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TRUE JIHAD
by vikas sethi on Jul 29, 2007 11:01 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

REMEMBER !!!! EVERY MUSLIM IS A JEHADI
by CHORA CHICHORA on Jul 29, 2007 05:06 PM | Hide replies

REMEMBER !!!! EVERY MUSLIM IS A JEHADI....A JEHAD ,THE STRUGGLE AND A FIGHT FOR TRUTH,RIGHTS....
PEOPLE MIGHT SAY WHY SHOULD WE FIGHT FOR OTHERS WHO ARE HELPLESS...SO ALLAH SAID IF YOU FIGHT FOR OTHERS WHO ARE HELPLESS THEN YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR ME ...SO FIGHTING FOR OTHERS WHO ARE HELPLESS AND WHO NEED SOME HELP IS A FIGHT FOR GOD....AND ALLAH SAID HE WILL REWARD YOU AND DONT EXPECT ANYTHING FROM THE PERSON FOR WHOM YOU ARE FIGHTING ....THIS IS WHAT JIHAD IS ...AND WE ALL MUSLIMS ARE JEHADIS....LET OTHERS TREAT THE WORD "JIHAD" AS ABUSE BUT FOR US IT WOULD BE A OPPURTUNITY ....

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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:35 AM  Permalink
Terrorism is usually defined as ideologically motivated indiscriminate violence that targets civilians, with the intention of inspiring terror in order to achieve political ends. Although this definition ignores the reality of state terrorism, it is clear that terrorism has no place in the noble concept of Jihad. Even Jihad that involves physical conflict is the very antithesis of terrorism, as is clear from the following differences:1. Jihad can be launched only by an established authority as a policy in order to deter aggression. Terrorism, on the other hand, is committed by individuals or groups that have no legitimacy to speak for the majority. When terrorism is committed by states, it usually depends on misleading the masses.2. Jihad is limited to combatants while terrorism involves indiscriminate killing of civilians.3. Jihad, when the need arises, is declared openly, while terrorism is committed secretly.4. Jihad is bound by strict rules of engagement while terrorism is not bound by any rules.It is clear from the foregoing discussion that Jihad is a vast concept that encompasses various spheres of activity, all directed towards the betterment of self and society. Regardless of how legitimate a cause may be, Islam does not condone the killing of innocent people. Terrorizing the civilian population, whether by individuals or states, can never be termed as jihad and can never be reconciled with the teachings of Islam.



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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Prajakta Lingarkar on Jul 30, 2007 04:06 PM  Permalink
Mr. Sayyed, u r using rediff site for spreading Islam I guess. How can you explain the sucide bombings, Mass Destructions(Bomb blasts) by jihadis. Are'nt the people who died & their families were helpless. And who made thm helpless?

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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jul 30, 2007 08:19 AM  Permalink

Every Yuga had Daanav/ Raakshasas .. how can we miss them in Kaliyuga !! ... go on dude !

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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by vikas sethi on Jul 29, 2007 11:02 PM  Permalink
CHORA CHICHORA, OK.I want to see ur JIHAD & test the Muslim community.U say Allah says fight for others who r helpless then u r fighting for me . I inform you that the whole world is helpless against muslim terrorism. Common man get along all true muslims and end this JIHADI TERROR worldwide. Kill Osama, Zawahari and the Al Qaida as they r a nuisance to this world and as per ur own interpretation and belief you will endear urself to Allah bcoz they r not waging true Jihad. If people today r talking aboutMohammad & Allah it is bcoz of these people & their misguided Islamic Jihad.

All The Best. Do not Back off now.

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RE:RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:30 AM  Permalink
Jihad on the battlefield, in the Islamic perspective, is the last resort, and is subject to stringent conditions. It can be waged only to defend freedom, which includes freedom of faith. The Glorious Qur%u2019an says: %u201CTo those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;- (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure%u2026%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 22:39-40].Moreover, the Qur%u2019an says:
%u201CAnd why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? - Men, women and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 4:75].Thus the conditions of physical Jihad are clearly defined in the Qur%u2019an.

