RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 08:58 AM Permalink
Let us analyze this issue in greater detail: 1. Peace is ingrained in Islam Islam comes from the root word %u2018Salaam', which means peace. It also means submitting one's will to Allah (swt). The word %u2018Salaam%u2019 is also an attribute of God. In this context, it means %u2018The Giver of Peace%u2019. Muslims greet each other with %u2018Salams%u2019 which translates to wishing peace for one another.Thus peace is a goal that Muslims are required to strive for, in their own selves, in their families and in their communities
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:00 AM Permalink
2. History of Tolerance and Mutual Respect The Glorious Qur%u2019an says: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error" [Al-Qur'an 2:256]Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect, even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations. The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
If My friend, Mr. Sayyad quotes verse 2:256, why does he not cite the following from the Qur%u2019an: "%u2026.fight and slay the Pagans whenever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" [Sura Tauba. (IX:5)]. There is, in the same verse, advice to relent but only if the adversary becomes true Muslims, " if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity%u2026." . A comparable verse is: " Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" [Sura Tauba ( IX:29)] Do not talk in isolation.
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Navratan Sethia on Jul 30, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
why are you exiting about islam. this is not a religion. islamic system is the way of life for terrorist, looters, anti nationals, murders, . please not compare with religion with islam.
RE:RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect, even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations. The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.
RE:RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
Policy of Muslim rulers in India - The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions language, places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda were totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
If My Sayyad quotes verse 2:256, why does he not cite the following from the Qur%u2019an: "%u2026.fight and slay the Pagans whenever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" [Sura Tauba. (IX:5)]. There is, in the same verse, advice to relent but only if the adversary becomes true Muslims, " if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity%u2026." . A comparable verse is: " Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" [Sura Tauba ( IX:29)] Do not talk in isolation.
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 08:56 AM Permalink
One of the bizarre myths perpetuated about Islam, during the centuries of mistrust during and after the Crusades, is that Muslim armies forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword. Unfortunately this myth survives to this day.Many Western scholars have now repudiated this myth. The great historian De Lacy O%u2019Leary wrote in %u201CIslam At the Cross-roads%u201D "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated."The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man's head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Sharad on Jul 30, 2007 09:04 AM Permalink
India is classic case of conversion by force. The Islamic rulers starting with Babur invaded India, plundered the nation, and forcibly converted (killed those who wouldn't convert and opposed them). You the product of such a conversion. Your forefathers were the first victims. Let us not kid ourselves as to what happened. We are grown ups now.
RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:02 AM Permalink
3. The Rapid Spread of Islam An article in Reader's Digest %u2018Almanac', year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in %u2018The Plain Truth' magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, %u201CWhich war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?%u201DIndonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia, and to the East coast of Africa ?"Today the fastest growing religion in America and in Europe is Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers? Indeed, it is the sword of the intellect; the sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Glorious Qur'an says:"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." [Al-Qur'an 16:125]
RE:RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
How did muslim religion spread in India & its part that is now Pakistan.Parsis from Persian Iran r still settled in India, Christian Syria, Egypt,Africa. Check history of any region honestly. Not only their religion but also the local culture was destroyed. How did Buddha statues come in Afghanistan that were recently destroyed by Taliban. Clerics & people in Christian Syria were murdered, tortured and raped kept as harams & they later converted to muslim religion as they could not escape & there was no option left.The children frm these became muslims. It is the same story everywhere. It is better we not discuss these Mr. Sayyad. You will not like it and also the debate would not remain civilised. Suffice to say, Muslim religion was spread with Quran in one hand and Sword in the other. And all this started at the time of Mohammad himself. Check all his battles and details of the war booty. I prefer not to point further to these for obvious reasons which as a muslim you must be aware of.
RE:RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
When u talk of Growth of Islam, also mention that once a muslim, he cannot leave the religion. If he does, he is killed. All muslim nations have Apostate laws. If muslims marry non muslims then they compulsorily have to covert their spouse to muslims. So Islam is a one way traffic. As of today, what you do not tell is Arabs in large numbers migrate to west & secretly convert. More than 30% of the people in Muslim Iran are muslims only in name. Fear of Death prevents them from openly coming out as there is totalitarian regime in Iran. Do not spread misinformation bcoz the mulla who has never stepped out of his masjid says so. When a media article is favourable, you quote from it. When it is not favourable (most of the time), u say media is anti Islam. When u urself say Islam is passing thru rough times worldwide, who will in such times leave his religion & turn to Islam. Use commonsense to answer this question.
