RE:Terrorist Supporters are equally guilty
by seventh sun on Aug 01, 2007 05:54 PM Permalink
thats a great observation !! Its time we kill off all terrorism in India...Enough is Enough
It is unfortunate that in our "democratic" country any word against against any person for any illegal activity becomes a problem if that person is a "Muslim" then entire outcry is that he/she has been victimzed. I just dont get it , terrorists are terrorists they have no religion/nationality they are just inhuman savage people. I still see some people talking about Srikrishna commision and riots in Mumbai, yes the culprits have to be punished but how many of these posters actually know what has happened. I stayed in Mumbai that time and the riots started in a pre-dominantly Muslim area and were started by people belonging to Muslim community, have seen and experienced this first hand. Later others just got into a revenge mode and other innocent people just because they were Muslims got killed. But the fact is that there were killings of both Hindus and Muslims. Its a classic case of Muslims and secular people shouting injustice whenever something wrong is found out about them. The same thing happened in Godhra riots too, why is it that only Hindus riots are highlighted. What would have happened if Hindus would have done such bomb blasts in Muslim area, by now the entire Secular,Human rights,Americans would have probably banned all Hindus from world. Its not that all Hindus are good or all Muslims are bad, there are bad people all over in every religion and they need to be punished fast, Muslims have to give up the mentality that they are being victimized, far from it India
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by on Aug 01, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
That is right, Secular brigade in Indian Media and Politics has taken on itself to protect and support Islamist terrorists, as if these are some extinct species.
Our politicians spend sleepless nights for the plight of under detention terrorists, media build them into greater gods.
I may tell you three points, why it is so:
1. Media sucks for TRP in Pak and Muslim world.
2. Politicians believe they can not survive in power without support of Muslim community, which is a misnomer.
3. Part of Mumbai Film industry is only concerned for its expanding market in dubious Dubai & Pakistan, and they are taking all legal and illegal recourse to meet this objective.
All know that this part of Mumbai film industry is largely funded by gangsters of Islamic world.
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by viqar ali on Aug 01, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
Now here comes another self proclaimed 'Sincere Citizen' who thinks he knows everything about what is happening in our country. Dude, wake up.. What are you writing ? "What would have happened if Hindus would have done such bomb blasts in Muslim area, by now the entire Secular,Human rights,Americans would have probably banned all Hindus from world.". Did you forget already the bomb blast which took place at a mosque in Patna just an Year ago(2006 news), that too on a Friday when all the Muslims gather for special prayers ? Did you forget already the bomb blast which took place in Mecca Masjid of Hyderabad 4 months ago !! Do you not know how the Babri Masjid massacre started altogether ? You are also nothing but another biased individual who wants to highlight the wrongs among the minorities. Do you think you are doing any good by writing in a polished way such content which is only partly correct ? The truth is that you dont know the complete truth. You tell me, Why will someone start crying as a victim ? Only if he feels that he is victimised right ? Face the truth, some events are triggered by muslims, some by Hindus, and some are politically motivated. But ultimately it ends up with a lot of life and property destruction. The magnitude of lives and property lost among the minorities is far far higher than that what the majorities suffer. Now that is the reason why you hear all those muslims and secular people shouting injustice. Think like a moral citizen and try to do
RE:RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by Viq on Aug 01, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
something which is of more value to our country in entirety. Discussions on these topics as to who is better or who is superior does not yield any good. Neither does digging into the dark areas of our countries history do any good to any of us. Let us be good knowledged citizens and try and achieve bigger goals for our countries prosperity rather than blaming each other.
