There are two ways...throw politicians like arjun singh out of country, like what pakistan did by barring sharif and bhutto, and stop buying/importing gandhi's.
One or two Gandhi's (read gandhi original and version 1)were good for our country and certainly we don't need any more free lancers gandhi around like Sonia.
Any country should care its under previleged citizens by encouraging their itegration in the main stream . This can not be acheived by offering Reservation as a solution in a country with population over 1 billion.
The policy makers have one and only one agenda..divide the socities and the country at large only to their shame and they don't have any shame left doing this over and over again.
Best is to establish a system in place which offers free quality eduaction and tailor made loans available to financially backwards and wipe the caste out of it. Otherwise be prepared for many more clashes in future between socities like gujjars-mennas.
Look how Vikram Akula is making a good name by reaching out to the needful.
Please correct me if am wrong, Now, India seek Permanent membership in UN, India is considered and she is one of the fastest growing economy in the World.
India - China is now called Chindia, IC- Referred as Intgrated Chips (But popular in IT circle as India - China).
Let me educated people, go with a broad mind, our people(Backward and the Underprivilideged) are utilized by the Congress Govt. from the time we got freedom, Gandhi (Precisely, they have no authority to use our Mahatma's name) Italian Sonia want to do the divide in rule as its now happening in her own Country Italy.
We divide reservations purely on economic conditions:
1. Your Net Income Over 20 Lacs - OBC 2. 10-20 Lacs - BC 3. 5 - 10 Lacs - MBC 4. 2.5-5 - SC 5. Others ST
I read a news a Student(Son of a Barber) topped District 3rd, he still works in the barber shop, but talented...
We do have Iyes and Iyengars with reveue less than 1000 Rs a Month, but they are shunned.... Lets India be ONE INDIA and TEAM INDIA, If Team India can have Irfan, Dravid, Ganguly, Patel, etc., If Indian Polticial guys can have all (Ganapati, Jesus, Allah) why not we people... Shun our HRD Minister and bring light to our Nation!
Long Live Mother India!!! She would really white wash those culprits behind this Rajashthan issue
RE:Congress Playing its Card in BJP Ruled States - Courtesy HRD Minister
by Ajay on Jun 03, 2007 02:00 AM Permalink
and btw how would you measure real incomes....surely people will present deflated incomes. Backwardness is not only about being poor...its more about socio-cultural backwardness... but really i couldnt get your message...Either you are too drunk or you suffer from Opto-Mania ( okay, you seem Maniacally Optimistic) Lolz....
RE:Congress Playing its Card in BJP Ruled States - Courtesy HRD Minister
by Putrayasa on Jun 03, 2007 05:39 AM Permalink
See the point underlining Suresh Vijayan posting, it is genuinely true. Wipe out castist, unity of all Hindus. Only Hindu unity in India is feared by non Hindus. Unite under one umbrela such as BJP. Of course it is not only Arya Samaj, every genuine Vedic learner, school and movement know that the The Vedas opose birth based caste system. Bring India back to its glory through her pristine vedic tradition. No caste based reservation.
RE:Congress Playing its Card in BJP Ruled States - Courtesy HRD Minister
by Sanjeev Verma on Jun 03, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
I think that we should all change our surnames to "Arya". We have to forget caste system if we want to see our country as a superpower. It is really disgusting to see that even educated Indians believe in caste sysem. You have to just go through the matrimonial coloumns of major newspapers to confirm this. We should boycott newspapers that publish such matrimonial advertisements.
I think that caste system is number 1 enemy of Vedic Faith. Maharishi Dayanand had proved beyond doubt through religious debates that birth-based caste system was never a part of Vedic teachings. Caste system was used by Hindu priests to exploit poor people for thousand of years. Ignorant have always been exploited by so called custodians of religion. It is true with every religion in one form or the other. Currently, Islam has been hijacked by its custodians by taking the name of Jihad to kill lot of innocents around the world. Time has come for Hindus to go back to true Vedic Religion by joining Aryasamaj Movement.
Read following article from Swami Agnivesh-especially on "Caste system Disorder":
More Quotas will breed more dissatisfaction. The people who have quota have all the priviledge, those who dont will have to compete/fight and may still be left in poverty.
28 !!!!..... when survey was done to determine the status of gurjars in Rajasthan, In 28 out of 32 districts in Rajasthan, DISTRICT COLLECTORS REPORTED THAT GURJARS DO NOT FULFILL CRITERIA FOR ST STATUS( out of remaining 4, 2 reports are yet to be prepared and only 2 have ambiguous positive intent)...THEREFORE THEY CANNOT BE GRANTED ST STATUS... Thus this entire Agitation hovers around ILLEGITIMATE DEMAND... And the means to enforce it thru blockade and arson of public and private property is shocking.
THEY ALREADY ENJOY OBC STATUS... THE BLATANT ARSON & VIOLENCE THEY HAVE UNLEASHED ON HAPLESS PEOPLE OF RAJASTHAN IS ABSOLUTELY CONDEMNABLE AND MUST BE OPPOSED. THEY HAVE PUSHED A PEACEFUL STATE INTO TOTAL CHAOS.
RE:ILLEGITIMATE DEMAND
by s s on Jun 03, 2007 01:30 AM Permalink
According to the reports, the violence isnt one-sided. So, its not right to condemn the Gujjars alone. The root cause is the Quota Law which grants privilege to some and poverty to others. Getting rid of Quota Raj is the only solution.
