Atlast Mohammed bhai M.B.B.S is set free. Our Honourable PM can now have a sound sleep. Mohammed bhai should be compensated . He can be asked to contest election from Bangalore and get elected unopposed.Then he should be given some plum ministerial post.He should be given atleast Rs.10,000000/- as pocket money.The place where his house is located should be re-named as Mohammed Haneefaabaad. To further the cause of secularism, the foisted charges on his martyred cousin Dr. Kafeel should be investigated properly. Kafeel is a gentleman . He did not have any hand in the Glasgow fiasco.As he is now in a different world in the company of 72 young homogametics who have XX chromosomes , he cannot be honoured in this world.Hence his family should be duly recognised.
To all those muslims who did not leave India at the time of partition...
"What was the attachment which held you here - Dont say it was patriotism... i would infer it as the fear of a different ambience which held an uncertain future. I can extend the same logic if you still say patriotism as the root cause - where was your belief after realising that your forefathers had been forcefully converted? Did you convert back?
Dont give crap answers like casteism, discrimination, untouchability... i can give answers to all your queries...
Casteism exists.. yes so does a hierarchy in corporates... for a society to flourish there must be a hierarchy.. but all as human beings are equal, the vedas or the scriptures does not say to the contrary...
Untouchability... i would not even today sit near a person who is unclean and filthy... agreed there was a problem in this area, but we have to correct it from within... if your child is going astray, would you abandon him for the neighbours???
Think muslims and convert back to the parent of all religions.. the Vedic way...
RE:Another query...
by J Singh on Jul 31, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
Seshardri, you should have gone to Pakistan at the time of Partition. This country could do well without fools like you. You seem to be quite well aware of the problems that exist within your own religion, but will do nothing to correct them. Instead, you will attack muslims, and accuse them of converting and abandoning a faith that did not work for them. Who are you to have a say in their choice of faith? What gives you the right to interfere in personal matters? Conversion is a matter of personal choice. If you do not wish to convert, then don't. As for your hatred and prejudice against others, you can dress it up in fancy names like caste and untouchability, and try and justify your institutionalised hatred, but it will always remain just that...Hatred. And remember that every time you discriminate against an Indian citizen, be he Untouchable, Low Caste, Muslim, Jain, Buddhist or Christian, you are Insulting this Nation, and committing an anti-national act. You are unpatriotic and you are not welcome in this country.
RE:RE:Another query...
by on Jul 29, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
why the converted muslims will again be converted.let them be muslims, a patritotic muslim like our ex prez.religion is a very personal thing. let it be personal.
RE:Another query...
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
Seshadri, i agree with evrything except the last point regd conversion......that is non -hindu way......leave it to moslims and xtians
The Aus govt. is not so naive to blindly investigate a person; there are suspicious circumstances that surround Haneef and hence the interrogation.
Diplomatic pressure has softened their modality, but the investigation continues. Muslim Indians back home are in the process of making a champion out of Haneef... no sweat, just wait still for the findings to become clear.
muslims take this as an oppurtunity to highlight the bias of the Aus govt. which is not entirely right. The perception of the average muslim is that they are hard core in their belief and any views against them would result in violence (that's how muslims respond in their views)... fatwas, jihad and the like.
Not encouraging if you are a muslim... i guess that's the way it is and muslim folks have to accept it. There are exceptions (exceptions are a norm in every category!), but the majority would fit the "average muslim" behaviour.
Also i see a lot of Hindu-muslim arguments and discussions going on... i would like to ask the muslims in this forum... "You speak of Mohammed and Allah and the like - before doing it, are you aware that it is the forceful conversion of your great great grandfathers from Hindus to muslims that you are thus? The balance would be a mixture of 1. muslims marrying Hindu ladies, 2. Rape victims of muslims and 3. muslims who settled here."
RE:Let the law take its own course
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Having given my reply get ready for one of the following 1. Report abuse 2. Even the hindus did the same. 3. This entirely wrong 4. U r extremst 5. Have u seen any of them. 6. How many ppl have u killed
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by fahimuddin khan on Jul 28, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
how many muslims you know?????? and what abt hindus having a GF despite of being married???? I know so many.
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
What do you want Se.. gal?? You tell what kind of punish appropiate for him!! Dont spread hatred accross the board!!We(Indian) hv lot of problem,unemployee,Garibi,Farmer sucide,dowri etc etc,why you dont talk about these proble,how to solve it???
