You know what the saddest part of this forum is...
and beneath our skins we are all extremists....everyone is up and ready to hound each others religion, but nobody wants to talk peace.
Look at all my posts below, not 1 single soul to support my views....
Please take a look in your mirrors tomorrow morning and try to answer a query....
"What sort of world are we creating, what sort of world are we going to leave for our children, are we going to make the mistakes made by our forefathers worse and leave a world with violence, hatred and disgust for the next generation"
RE:saddest part of this forum....
by dev singh on Aug 01, 2007 12:35 AM Permalink
I always got the same answer from my inner self that all book based religions creates fanatics and destroys the basic human nature of reasoning. I am glad that I am from a land where the definition of religion is left to the individual and it is in true sense is way of life.
RE:saddest part of this forum....
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:15 AM Permalink
No abusing please. I can understand your frustration, but be peaceful and think silently... You will realise that this frustration has been caused by the seeds of hatred that have been implanted by corrupt politicians and leaders. Only to achieve their policies of Divide & Rule. just like the British did in undivided India.
RE:muslims know ur origin?
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 31, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
agreed most muslims are ancestorial hindus...the same way all hindus are ancestorial....pagans???
There is no logic in looking back.
Also if the mughals would have had used force then like the roman empire the whole of India would have become a muslim nation in a day...
We still today have only 14% muslims and 80% hindus.
RE:muslims know ur origin?
by srikanth bhadra on Aug 01, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
auragazeb tried to use force he dint last long, if earlier mughals have tried that, they to have met similar fate, there is no use in drawing logic ull find some one otherside.
RE:RE:muslims know ur origin?
by adfasd asdasd on Aug 01, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
we are talking purely about history here now....and please do not bring religion in here...
but Aurangzeb ruled till he was more than 90....and died of natural causes. I do not justify his acts but that is a fact
RE:muslims know ur origin?
by hujintao on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
der was greatt leader called sivaji thts y auranazed failed in his mission lolz..... any muslims go back aroung 5-6 generation back u wil find ur real colour lolz
RE:muslims know ur origin?
by hujintao on Aug 01, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
u forget abt vijayanagara empire who r the first to realise abt hindutva and hidustan from karanataka.... bcoz of all those u mentioned and i mentined india survived mrom islamization but still fact is fact indian muslims are not sacred as they think and they should live as a second class cityzens in india lolz bcoz inida is already divided on the basis of religions india is for hindus and no one can question hindu sovereity and all terrorist are muslims y??????????????
RE:muslims know ur origin?
by adfasd asdasd on Aug 01, 2007 12:15 AM Permalink
Yes if you want to bring in partition to justify your arguments, then it becomes another story altogether.
I still do not think of India as a divided nation. I still like to think of Pakistan and Bangladesh as part of India. I think Jinnah and Nehru made mistakes that our generation is paying for.
If you want your next generation to pay for what you are doing today then you are welcome to continue on their path
Of course there is difference between an act of terrorism and rioting. The riots were started by Radhabai Chawl incident where 6 hindus were roasted alive in the chawl by a mob of muslims (just like Godhra). This triggered rioting. But the 11 muslim accused in Radhabai chawl case were acquitted due to their perceived grudge of disputed structure demolition. So, if these 11 muslims, who started rioting, were acquitted, govt. cannot possibly prosecute the rioters involved later. Sheela Bhat cannot bring this fact to light, is she a paid Saudi agent?
To Hindus, I suggest read history of every event that is highlighted by media, you will understand how biased our media/secular establishment is against us. Vote to make yourself counted. To muslims, well, nothing....you cant change.
RE:riots ? radhabai chawl.....
by ssddssdd on Aug 01, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Did I talk of revenge ? The treatment of any disease is to acknowledge it first. I nowhere see muslims condemning terrorism whole-heartedly. Always there is some perceived injustice....How can there be any reason to bomb children ? Dont they have any themselves ? Coming back to revenge question, do you see Hindus avenging for Aurangzeb, Ghauri or direct action etc. Why cant we make it a grudge...so there is a basic difference between Hindu thinking and muslim ideology.
RE:riots ? radhabai chawl.....
by adfasd asdasd on Aug 01, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
I think you are an intelligent person, and also liked it when you said you never talked of revenge...
The way you think, there are thousands of muslims also who think that we should never talk of revenge. But they still justify the acts of terrorists, even bombing of a child (makes me sick to think off) by saying that there are many muslims kids who are killed and stabbed (which makes me sick as well).
So the moment you justify a hindu or a muslim extremist you become a part of the problem. The solution is for moderate voices from all communities to rise to such a crescendo that these extremist and misleading voices are drowned in them.
Let me know what you think of my plan for the betterment of our children, because it is they who will reap what we are sowing.
RE:RE:riots ? radhabai chawl.....
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:20 AM Permalink
Very well said, Sir. When we loose ur minds and tempers, we become a part of what we hate. Corrupt politics and Evil social leaders. Let us get together and fight these evils. Let us be on the look out for WANTED people. Let us inform the police, let us spread the word through the power of media. Email power is strong; use it well.
RE:riots ? radhabai chawl.....
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:16 AM Permalink
Do not scratch wounds of the past, my friend. You will only end up hrting everyone, including the ones you love. look into the future and have enough courage to fight corruption, poverty and bad people. Once your mind is strong, we will have a better country to live in.
RE:RE:conflict of interest
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
We are all Humans First and citizens next. Religion should not only be what is written in the books... coz our books have not been written by our Prophets. The books have been written by people who are not even known. Let us live as Humans... respect humans. Respect life. Respect a persons desire to live and to be happy. As long as a person does not interfere with the life and happiness of another, he is living a religious life.
