Ok major. I am convinced. I have one q for you. Your expressions are quite good . Will you clarify one of my related query? Why do we have Nuks. To retaliate ...right? What wil be the grade of provocation when we will retaliate? and How much?
RE:Major Sassy
by Lotan Potan on Jul 28, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
Nukes are primarily for a deterrent. A deterrent means a capability that stops the enemy from attacking you because of the knowledge that you have fearsome ability to harm. Grade of provocation is simple, an attempted or actual nuclear attack, or solid evidence that a nuclear attack is imminent in very near future.
RE:Major Sassy
by H S on Jul 28, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
hi Shriniwas Deshpande You can have your own views as you are free. but sorry you are a very -ve minded proud indian. sorry for saying so. There cannot be some sort of levels or standards to retaliate. All depends upon situation. if there is some war between PAK and IND and Pak using nuk. IND will have all option open to use nuk as our PM's expressed to whole world. WHEN THERE IS WAR THERE IS WAR (an answer to than naval cheif in 1971 war by Late Indira Gandhi). All depends upon on situations. and most importantly this is an issue not to be debated at all.
RE:Major Sassy
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
I hold a balanced view. I feel we should have Nuks and should have policy related to its use and Express it bluntly
RE:Major Sassy
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
Did Kargil not happen after our nuk test. We may be having weapon but our reaction to various provocation shows that we may never react to any amount of provocation.
RE:Major Sassy
by on Jul 28, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
You are asking wrong question in wrong forum. Civil nuclear field you asking grade of provacation & retailiation?
RE:RE:Major Sassy
by Lotan Potan on Jul 28, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
It is a civil nuclear deal when India is retaining the right to reprocess US nuclear fuel and technology in its own way and also retaining the right to test more nuclear bombs. So the question is spot on.
RE:Major Sassy
by vikas sethi on Jul 28, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
Shrinavas, why do we have conventional weapons? To retaliate ...right? What will be the grade of provocation when we will retaliate? and How much?
RE:RE:Major Sassy
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
I Kargil we reacted after long time. We lost many precious lives just to regain what we had lost. So I don't agree when somebopdy says we have will to retaliate the hostile country so as to send it to stone age or Afrikan roots. We simply don't have any sort of deterrant
RE:RE:Major Sassy
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
I am trying to point out that we simply don't get provoked untill things are hopelessly against us. We don't react Sharply. We don't have system to react reflexly. Do we not need system which can take quick decisions especially with nuk hostile neighbours
RE:Trio
by Sathish N on Jul 28, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
Somehow I have a Gut feeling that the trio officer which struck the deal...don't know their job very well. what a dumb way to rationalize an argument.
RE:Trio
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
This is beacuse all facts never come in front of common public , they could be known to officers at helm. If their expression and behaviour is credible why not to have faith in them Mr Satish?
RE:Trio
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
This deal is not just about those three officers; in the back ground entire DAE and the political parties including BJP have all worked together to make it happen.
The 3 officers were the spear head. This was a very well handled operation.
RE:Trio
by vikas sethi on Jul 28, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
Yes. What was initiated by Atal Bihari Vajpayee was concluded by Manmohan Singh. But we must all appreciate the negotiating team for doing a very fine job. It may not satisfy all Indian Concerns but under the circumstances, it is the best we have.
RE:No nulear test by India
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
Somehow I have a Gut feeling that the trio officer which struck the deal...know their job very well. So let us accept the Deal with cheers
RE:No nulear test by India
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
America no said that sir please work on englees onlee and then may be you weel understand bhat ees being sad
RE:No nulear test by India
by Prem Prakash on Jul 28, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
sassy saab, bhat yoo understand by my post i daan't kno. but it iz kileear that this iz naat phorom this artikal. reeeed kilieer, i ooze 'also'. and i heard this yesterde on teebhee. and saary phor my englees.
In India RDX can be allowed by protectors of law just for few Silver bricks. Will we be able to protect the accumulated waste from passing on to hands of unwanted elements?
RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
In India RDX comes from Pakistan and not Indian sources; your logic is extremely flawed.
If folks want to get radio active material there is enough around already to get your hands on; what does the nuke deal do.
RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
I am proud Indian. So be relaxed .
Regarding the logic....It was our own Govt officials from Customs who allowed RDX to pass on just for some financial returns. ] I am worried about the integrity of the protectors of our law and order. Don't take it Personally Major
RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
I should not have expected you to understand sigh... let me spell it out for you.
The RDX originated in Pakistan; the Bombay blasts were planned by ISI, there is Nuclear material in Pakistan so if ISI wants it can send it to India through same means.
There is no correlation between Nuclear deal between India US and nuclear terrorism.
What you are doing is called Lahori logic. where sincs 2 < 10 and 3 < 10 => 2 == 3.
Of course if Pak tries that stunt we will probably bomb them back to their roots in Africa
RE:RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
Ok major. I am convinced. I have one q for you. Your expressions are quite good . Will you clarify one of my related query? Why do we have Nuks. To retaliate ...right? What wil be the grade of provocation when we will retaliate? and How much?
RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by vikas sethi on Jul 28, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
If we go by ur logic, we should not be venturing into anything bcoz there is a possibility of corruption or failure in every aspect of national as well as personal life.
My dear Shriniwas, A ship is always safe at the shores or in the dockyard but that is not what it is built for. Let us show more confidence and belief in our own country and in its abilities. We are a strong country and let us take on the world from a position of strength.
There may be some people of doubtful integrity but there are more people of integrity in the country too.
RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Jul 28, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
Please look at the huge area in US ..which is kept for keeping nuk waste. This nuk waste can be used to make dirty bombs. When we use nuk energy is used ...of course huge mount of waste is generated.
RE:RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
The nuke waste is from older generation of reactors the newer ones dont generate as much waste.
Stop posting irrelavent statments to scare people when you dont know the first things yourself.
RE:In US security for such installation could be tight
by nilanjan datta on Jul 28, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
India has impeccable record in countering nuclear proliferation . Inspite of achieving the nuclear status way back has sustained the programme in isolation so long. Few know the details and see how the technology and know how were kept secret from pilferage. ........ Jai Hind..........
America is not our trusted ally.We shouldnt get tainted with these kind of choclaty speech.Why we require nuclear energy. If we are badly needing it , cant we get it from other european countries.Onething i would like to say that whether u use atomic energy either constructive or non-constructive, the threat associated with it cant be ruled out.We have to look for alternatives like solar and tidal energy.We are having long coast @15000kms and throughout the day the sunlight is available. We have to find out the way to reap benefits from these sources.i hope my fellow indians also having the same thought.
RE:Dont take it for granted
by on Jul 28, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
For your understanding, world biggest coast people also didn't use solar. Why? It is not economical & the per wattage is low compared to Uranium.
RE:Dont take it for granted
by on Jul 28, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
To run a car, we need a foot ball ground solar panels. Plus installation & initial maintenance. Replacement after 10 years average life span.
RE:Dont take it for granted
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
We have not learnt to harness Solar and other non conventional energies efficently and cheaply yet; it will be few years before that it possible.
Even there we would need to collabarote with USA since they are the leaders in the field of solar tech. All the collaborations can happen only after strategic deals such as this are signed.
RE:Dont take it for granted
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
We should definetly look at all energy sources.
However no foregin power including Russia can supply us nuclear fuel and tech. since we are not part of NSG; and NSG wont accept us till US does; it is that simple to realize that US is defacto super power and we should work with it.
Even during the cold war USSR didnt have the balls to cross US and supply us with nuclear material
RE:Dont take it for granted
by vikas sethi on Jul 28, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
I agree in toto with Major. We must have access to all energy sources.
Without an agreement with US, no other country can supply to us. But after the agreement, India can buy from any of the NSG countries incld. Russia, China, Australia.
Please also keep in mind that the world is becoming more and more interdependent. No country incld. India & US can say that they are not dependent on the others.Ultimately your strength will determine the level of co - operation. And India is a strong country and is well moving in the right direction.
RE:Is it safe?
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
Various methods are possible; reprocessing and reburning the fuel is one way. Most of all India will try and master the thorium cycle which has very low waste generation. Lets hope BARC can productize the 3 step cycle ASAP
RE:Is it safe?
by TV Subramanyam on Jul 28, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
Do you have a choice? If you don't use nuclear feul for power the alternate is coal which will heat the globe faster and take us to that point of no return probably in our lifetime
Hello brothers, my question to you is this. Do you want to see India as a Muslim Majority country where Hindus are in minority one day? Please ask yourself honestly, Hindus have made this country prosperous with a lot of hardships, unlike other Islamic countries who are either destroyed or rich because of OIL, why do you guys want to take it away from us?
RE:QUESTION FOR MUSLIM BROHTERS
by Ethos K on Jul 28, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
Lotan Potan...dont post crap shit messages like u have done...its a secular country...and it will remain...just because of some shitty political parties who for their benefit make one Indian fight another...these parties will get rooted out oneday, wen people realise that they were taken for a ride...and we dont have wait till eternity for this day!!
RE:QUESTION FOR MUSLIM BROHTERS
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
I agree vote out congress; and their policies which create different rules for different people.
Even Babri Masjid locks were opened by Rajiv Gandhi
RE:RE:QUESTION FOR MUSLIM BROHTERS
by Lotan Potan on Jul 28, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
What do you mean by nonsense. When I ask my Muslim friends, even who are educated, none want to have less thatn 5 or 6 children? I ask why and they do not give me the reason, reason is understood. Hindus are majority now and hence we want to see India secular, but when Muslims are majority, then will India be secular? Yeah maybe as secular as Pakistan callas itself secular.
RE:QUESTION FOR MUSLIM BROHTERS
by on Jul 28, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
There is no majority or minority in India. Whatever it may be compensated by others like reservation etc. People can live side by side w/ their faith w/o disturbing others faith. That is the system we are adopting.
LONG LIVE USA USA IS THE SAVOUR OF PEACE ,, WHAT IT HAS DONE IN IRAQ AND AFGAN AND IRAN IS GOOD BUT NOW TIME HAS COME THAT USA ATTACK THE NUCLEAR BASE OF PAKISTAN ALSO BECAUSE PAKINTAN IS MOTHER OF TERRORISM AND IN THAT ATTACK ON PAKISTAN INDIA SHOULD HELP USA PROVIDING USA WITH AIRBASE AND FIGHTERS..
RE:GUYS USA POLICY TOWARD IRAQ AND AFGAN AND IRAN KOREA AND ARAB WORLD IS GOOD SUPPORT THE USA ,,, USA WHOLE INDIA SUPPORT U IN ALL THE MATTERS
by on Jul 28, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Are you a terrorist or supporter of terrorist. Why feeling sad when terrorism is getting wiped. Want to continue the terrorism business? During 911, USA didn't bomb Pakistan. Also to bomb pakistan, why you think it needs India help? You are coating lot of mismatched idologies trying to patch together, but it won't suit.