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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 07:28 PM  Permalink
i support vikas on this anybody else ?

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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:29 AM  Permalink
The word Jihad comes from the root word jahada, which means to struggle. At the individual level, jihad primarily refers to the inner struggle of being a person of virtue and submission to God in all aspects of life.At the collective level, jihad can take various forms, such as:1. Intellectual Jihad, which comprises of the struggle to convey the message of God to humankind and to combat social evils through knowledge, wisdom and dignified discourse. As the Glorious Qur%u2019an says:"Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who bow in Islam%u201D? [Al-Qur%u2019an 41:33].2. Economic Jihad, which comprises of economic measures, and spending from one%u2019s means to improve the living conditions of the poor and the downtrodden.3. Physical Jihad, which involves collective armed self-defense, as well as retribution against tyranny, exploitation, and oppression.Thus the concept of Jihad is vast and comprehensive. Admittedly, it%u2019s the last category of Jihad that is a cause for concern to many, and which we shall explore in detail.


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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jul 30, 2007 08:26 AM  Permalink

Hey dude, whats that you were saying Myth and stuff... can you pls share with me?

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RE:TRUE JIHAD
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:34 AM  Permalink
Physical Jihad cannot be waged with the objective of compelling people to embrace Islam. The Glorious Qur%u2019an says:
%u201CLet there be no compulsion in religion%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 2:256]%u201CIf it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 10:99).If the enemy offers peace, it should be accepted even at the risk of possible deception. The Glorious Qur%u2019an says:%u201CBut if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 8:61]


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RE:Sense of victimization
by vikas sethi on Jul 29, 2007 11:07 PM  Permalink
Mythology is a myth. Ur reply reveals ur sense of proportion. No wonder u people never debate substance. Grow up Baby.

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RE:Sense of victimization
by Bhaumik on Jul 30, 2007 04:28 AM  Permalink
'It has now been discarded by most american universities and removed from syllabus for lack of evidence.' This is an incredible claim! In fact a simple lie..(There were some attempts to smuggle in 'indigenous Aryan' theory by some misguided upper class indians. But the attempt failed).

Americans, their universities, where this area of history is taought, go by the prevalent, more likely theory of Aryan invasion.Americans are least bothered whether Aryans invaded India or not.

But it seems it matters to some Indians, who feel they are less Indians unless they prove their weird theory of indigenous Aryan.

One does not have to be Aryan to be Indian. Vast majority of Indians do not claim to be Aryans How should it matter to them, whether Aryans came from outside or not?

All products creativity in arts and sciences in India belong to Indians, not to Aryans. Hindus are not Aryans, but proud indigenous Indians.






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RE:RE:Sense of victimization
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 12:27 PM  Permalink
The Kaaba is a large structure, roughly the shape of a cube, which is located in the Holy Mosque in Mecca. Muslims face the direction of the Kaaba, known as the Qibla during their prayers.At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the adhaan or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba; does an idol worshipper ever stand on the idol he worships?
In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba.When the Muslims visit the Holy Mosque in Makkah, they perform tawaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God. Just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.Regarding the black stone, Hajr-e-Aswad, Umar the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), said:"I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (peace be upon him) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".
[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].Thus, it is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.



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RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Sense of victimization
by vikas sethi on Jul 29, 2007 10:47 PM  Permalink
I have not come across any muslim giving clarification on religion. Instead they take refuge under Hindu names & try to spread malice. It is a typical mindset.They cannot debate only use abusive language or threaten to kill.

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RE:Sense of victimization
by vikas sethi on Jul 29, 2007 10:42 PM  Permalink
Buddy come out on Religion and do not quote from Mythology. Every religion has mythology and it is termed so bcoz it is myth.