RE:RE:RE:conflict of interest
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:36 AM Permalink
Very well written my friend. Visions of discontent have been planted in our minds and hearts by evil people. Let us be humans First and treat everyone as we would expect to be treated. Peace and Happiness to all - we deserve it. Life is so short for making 1000 friends; Why waste time in making an enemy? It is not worth it.
RE:conflict of interest
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
Thats the trap that most of us fall in my friend...
The foot soldiers of the blasts were basically Indians (including memon and Dawood) but the masterminds was Pakistan's ISI. Dawood and company could never have pulled this off if it were not for the support, training and financing of ISI.
So this was not a religious backlash but a calculated destruction wrought by ISI. Any muslim who fails to see this is misguided and any hindu who doesnt understand this is blind.
RE:RE:conflict of interest
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:30 AM Permalink
You are right. These guys are being used by others of high positions to achieve their own motives and they feel they are the kings.. Let us all pray to God to give them some sense and sensibility. HELP THEM GOD.
RE:conflict of interest
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 31, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
Very correct my friend...
But in order to prove that the mullahs and muslim leaders are wrong we need more hindu and christian brothers come forward and criticise extremists from their community...
basically we need sane voices from all communities to come forward and drown the extremists voices in our logic and arguments
RE:conflict of interest
by on Aug 01, 2007 01:26 AM Permalink
I,very truly, agree with you. So-called Religious-Leaders are the ones who plant seeds of discontent in our minds and hearts through preachings in the name of religion.
I dont know why everyone is claiming this as wrong justice. On the contrary we should be proud that justice is done atlast. I am sure Sanjay Dutt was a game to some master planners, they used him to divert media attention from them. But Sanjay Dutt was not a baby, he was a matured adult and he played party to such an henious crime which changed the entire glamour of Bombay. All applause to Justice Kode and Ujwal Nikkam, they have lived most of their life in this case. Being straight in this corrupt world is not all that easy and these two have proved their mettle. Yakub Memon helped the IB, so whats the big deal. He did so, coz he tgt he will be pardoned. But he was one of the main conspirator and death befits his deeds. Crime in any form should be punished and thats what has been done today.
RE:Funny cartoons and funny information
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 31, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
google more my friend...
you will find such links on all religions and religious icons...
which have been convoluted and presented in a way to misinform and generate hatred against a religion...
I sincerely request please ignore such hate filled web pages.. else this world will degenerate in a hell for all of us, which our children will have to face.
RE:Funny cartoons and funny information
by Gazanfar Z Azmi on Jul 31, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
ANYONE CAN HAVE THEIR SITE MADE FOR HATRED AGAINST OTHERS. THESE GUYUS ARE HINDU FOLLOWERS OF OOSAMA AND THEY MAKE SITE LIKE THIS
RE:Funny cartoons and funny information
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 31, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
You are partly right....
you will find many sites that also show Hinduism and Christianity as demonic religions...
who do you think made those sites..fanatic muslims???? i dont want to call them Islamics, since Islam doesnt even allow you to talk about some persons weaknesses, let alone slinging mud on another religion.
RE:Funny cartoons and funny information
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
think again my friend...i can prove that no religion is aggresive...but many followers of religion are...
Hinduism - oldest religion- Right from the Mahabharata/ramayana/to all the stories about the fights between gods and between gods and asuras.. etc
Christianity- i dont think you must have heard of the crusades, which were one of the most barbaric and violent events in hostory
Muslims - Many muslim conquerors including aurangzeb etc were brutal and violent.
Now please dont paste any verses from the Quran here, as you must read all the verses in its context and should also understand some of the verses which talk only about peace, patriotism and all such things as most religions do
RE:cheap mentality of muslims
by Bon Jovi on Jul 31, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
its now u pretending and gettin ur frustration out just becoz sanjay dutt is sentenced!go get some life!Muslims are terrorists coz ur a menace!and have to deal with ur bloody agenda with strong hands! dawood killed 257 Modi 2000 indira 2000 both are revered as some icons!if u have killers as ur icons then expect the muslims do the same!
RE:RE:cheap mentality of muslims
by sri kanth on Jul 31, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
what abt those killed by islamic rulers n who destroyed 100s of temples , in indian history only one masjid was destroyed if we really wanna gave it back all masjid in india must be destroyed lolz
its very shocking to see how tada court give sajay the judegement, this guy was being under mental trama for the past 14 years again he is been tourn apart.Let the honurable judge give a order to capture DAWOOD and Tiger alive within a timee...why?? he is not doing it b'cause he knows he cant do it. Sanjay did something wrong and he payed for it heaviely. Even the people who suffered the blast justice is denied. Every thing in this is changed in this 14 years.OUR JUDICARY has always denied the arrest of big DONS.GOD BLESS INDIA
RE:justice delayed justice denied
by ashu on Jul 31, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
you should be happy that atleast Sanjay dutt has been sentenced otherwise every indian would have thougt that the high profile people can escape easily as in BMW, jessica lall and other cases. I have full symapathy with SD but what he has done he should pay for that.
RE:justice delayed justice denied
by Sanjay Dinkar Jamdade on Aug 01, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
Who told you that the honorable judge has not given such an order?
At least be conversant with what's going on in Indian courts before you write. A judge can only judge to the extent of the law made by the parliament, not any home made imaginary laws.
Don't expect a policeman to be a fireman and a Judge to be Barber!
Just like Osama who does exactly what is there in the scriptures not a word more not a word less so does the honorable judge. Just like it is in the law book.
