washing the place after the visit of some low cast people you mean.
RE:Hindus need to be matured and resolve all type of social issues...
by George Abraham on Jun 05, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Christianity does not tell any one to throw someone who is black. Christianity does not support slavery. Christianity does not tell any one to torture people. Christianity does not tell any one to torture asians. Religion cannot take responsibility for the mistakes made by some cruel humans. A true christian never do such kind of cruelties. It is only those who have a label 'christian' but do not follow it sincerely are doing these sort of ugly things.
Christianity belives non-violence. Jesus Christ never went for war nor did he torture any one. But the problem in hinduism is that disrimination based on caste is written in the religious texts and so is given some authentication. But in christianity all are equal. Any one can enter the church for worshipping. No one can stop a non-christian to enter the church for worshipping.
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by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 05, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Did you read those Hindu religious texts? For your kind information, Hindu religious texts also do not support the caste system of today? The Hindu religious texts had a "varna" system, which is purely an indicator of spiritual progress. It is neither inherited by birth from parents nor does it have anything to do with one's profession. It is purely spiritual. According to that EVERYONE is a sudra at birth (lowest level of spiritual progress). A son of a brahmin is not a brahmin, but a sudra.
So, please do not mix up things. The "varna" system mentioned in religious texts has nothing to do with the caste system practised in the society.
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by George Abraham on Jun 05, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
What do you mean by sudra? Why every new born is to be considered as sudra?
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by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 05, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
There are four levels of spiritual progress. The lowest level is called "sudra". At birth, everyone is at the lowest level of spiritual progrtess - the sudra level. "Janmanaa jaayathe sudra". As we mature spiritually, our varna increases to the highest level, which is "Brahmana". Do not look at the terms "sudra" and "brahmana" with today's poisonous meanings. In those days, they were simple words, which conveyed a person's spiritual progress, nothing more.
A "brahmana" is considered to be a "dwija" - twice-born. When you reach the highest level of progress, you look at the world in a totally different way. Everything is God to you. It is as though you have taken a second birth in this world.
It is just like starting from LKG, completing schooling, graduation, post-graduation and so on - the different levels of education.
Similarly, the different levels of spiritual progress.
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by Rajan George on Jun 05, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
Jesus tought and preached against the arogance of Jews during His ministry.
RE:Hindus need to be matured and resolve all type of social issues...
by ramprasad on Jun 05, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
Rashmi. Dont conclude hinduism believes in non violence because the religion teaches the principle from maha bharatha. is it non violance. it teaches from ramayana un believing wife and putting her to test. is it non violance. in your openion what violance mean.
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by Rashmi on Jun 05, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
Hindus believe in NonViolence. That is why India being in a third world is a democratic country. Here people with different language, food habit, culture, tradition live amicably.
It is possible because Hindus are in majority here in India.
You may show some examples telling about terrorism in some states, but the truth is they are anti-socials, get helps from our enemies and they can never disintegrate India.
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by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
The Modern rootless hindu( London Tanntrik) would dhut his door if informed that stalinists banned the cult of self organization, which is pretty close to Indian thought. It is different than many a political science.