RE:RE:ISLAM IS A RISK TO THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Mr. Ismail Sayyed, any amount of waxing eloquent will not erase the harsh realities of history. I have first hand information about the soldiers of Tippu Sultan converting hindus into Islam by force of sword in British Malabar (from Kasaragod to Malappuram along the present NH-17).
The Koran is inherently violent and that is the reason for the billigerance of their followers. A few scattered verses on religious tolerance will not change the fact.
Ram Yadav is definitely not a Hindu, if you are new to these sites you'll find few Pakis/pseudo Indians with Hindu Aliases, so do not fall prey to such people. The way this so called 'Ram Yadav' has posted, out of my exp he is a Paki who usually copy pastes from hate Sites
RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH-REVELATION
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
The Kaaba is a large structure, roughly the shape of a cube, which is located in the Holy Mosque in Mecca. Muslims face the direction of the Kaaba, known as the Qibla during their prayers.At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the adhaan or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba; does an idol worshipper ever stand on the idol he worships? The Glorious Qur%u2019an says:"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction." [Al-Qur'an 2:144]In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba.When the Muslims visit the Holy Mosque in Makkah, they perform tawaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God. Just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.Regarding the black stone, Hajr-e-Aswad, Umar the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), said:"I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (peace be upon him) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].Thus, it is important to note that thou
RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH-REVELATION
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
.Regarding the black stone, Hajr-e-Aswad, Umar the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), said:"I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (peace be upon him) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].Thus, it is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.
RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH-REVELATION
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
But why did Mohammad kiss this stone when he cleared the Kaaba of all other idols.Bcoz it was believed to have fallen from Heaven. Secondly, u r wrong when u say muslims stand on that stone. It is placed on the Kaaba & this is the place from where muslims begin what Mr. Sayyed calls the circumambulation round the Kaaba. So, The Kaaba is a stone building covered with a black tarp. On this is the black stone that apparently broke upon impact. I would say this amounts to idol worship but others may disagree. It is a matter of personal belief and faith.
But again where in quran is it mentioned to run around the kabba 7 times and that this is pleases Allah???
RE:RE:ISLAM -THE HIDDEN TRUTH-REVELATION
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 07:20 PM Permalink
why not face anyother direction and worship man i say that bcos u bel that god is intat dir that why u pay whats wrong in accepting that i dont understan
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:08 AM Permalink
1. Major difference between Islam and most other religions
All religions basically exhort mankind to be righteous and eschew evil. But Islam goes beyond that. It guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness and eliminating evil from our individual and collective lives. Islam takes into account human nature and the complexities of human society. Islam is guidance from the Creator Himself. Therefore, Islam is also called the Deen-ul-Fitrah (the natural religion of Man).
RE:RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
"All religions basically exhort mankind to be righteous and eschew evil. But Islam goes beyond that. " have u read any books of other rligion t o say that ? bcos in hinsusm there is no single book to each his own thats waht is the best
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
3. Example: Islam prohibits the molestation and rape of women. It enjoins hijab and prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist.a. Islam prescribes method of eliminating molestation and rape.All the major religions declare the molestation and rape of women as grave sins. Islam teaches the same. What then is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam does not merely preach respect for women, or abhor molestation and rape as serious crimes, but also gives clear guidance as to how society can eliminate such crimes.b. Hijab for men.Islam has a system of hijab. The Glorious Qur'an first mentions hijab for the men and then for the women. Hijab for the men is mentioned in the following verse:"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."[Al-Qur'an 24:30].The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.
RE:RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Religious Scholar on Jul 30, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
he he he he... what about he many wives that mohammed had???? his last wife was a six year old little girl...
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:13 AM Permalink
America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Unfortunately it also has one of the highest rates of crime, theft, and robbery. Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented in America i.e. every rich person gives Zakat ( 2.5% of his savings in charity above 85 grams of gold every lunar year), and every convicted robber has his or her hands chopped off as a punishment. Will the rate of theft and robbery in America increase, remain same or decrease? Naturally it will decrease. Moreover the existence of such a stringent law would discourage many a potential robber.I agree that the amount of theft that takes place in the world today is so tremendous that if you chop off the hands of all the thieves, there will be tens of thousands of people whose hands will be chopped off. The point here is that the moment you implement this law the rate of theft will decline immediately. The potential robber would give it a serious thought before jeopardizing his limbs. The mere thought of the punishment itself will discourage majority of the robbers. There will barely be a few who would rob. Hence only a few person's hands would be chopped off but millions would live peacefully without fear of being robbed.Islamic Shariah is therefore practical, and achieves results.
