I am fed up with people commenting about our community, I hope all our people in this world can go to Mars & live peacefully their with help of the Almighty Allah! I hope this is possible & comes true
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
well if at all u guys can assure you wont bomb mars..thr is a possibility
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by Vinay Joshi on Jul 30, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
Mr Sayed. What people speak here is the truth. Please go through some documents, which prove what people are saying here. Look at whats happening in Pakistan, Iraq and other places. The fundamentalists always outnumber the liberals, because the liberals dont use force or arms. You think the same thing should happen in India as well?
Do you approve of a single civil law for everyone in the country? Do you approve of banning the Wahabi sect of Islam? Do you approve banning of killing animals in the name of religion? Do you approve stoppage of use of public space for namaz on fridays? Do you approve of forcible use of family planning?
Until yall approve, the messages that you hate reading, .... will continue.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
In any country, the Personal Law may differ for different groups of people and for different communities. Since India is a secular and democratic country it allows different groups of people to follow their own personal law if they wish.3.Islamic Personal Law is the Best Muslims believe that compared to all the different types of personal laws available in the world, the best and the most result oriented is the Islamic Personal Law. Muslims of India prefer following the Muslim personal law also because of their own belief in Islam. 4. Criminal Law.Criminal law is that law which is associated with a crime or an act which directly affects the society e.g. robbing, raping, murdering, etc.5.The Criminal Law should be the same for all people In any country, the criminal law unlike the Personal Law cannot be different for different groups of people. It has to be same for all people of different groups and different religions e.g. In Islam if a person robs, his hands are chopped off. This punishment is not prescribed in Hinduism. If a Hindu robs a Muslim, what would be the robber%u2019s punishment? The Muslim would want the hands of the robber to be chopped, while the Hindu Law would not agree.6.The Muslims in India alone cannot separately follow the Islamic Criminal Law without involving the Non-Muslims Even if a Muslim agrees, that as far as he commits a crime he should be given the punishment according to Islamic Criminal Law, it would not be practical. In case an allegation is m
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by Sayed Maqbool on Jul 30, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
What you are referring to is pertaining to India, but do you think by saying yes to all your points the world will stop looking at us with suspicion especially when we travel in western countries & the terrorist tag will be off us.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
.8. Islamic Criminal Law is Most Practical Islam besides pointing out a crime, it also gives you a solution showing how to prevent the crime e.g. chopping the hands of a robber, death penalty for the rapist. The punishment is so severe that it is a deterrent for the criminal to commit the crime. He will think a hundred times before committing a crime.Thus if crime has to be reduced or stopped in India the best solution is to implement %u2018The Common Islamic Criminal Law%u2019.
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
crime is a violence.. and you punish the person who does a crime with a violence like cutting finger etc.. wow !!!! whats the diff btw the killer and the punisher then ?..
Just by doing all this.. violence has gone into your blood and mind deeply.. thats why the life of people have become so easy and small for you to destroy and bomb countries...
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
It is true that there are Muslims who cheat, bribe and whose personal character is indeed disappointing when judged by the standard of Islam. There are black sheep in every community, and the Muslim community has theirs. It is important to bear in mind though, that display of such low ethical standards by some Muslims is a result of not following the teachings of Islam.In the current political climate, it has become fashionable to associate Islam with obscurantist ideas, and extremist behavior. Millions of Muslims worldwide focus on righteous deeds in this life, in order to attain eternal salvation in the hereafter. Muslims are the biggest community of teetotalers in the world. Every year, Muslims donate billions of dollars in charity, as part of their religious obligation of Zakat.The vast majority of law-abiding, righteous Muslims, however, do not make the headlines, the way deviants do.This has resulted in the perpetuation of negative stereotypes of Muslims. Judging Islam by the behavior of some Muslims is akin to judging a car by an erratic driver.
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Ismail and Sayed ,
We never asked you to write stories here... Just see whats your attitude.. without any reason you guys start praising islam...this is what we call as inferiority complex..