RE:ILLEGITIMATE DEMAND
by Ajay on Jun 03, 2007 01:40 AM Permalink
All the arson that has happened here has been caused by the gujjars....the clashes between the two communities occured only when the other community went to remove the unfair blockade. this blockade has caused severe hardship to all people. you have to be here to understand what we are experiencing. I agree about your quota law opinion...along with that i wish we could also get rid of the bloody politicans..THE real root cause !!
RE:ILLEGITIMATE DEMAND
by Bhupinder Singh on Jun 03, 2007 05:48 AM Permalink
gujjar have not right to make other people life hell, they should protest in peace ful way ,, raod ,train blockage for symblolic is ok, otherwise for long days, gujjar has tobeevicted from dharna, blocking raod , making poor poeple,farmar life, miserable,, it is not good for gujjar othere jatt, rajput rise, they will not give you change to put up lunngi on their body,,, do all thing peacefuly,go to delhi, sit on dharna on big vacant ground,,the patience of people are running out,, gujjar will be running for his safty,, they are already in obc,,,
RE:ILLEGITIMATE DEMAND
by BannedMike Jordan on Jun 03, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
This is a conspiracy of upper caste hindus to create tension between lower castes to eliminate reservation.
BJP will not succeed and brahmins will get their punishment soon for dividing lower castes and trying to rule India.
RE:RE:Join Aryasamaj and take to message of Maharishi Dayanand to masses
by Sanjeev Verma on Jun 03, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
I am sure thata you will agree that verses in Manu Smriti supporting birth-based caste system were not introduced by politicians. Hindu priests were responsible. Maharishi Dayanand in his book "Satyarth Prakash" has shown many contradictions in Manu Smriti and other books. Obviously someone had tampered with these books in the past.
Its highly disheartening to know that nearly 30 people had been killed until now, just owing to an illogical fight. People does not have value for people nowadays. They have value only for money. How dare they kill people, aron Rail Way Station, damage buses and etc., The Govt is now talking to them and not reacting to this atrocities. Whoever it may be, whether its BJP or congress or any bull shit, who is ruling the state must have given first priority in containing the violence and then talk to earn votes. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This clearly shows, the Reservation Policy has just now started igniting. In 1970's the media and communication channels weren't so good that others from far of places from the spots of violence will come to know a bit late or wouldn't come to know at all. But now, everything is LIVE FED. Taking this advantage all the "Caste" groups might have started planning already. So, every other Caste in India will start asking for "SC/ST" status, trying to achieve by force. God save India. The governments will not do anything against them, fearing their votes. So, anybody can be violent and commit all atrocities, and never a case will be registered. Good. Its the way to go. Only people who are really working for living and struggling hard for their lives will be taken for a ride, both by the government and police. This is democracy at the peak.
Only GOD can save India from this. Others (Rulers) are not interested in doing so.
RE:Disheartening.......
by BannedMike Jordan on Jun 03, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
Lower caste people have been terrorized for long by Brahmins and other upper castes for thousands of years.
RE:Disheartening.......
by Sanjeev Verma on Jun 03, 2007 01:00 AM Permalink
Aryasamaj is a 125 year old spiritual/social movement and its goal is to reform Hindu religion. There is nothing wrong in making aware people of his message. Idolatory and birth-based caste system was never part of Vedic religion. I see brith-based caste system as the major problem and only Arya Samaj provides the answer to this question. Please read Swami Agnivesh's article on this issue
RE:Disheartening.......
by Sanjeev Verma on Jun 03, 2007 01:34 AM Permalink
Please read "Satyarath Prakash" by Maharishi Dayanand and then you will understand how Hindu priests exploited poor people for centuries.
Your message also negates the myth that Hindu religion is a tolerant religion. Maharishi Dayanand was poisoned to death in 19th century since orthodox Hindu priests could not win in religious debates with Maharishi.
Do you know that well-known Yoga Guru Baba Ramdev is an Arya Samaji? He also talks against caste system and idolatory in his discourses. Lala Lajpat Rai,a well-known freedom-fighter, was also an Arya Samaji.
I do not understand that why you are so much offended by my post. Arya Samaj is only against evils in Hindu society:Idol Worship, Caste System, Superstitions. I hope that one day every Hindu will come back to true Vedic religion.
RE:Disheartening.......
by Augustine Alemcherry on Jun 03, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
Yours is the only message in entire rediff board that doesnt spread hate, doesnt divide the people based on caste, religion, state, language or any barrier. Long live spam.
Current conditions have raised a big question "Is India a secular state?". A statement that has been tought to the students since many years in their educational books. Can Govt. of Rajasthan answer this Question?
A perfect decision imposed in Rajasthan. I think now this state requires some President Rule imposed. Current Government should be ruled out because instead of solving this problems they are increasing them for this bloody politics.
RE:Rajasthan govt MISULES
by deetee on Jun 03, 2007 12:49 AM Permalink
yes sack this govt. then creat riots in GUj, Karnataka, MP, Uttranchal and dismiss the BJP government there too. Do all this so that we can take orders from Vatican and China soon. We should reject all our traditions and heritage and follow only Vatican and CHina. That is what people like Reji and Bahubali want to hell with these guys. Raje govt is doing the right thing. bhaskar chattopadhaya you should make your own website.