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
How many Muslim's you hv to see more than one wife??? But I can see u many Hindu ppl from UP,Bihar,Rajashtan come to Mumbai,they hv one wife in their native village another in Mumbai!!
RE:RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
I think u know better!! If I ask you how many BH u had???
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
Now u r for personal attack...good and keep it up.....now how many names shd i give......whomever i know - u wont know them....
any way i wont prolong this ... this is out of disc and my sincere apologizes 2 u for deviating from the main topic.
Only cause Garibi!! You hv to see just few days back what happened in Pakistan? Musharraf announced 5000 Pak rs mean 3800 Indian rupees for leave the mosque!! Just think how's poor they are!! Do you know who goes to Madrassa for education ?? Who's did not get food in their house,parents send them to Madrassa!!And most of Madrassa running by rich's donate(Bank Int/Arabia's bank Interes)which called "SUD" & as on hadish SUD is haram but Madarassa's student using this money!!! You cant imagine how's poor these boys !! No one student in Madrassa from middle class/rich muslim family!! We cant blame to all Muslim for it,it's total failure our system!!
RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
But Kabeel Haneef 9/11 Atta etc. were rich and well educated? Why did they embrace terror?
RE:RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Pls ask them y?? They could say better!! I told which is fact & reality now yr wish u belive this senario or not!!
RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
And some devil take this advantage & make some student devil like them!!Becoz when they see lot of money at a time 50000-100000 or may be more!!They easyly hs been brain washed to see money!! It's fact !!
RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Yes I agree all should have access to good secular education that is the solution.
No different standards.
But Pakistan is a different case it encouraged extreme Islam against India now they are battling the devil they created.
RE:RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Pakistan is different dear!! I only given this example for reality??
RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
dont u think this garibi problem is mainly due to producing so many children just for the sake of increasing population so that they can strike their enemy at the appropriate time....it is this strategy that got islam so manu followers.
RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by fahimuddin khan on Jul 28, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
what abt lalu prasad yadav??? Is he a muslim???? how many muslims u know having so many childrens????
RE:RE:It's total our systems failure!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
It's wrong sgal!! We r three brothers,my big bros only one son,mine only daughter & my bros a son & a dat!! Now u say ?? I hv to see in mumbai like city hindus has so many children!! Do you want to see?? Go to any remote village you will see Hindu,Muslim,Adibasi all hv so many children!! System our change,try to convince them wts type of problem we will be face in futures!! But unfortunately we dont do this!!
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
How many Muslim's you hv to see more than one wife??? But I can see u many Hindu ppl from UP,Bihar,Rajashtan come to Mumbai,they hv one wife in their native village another in Mumbai!!
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by RAJA DURAI on Jul 28, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
well its because for them this is not their country and this world is not a living place? so says their holy book,
but the fact is, a country is important to a muslim, how?
if a country has more muslims that is majority of muslim those muslims in near by countried will support that country
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by J Singh on Jul 31, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Why is a temple in far off Ayodhya more important to Hindus that the Country, and the lives of ordinary Indians? Can Raja Durai or Sledgergal explain?
Remember Haneef was let go on a technical matter that does not make him innocent consider the FACTS once again and his support to terrorists
Let focus on Haneefs interview
1) He lets Ilian use his house and his computer yet knows nothing of him how convenient
2) His boss expects him for work tomorrow and he has a one way ticket to Bangalore even when he knew that return tickets are cheaper.
3) He stays with his cousins casually and leaves behind his sim card; and claims to know nothing about them.
4) He is a practicing Muslim but does not know if he is a Shia or a Sunni or any other sect, or he claims those divisions are "created". Hilarious.
5) His cousins are "moderate" Muslims but they still manage to pray 5 times a day even in UK. And they are professional. Shit man the software ware engineers and doctors I know don't have time to go to the loo even.
6) Does not want to comment on Iraq and Afganistan? Why?
Remember this is a police interrogation and he is being charged for a very serious crime; at that point of time you don't spout fundaes like
Q Where were you born A All India is my country
You should be exact it is for your own good; so saying Shia Sunni is created is all fine but that is also a reality that one is born in a sect and one should be upfront.
In UK the life of a profession is so tough you have to work/cook/clean all by yourself how can a "moderate" person have time to even pray once.