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:19 AM Permalink
h. Results achieved when Islamic Shariah Implemented.Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented worldwide. Whenever a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic Hijab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrists. After this if any man commits rape, he gets capital punishment. The question is, will the rate of rape increase, will it remain the same or will it decrease? Naturally it will decrease. Islamic Shariah gets results.
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:12 AM Permalink
2. Example - Islam commands us to shun robbery and also prescribes method of eleminating robbery.a. Islam prescribes method of eliminating robbery.All major religions teach that theft is an evil act. Islam teaches the same. So what is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam, besides teaching that robbing is evil, shows a practical way of creating a social structure in which people will not rob.b. Islam prescribes Zakat.Islam prescribes a system of Zakat (obligatory annual charity). Islamic law prescribes that every person who has a saving that exceeds the nisab level i.e. more than 85 grams of gold, should give 2.5% of that saving every lunar year in charity. If every rich person in the world gave Zakat sincerely, poverty will be eradicated from this world. Not a single human being would die of hunger.c. Chopping off the hands as punishment for robbery.Islam prescribes chopping off the hands of the convicted robber. The non-Muslim may say, "Chopping off the hands in this 20th century. Islam is a barbaric and ruthless religion!".America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Unfortunately it also has one of the highest rates of crime, theft, and robbery. Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented in America i.e. every rich person gives Zakat ( 2.5% of his savings in charity above 85 grams of gold every lunar year), and every convicted robber has his or her hands chopped off as a punishment. W
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:20 AM Permalink
4. Islam has Practical Solutions for the Problems of Mankind
Islam is the best way of life because its teachings are not doctrinaire rhetoric but practical solutions for the problems of mankind. Islam achieves results both at the individual and collective levels. Islam is the best way of life because it is a practical, universal religion not confined to any ethnic group or nationality.
RE:RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Anand Bharadwaj on Jul 30, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Thanks for posting many verses of your Book. let us get Facts right. This world is not meant for Islam alone. If you find your Muslim men have lust at every one if they see women not in 'purdah' so be it. But do not think people of other religions behave similarly. You find innumerable examples in Hindu texts that women are 'Respected' even if they are not covered.
RE:RE:RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
i agree and request the moderator to disable "report abuse" mr anands reply
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:17 AM Permalink
e. Example of twin sisters
Suppose two sisters who are twins and who are equally beautiful, walk down a street. One of them is wearing the Islamic Hijab i.e. the complete body is covered except for the face and the hands up to the wrists, and the other twin is wearing a mini skirt or shorts. Around the corner there is a hooligan who is waiting for an opportunity to tease a girl. Who will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the mini skirt or shorts? Dresses that expose more than they conceal, are an indirect temptation to the opposite sex for teasing, molestation and rape. The Qur'an rightly says that the hijab prevents women from being molested.
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Mr. Ismail Sayyed, you are just copying and pasting what is written on Dr. Zakir Naik's site. Write something original!!!
RE:RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Religious Scholar on Jul 30, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Ismail Sayyed..... As I said before all these commands are given in the Bible... Mohammed has just borrowed and tried to start a new religion... there is no originality....
RE:RE:RE:RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
Similarities between the Qur%u2019an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur%u2019an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur%u2019an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.
RE:Want to know Real ISLAM??
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
c. Hijab for women.Hijab for women is mentioned in the following verse:"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons...."[Al-Qur'an 24:31] The extent of hijab for a woman is that her complete body should be covered. The only part that can be seen, are the face and the hands up to the wrists. If they wish to cover, they can even cover these parts of the body. However some Islamic scholars insist that even the face should be covered.
d. Hijab prevents molestation
The reason why Allah has prescribed Hijab for the women is given in the Qur'an in the folowing verse of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women,that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, most Merciful."
[Al-Qur'an 33:59]
The Qur'an says that Hijab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women this would prevent them from being molested.