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by Sincere Citizen on Aug 02, 2007 12:00 PM Permalink
Dude you wake up ? none of those bomb blasts you mentioned have been done by Hindus. And dude you can lie as much as you like about Mumbai riots but I have been a victim of those riots so I know better who started it, so stop lying to protect your kin. I know how the Babri masjid riots started, in fact do you know that before Muslims invaded this country their were NO MOSQUES/MASJIDS in this country. If Hindus have to get pissed off about all Temples desecrated there wont be a single Masjid/Mosque/Kabar existing in this country, so stop showing your non-existent knowledge. I already mentione that events may be triggered by anyone and terrorists have no religion but the fact is most of violence , killing, bombing somehow goes to links to terrorists under Islamic banner, thats why Muslims are blamed, simple. If Muslims just start critisczing all forms of terrorism, including Kashmir violence etc. there wont be such problems. When any person is caught and convicted for crime how come people of other religion dont crib, its only Muslims who cry "victims". Read the news, daily hudreds of people get caught,convicted for various crimes from different religios faiths but never have I seen a Hindu trying to protect another murderer who is also a Hindu. Magnitude of life and property loss for minotrities ?? Excuse me where do you get your stats from ?? I could claim otherwise, infact just see some of the news sites that will document cost of Islamic terrorism to the whole world, look
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by Viq on Aug 02, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
Your explainations are all beyond logic and reasoning. If a bomb blast occurs in a temple it is done by Muslims, if a bomb explodes in a mosque then also you claim that it is done by Muslims. You know, people like you are the biggest problem, first of all you collect information from one way biased media sources, and then you write things out of context. Ofcourse it is true that the magnitude of life and property loss for minorities is more, whether it be Gujarat or Mumbai or any other city of India. Do you know that still there are more than a 1000 people missing in Gujarat after the riots ? yes, more than 1000 peoplea are still in 'Missing' list. You will never accept the truth. Do you really know how the babri masjid problem started in 1992 ? Explain me how. The truth is that the demolition of the masjid in december 92 triggered off the worst riots of independant India, even the mumbai riots were a follow-on of the demolition of babri masjid. You are crazy man, the muslim invasion of india happened 500 years ago, those were different times, altogether a different system existed then. So how does that justify the demolition of mosques now ? in these modern times where Civilized societies exist ? In that case if you go another 1000 years back, the temples did not exist either. Its a pity that it is very easy to misguide even educated people like you. Already there is a lot of venom filled in your brains. i dont think you have any muslim friends either. Do you ? Keep your
RE:RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by Viq on Aug 02, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
views open, see us also as good citizens of this country and try to be friends with us. You will realize that afterall we are not as bad as you think we are..
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by ramaswamy shankar on Aug 01, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
Hello,first of all let us u/stand that muslim is human being,hindu is human being and so men of every is human.But the problem is when think like political than we forget that all are human.Violence from any quarter should be treated equally but the muslim community should realise that the problem is that the community is at crossroads with men like Mr.D and Osama and their interpretation one side and the mute intelegentsia on the other side makes the people come out with such opinion although it might be biased and unwarranted.It is guys like should stand up and clear the doubts in the mind of your community and others.
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by MeyyappanSPAL on Aug 01, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
Whenever a muslim faces hurdles in India, they try to play the religious card saying that they are being victimised. What the Senior Citizen says is true. How many muslims in India have stood up and said that pakistan should stop terrorism or that Dawood Ibrahim is bad and should stop his anti-India activities. Will you do it? You are writing for your community. We are writing for ours. We are secular too. Only you can't see us being secular, because you believe we are not secular until India comes under Islamic rule. First open your eyes and see India being secular. Then write comments.
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by Akram on Aug 01, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
meyyappan( truth teller)you should understand that muslims in india could also have a rally raising voice against pakistan and handover dawood as others do for protesting. it is the dramabazi opted by politicians and in following by many other.
please note muslims also involved in the war against pakistan either it is kargil or prior to it. A film was made ( Shootout at Lokhandwala) on the life of muslim police commissioner who played a role in eliminating members of underworld.Also muslims stood shoulder to shoulder with hindus in freedom fighting, if you have read history i believe you would have came across that.
now listen the truth about your Nattukoottai chettiar community.
1) prior to british rule the coramandel sea trade was dominated by a community, since they are against British they are systemataically eliminated from the trade. In their place Chettiars were patronized by British for their loyalty towards the union jack.
2) Chettiars were allowed to trade with their other colonies in Asia such as Burma. i.e were your community houses in Kanadukattan were build with timbers from Burma.
3) Chettiars never played any role in freedom fight, it is very clear that many people in your community posses SIR ( Raja Sir _____ chettiar), RAO BAHADUR. These titles were given to the person who were loyal to British.
finally being a muslims doesnt mean he in not patriotic towards nations, of course there could be some wolfs. But as a community like chettiar pat
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by Viq on Aug 01, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Hello Meyyappan, Ofcourse India a secular country !! Who told you that India is not a secular nation ? Did I ? India has the maximum diversity in terms of the faiths/religions which people follow, it has the maximum regional diversity, maximum diversity in the languages which are spoken, maximum cultural diversity and the list is endless. I can write pages on that and Iam proud to be an Indian. The problem is that whenever any muslim says that he is victimised or expresses his concern, a religious angle is brought into it and the entire view point of the subject changes. It appears that all the pleas hues and crys which come from Muslims fall on deaf ears. They may be many a times heard by everyone, but nothing is done. Problems start when peoples problems are not sorted. First you need to understand that root cause. After looking at most of the posts is several of such forums the one thing I can say right now is that even though many among the educated majorities are secular, when it comes to muslims most of them are still biased. Thats a pity and there doesnt seem to be a solution somewhere in the near future.