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RE:Sense of victimization
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 12:20 PM  Permalink
Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect, even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain.Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations.The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia, and to the East coast of Africa ?"Today the fastest growing religion in America and in Europe is Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?
Indeed, it is the sword of the intellect; the sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Glorious Qur'an says:"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." [Al-Qur'an 16:

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RE:Be proud to be Hindu!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 12:28 PM  Permalink
The Kaaba is a large structure, roughly the shape of a cube, which is located in the Holy Mosque in Mecca. Muslims face the direction of the Kaaba, known as the Qibla during their prayers.At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the adhaan or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba; does an idol worshipper ever stand on the idol he worships?
In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba.When the Muslims visit the Holy Mosque in Makkah, they perform tawaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God. Just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.Regarding the black stone, Hajr-e-Aswad, Umar the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), said:"I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (peace be upon him) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".
[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].Thus, it is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.



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It's called TAKIYA
by sunil Rawat on Jul 29, 2007 09:12 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

It's called takiya, the notorious art of denial & deceiving by lying when you know you are wrong & can't win.

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RE:It's called TAKIYA
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 07:33 PM  Permalink
did haneef use this stategy to hoodwinhk the australians

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muslims are educated militants
by anil arora on Jul 29, 2007 08:59 PM  Permalink 

can the editor ask the interviewee -
1. what is/are the basic triggering point(s) of any communal riots ?
2. why are they avoided given any tenancy in any hindu areas?
3. any one wrong verdict by court or police make the whole community stand against the law. can he state how many are languishing in jails who are falsely implicated in some case or the other from muslim community and hindu or other community?
4. why blame indian system, when world wide musilms are known for their illegal activities and crying foul always?
5. why is it that they are absolutely non-believeable and back-stabbers?
6. always create trouble- in germany i visited, the moment the landlady learnt that i am from india she refused to lend the room to me, why? to avoid nuisances of "halal" of chickens etc., disturbances very early-mornings and filthy way of living.
i can go on with grievances, but here it will be just a loss of energy for me.

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The same reason..
by Bhaumik on Jul 29, 2007 07:03 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Why Muslims are taking to violence?

Well, I think it is the same reason that induces a misguided minority among Hindus to join extremist outfits like RSS, VHP, or Bajrang Dal. Paranoia and persecution mania, carefully nurtured by motivated evil ideologues who inculcate resentment against real or perceived historical grievances in the impressionable minds of the victims (yes, victims)who then join the extremist band wagon like lambs led to their slaughter, to taken revenge or to 'correct' historical wrongs....

It is the same story everywhere. And, it is not restricted to some Muslims or to some minority among Hindus..

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RE:The same reason..
by Saurabh Gupta on Jul 29, 2007 09:46 PM  Permalink
Dear bhaumik. Its really shameful that you are saying about bajranj dal/VHP/RSS as terrorist. How the hell can u say that. have they ever killl masses, done balsts, rapes young women. Infact they are the only few people who have the guts to fight the musalmisaton and cristinasation of india.... better mind ur work and get some proff before shouting ... MAY GOD GIVE U SOME BRAIN.

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RE:The same reason..
by Bhaumik on Jul 30, 2007 01:25 AM  Permalink
"How the hell can u say that. have they ever kill masses, done balsts, rapes young women."

H'mm.... haven't they? Are we forgetting recent history?

By the way, I did bot use the word terrorist. I was talking about violence and violent ideologies. Judge for yourself.

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RE:The same reason..
by Global Hindu on Jul 29, 2007 09:36 PM  Permalink
Well,there is more violence in 100% muslim countries where you dont find traces of RSS/VHP or Hinduism. You have some problem with your basic analutical capabilities.

Islam means violence. That is what Islam is known to the world today.

People dont care what is written in the religious texts. They weigh religions based on the number of violent incidents associated with the religion. Islam speaks loud in this connection and world hears and learns.

Global Hindu

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RE:The same reason..
by sunil Rawat on Jul 29, 2007 09:09 PM  Permalink
First of all it's not the same story if you intelectually analyse it world-widely.
Second, RSS,VHP do not do/provoke bombing .

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