My Muslim friends in UK drink and hardly ever pray even on I
RE:RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by RAJA DURAI on Jul 28, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
sir, i do doubt that one way ticket ( haneef might have know indian govt would support muslim)so no extradiction,
another point is using computer by his cousin and praying 5 times does not mean that he can be a party to the crime,
being a muslim his view on iraq and afghan would have been that of againt america so he could have avoided it,
leaving a sim card certainly rouses doubt,
thats why they questioned him
i am sure the australian govt will be more severe than the indian govt in terrorist issue so if they let him it has to be that........
RE:RE:RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
I think it is naive to give him so much benefit of doubt; if all this was happening around him and he did not know he is either a big idiot or trying to play smart.
Since we know he is a doctor he cant be a idiot so only one possibility is left.
RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by santosh satpathy on Jul 28, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
major, U r out of ur mind .Wats ur problem anyway?Is it chronic hemorrhoid or just muslim phobia?cant u understand that Aussi govt HAS DROPPED ALL CHARGES aganist dr Hanif.Get ur data checked and then come to spread venom...
RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
here is another fanatic......why dont u let others express their views and comments......what is bothering you....This is what every one is saying moslim fnatacism....if u have anthing to say smoothly express it else shut ur mouth.
RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by fahimuddin khan on Jul 28, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
every one means???? I am not in that every one please count me out.
RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
What do you want Sassy?? You tell what kind of punish appropiate for him!! Dont spread hatred accross the board!!We(Indian) hv lot of problem,unemployee,Garibi,Farmer sucide,dowri etc etc,why you dont talk about these proble,how to solve it???
RE:RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by Major Sassy on Jul 28, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
I want a proper investigation and till then I want him to held under detention so that he does not do anything nasty in the while.
When the authorities say that Haneef is clean I will accept it; but so far they have not said that; in fact the investigations continue; they are just sending away a headache for now.
And since I was not taught in Lahore I stick to topic this discussion is about Haneef so lets discuss Haneef and not other things
RE:RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by RAJA DURAI on Jul 28, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
it was not spreading hatred, but you pointed that you fear about indias future,
there is no need to fear about the safety of muslime a true hindu will always protect a muslim or any relegion, if not this country would not have withstood wave after wave of atacks from muslim and christian rulers,
next,.... please do not think haneef was tortured he was questioned since his family was involved he was released once its was proved he was not involved
RE:RE:RE:Lets not insult innocent dead by calling this truth
by J Singh on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
By the way, rajadurai, this Country also suffered wave after wave of attacks from Hindu rulers too. In fact, more than those of Muslim or Christian invaders. What do you think Hindu rajas were doing? Twiddling their thumbs? They were always at war with each other. Read about the Kalinga battle, you cretin. It was one of the largest massacres of human life ever. Were those not Indian lives?
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by Abdullah Saikh on Jul 28, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Only cause Garibi!! You hv to see just few days back what happened in Pakistan? Musharraf announced 5000 Pak rs mean 3800 Indian rupees for leave the mosque!! Just think how's poor they are!! Do you know who goes to Madrassa for education ?? Who's did not get food in their house,parents send them to Madrassa!!And most of Madrassa running by rich's donate(Bank Int/Arabia's bank Interes)which called "SUD" & as on hadish SUD is haram but Madarassa's student using this money!!! You cant imagine how's poor these boys !! No one student in Madrassa from middle class/rich muslim family!! We cant blame to all Muslim for it,it's total failure our system!!
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by RAJA DURAI on Jul 28, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
well to me whosoever kills an innocent is a terrorist,
what about the gujarat riots what about the sikh riots what about the riots in ireland by the british what about the riots in srilanks ( a buddhist monk killed a president)
what about the US?
these are all terrorists,
muslims terrorist go on a rampage becase of the support they recv from their releigous leaders and other religions
RE:RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by sledgergal on Jul 28, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
even in that case.....moslim terrorists are so many.....what ever riots u mentioned put together - the same level is being done by islamic terr in just a monyth..
RE:Kafeel is a crminal and he shd be hanged.
by RAJA DURAI on Jul 28, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
yes thats what i too agree its because of the support they recceive from their relegious leaders and other political parties
who spoke when hindus were murdered in kerala,
who spoke when hindus were burnt in jammu
none not even hindus, because its the dharma that has saved this hinduism from all these war mongers
i was not born a hindu nor a hindu now but i am a great follower of this great relegion
but i do not see myself as a hindu but as an indian first