Read the topic above and stick to it..When will you guys stop bombing ? is it in your law to bomb places ? or in ur quran ?
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by Sayed Maqbool on Jul 30, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
who is praising, Mr, Ismail has listed the laws of crime & punishment clearly let this law come into force in India at least for muslims, then if it is a sucess & brings dowm all the antinational activites.. then it can be extended to all others.,,,
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
excellent vinay !!! great points.. i wanted to write these but kept quiet to leep up our dignity..
Just becoz we are tolerating everything...they think that we are for fun !!!
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
Even if a Muslim agrees, that as far as he commits a crime he should be given the punishment according to Islamic Criminal Law, it would not be practical. In case an allegation is made against a Muslim for robbery and if the witnesses are Non-Muslims, and if each one follows his own Criminal Law, the punishment in Islam for bearing false witness is 80 lashes, whereas in the Indian Crimial Law, a person giving false witness can easily escape. Thus, for a non-Muslim to falsely accuse a Muslim of any crime is very easy, if both follow their own criminal law. However, if both follow the Indian Law where the punishment is lenient for false witnesses and robbers, it will encourage both the robber to rob as well as encourage the witnesses to give false witness for their own benefit.7.The Muslims in India would prefer the Islamic Criminal Law to be implemented on all Indians.We Muslims would prefer that in India the Islamic Criminal Law be implemented on all the Indians, since, chopping the hands of a thief will surely reduce the rate of robbery in India. Similarly, 80 lashes for giving false testimony will prevent a person from giving false witness.8. Islamic Criminal Law is Most Practical Islam besides pointing out a crime, it also gives you a solution showing how to prevent the crime e.g. chopping the hands of a robber, death penalty for the rapist. The punishment is so severe that it is a deterrent for the criminal to commit the crime. He will think a hundred times before commi
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
You be good to the people & people will be good to you.Forget & Forgive.Live & let Live.Ok.Anything Else.
RE:Hinduism is the oldest of all the religions and thus the, most pure, authentic and best of all the religions of the world.
by Anand Bharadwaj on Jul 30, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
No religon can be compared with Hinduins. This religion does not have 1 book to stick to, 1 methodology to follow. We consider every on as equal and agree that any one can attain salvation by his means, either yo pray to Allah, Jesus or any thing. THIS you can expect Only in Hinduism. Other religions are too mean minded and they 'PREACH' for their practices. That is the reason why in 3rd world countries, we find Muslims and Christians. But Guys can you find 'Any One Hindu' in African tribal belt?
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by vimal bhasin on Jul 30, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
True. Best religion should be the religion of truth, and should be applicable to all ages. It must have the solution to all the problems of mankind.
Islam does not provide the solution to problems. IN FACT, IT IS THE ONLY PROBLEM.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
1. Islam is the oldest religion Hinduism is not the oldest of all the religions. It is Islam which is the first and the oldest of all religions. People have a misconception that Islam is 1400 years old and that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of this religion. Islam existed since time immemorial, ever since man first set foot on this earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not the founder of Islam. He was the last and final Messenger of Almighty God.2.The oldest religion need not be the purest and the most authentic religion.A religion cannot be claimed to be most pure and authentic, only on the criterion that it is the oldest. It is similar to a person saying that the water he has kept in an open glass, in his house, outside the refrigerator, for three months is purer than the water which has just been collected in a clean glass, immediately after it has been purified.3.The latest religion need not be the purest and the most authentic religion On the other hand a religion cannot be claimed to be the purest or authentic, only on the criterion that the religion is new or the latest. A bottle of distilled water which is sealed, packed and kept in the refrigerator for three months is much purer than a bottle of water freshly collected from the sea.
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by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 08, 2007 10:46 PM Permalink
were there muslims before JEHUDIS ? JEHUDIS or JEWS are older to Islamic Muslims. The FIRST JEHUDI or JEW ABRAHAM OR IBRAHEEM fathered two sons Issack and Ismaeel. Issack continued as a JEW worshipping Abba his God and Issaac who was sent away along with his mother Hajar to the present day Middle east by the father Ibraheem, founded the Islamic cult which was later developed by Mohammad who claimed he is a prophet and wrote quoran claiming that he was dictated by Allaah his God.