RE:The Muslim victim mentality
by seventh sun on Aug 01, 2007 05:59 PM Permalink
Thats a wonderful observation, you never hear ever any Muslim leader saying that Pakistan should stop terrorism. What they'll talk of is FREEDOM OF KASHMIR . To hell with them. they are the real perpetrators of the violence in India.
RE:lesson from verdicts
by Vishal Bhardwaj on Aug 01, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
A murder is a murder. The govt. in charge in Maharashtra was Congress when Riots happened; it's still in charge today; what has stooped them?? It's a fact that Muslims have been wagging tails in front of leadership which is busy currying favors with babudom & neta log; getting reservations & Haj subsidy rather education; et al.
If u want to go for real culprits of 93 riots; pl feel free to do so; but do not plead for mercy for terrorist because they are Muslims. anyhow Indian Muslims have a long consistent record of clapping from sidelines when Hindus get slaughtered; watch the exodus of laborers from Kashmir; any Mullah condemning it... No Chance.
RE:lesson from verdicts
by Akram on Aug 01, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
if condemning could solve all the problems then please count As a muslim i condemn the LET for it exoritation of labourers of other states from Kashmir.is the LET is exodus is confined to non-muslims or all are threatened.
by not implementing the recommendations of SRIKRISHNA COMMISSION Congress-NCP government is following the footsteps of SS-BJP "APPEASING HINDUS" but no body should question or talk about this.
a very famous dialogue in a film" By counting the wrongdoings of others your wrongdoing count will not go down"
RE:lesson from verdicts
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Aug 01, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
Mr. Akram, you seem to love the Shri Krishna commission report so much that you are forgetting the fact that in independent India thousands of such reports have not been implemented and/or accepted by governments. Why are you so much in love of only one report then? I need not mention the reason here. Problem with you and your community is that you trust or distrust the judiciary selectively. When it wasn't convenient for your community in Shahabano case, your community opposed SC judgement and forced then Congress gvernment to act against it. So, why can't Hindus force the government to scrap the Shrikrishna commission report. You see. The problem is started by unholy nexus between Congress and Muslims. Both of you have set such a horrible precedents in our so called secular country that it has now become kind of trap for you guys. You can't have it both ways my friend!
RE:RE:lesson from verdicts
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Aug 01, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
One mre think Mr. Akram, you seem to be a nice Indian Muslim but unfortunately, you can't think beyond muslim community. I had muslim roommate and he was VERY NICE person. So, its not that muslims are bad. Problem is, bad muslims make so much noise in your community that good muslims don't get a chance to say anything. So, you guys need to do something about this.
RE:lesson from verdicts
by Akram on Aug 02, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
So Shrikrishna commission should be scrapped and all the culprits involved in the riots should go free. That's the justice of the country, accepting your view on Shahbano case was it involved killing of thousands, is there any criminal activity involved in that case. The shahbano case is a civil case and riots is the matter of criminal proceedings.
Muslims personal law binds them only to their civil disputes, but the criminal law of the country is common to all.
A murderer is considred murderer whether he is a muslim,christian or hindu and punsihed under IPC law. But civil disputes were settled according to their personal religious laws.
I only wish to tell all my fellow Indians to keep their eyes and ears open round the clock if they have to save themselves and their dear ones from the clutches of these so called JEHADIS.. Only our vigilence can save us and our great nation .. The culprits of 93 Mumbai blasts have been brought to their right end and we should all collectively thank our immpartial judiciary to have the courage to call a spade a spade and teach all of them and us a lesson.. Long live the great Indian Judiciary...
RE:Lessons for us Indians
by Akram on Aug 01, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
as a muslim & fellow citizen i also would like to get your wishes. Hope you have read the last two para of the article,
when justice will done on those matters and the culprits will be brought to right end.then we could tell the world about our countries impartial judicary system and rule.