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by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 08, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Read Ishmaeel....not Isaack "who was sent away along with his mother" error regretted.
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by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
even a bottle com swith an expiry date and islam has come with that beocuse u only say that ilam is truth whereas in gita shree bahwan says in whatever form u pray to me u will attain salvation i.e moksha not saying that u need to follow whatever I TELL YOU pls read gita which came before quran and then comment
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by Vinay Joshi on Jul 30, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
There is nothing to comment. Hinduism was not a religion per se. It was and is a way of life. Taking a cue from the teachings and works, scientific and spiritual, other religions were formed... but were not perfected at all.
Why my messages r reported for Abuse. The topic under ISLAM. It is relevant to this debate and i have not abused anyone. Mr. Sayyed quoted from the Quran and I have seeked clarifications. He is unable to answer and reports for abuse.
What r the Moderators in Rediff doing - Sleeping????
RE:Why messages r reported for Abuse - Moderator?
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
vikas pls repeat them will u ?the moderator will always side with minority i have observed whenever a right question is asked he will never diasble report abuse
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
dude, went through your messages which are reported as abuse..excellent question.valid one..which muslims shud answer ??... Dont worry they will neither answer you nor will accept the mistakes on their side..
A dictorial caste which wants to shout that they are the best in the world which is not true..to come out fm their inferiority complex they start giving these kind of blast in US UK australia and a permanent trouble to india
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
U r right Vijay. This is the problem. They say Islam is superior but do not know how. They quote and when u reply, they begin to abuse and report for spam. They just cannot debate. They r trained that way to believe whatever is said is truth. Do not question Quran and Mohammad. They r blind followers without logic and then they say Quran is scientific.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
A stone is a stone. When Quran says no idols, why is it being kissed at Kaaba. It is absolutely contradictory. And Mohammad himself contradicted himself.
And what about the second question about going round the Kaaba 7 times. This is what Hindus do in temples. How is it different?
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by Kaz King on Jul 30, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
To non-Muslims, please understand that the stone was once kissed by Prophet Muhammad, and to us Muslims, it is sacred. Same reason as why the Christians eat the bread that symbolises the body of Christ, and same reason why Hindus believes the mouse is Ganesha%u2019s avatar. It%u2019s not logic (how could an elephant ride a tiny mouse, how could a bread signify the body of Christ, and how could a stone be of such significant). They are just symbolism.
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by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on Jul 30, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
But on the same length you also say there should not be any symbolic representation of God either in the form of Idol or some other form! Just accept you cant answer!
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
People r watching & let them deduce their own conclusion. U only abuse bcoz u cannot defend. The analogy of a frog suits u fine. Rather than move forward u move backwards.
And yes... we do not spread our religion or convert people to our religion. We r in 1 country but r more than enough for those spread across 20 countries.
RE:Why messages r reported for Abuse - Moderator?
by CHORA CHICHORA on Jul 30, 2007 01:57 PM Permalink
as you said you are more than enough for those spread across 20 countries...in what way you are talking about ...interms of money,power,population,dignity,respect?
RE:Why messages r reported for Abuse - Moderator?
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
RE:RE:Islam by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:51 PM U have not clarified the point but r going round the bush. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].This is exactly what I am pointing out. I have quoted from ur quotes. Why did Mohammad kiss the black stone when idol worship is banned.
U mention of the circumambulation round the Kaaba and everyone knows it. But again where in quran is it mentioned to run around the kabba 7 times and that this is pleases Allah??? Please help me in the verses bcoz u have been quoting from the Quran. Give the verse. and do not report this for abuse if u r sincere.
U r coping from some website all the quotes abou t Islam. When I ask you to clarify, u run away from the board and report for abuse. It is clear u have nothing to say on this.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
Stop giving lame excuses and show decency. Rather than abuse just about everyone without reason, I would call upon u to show some class. If for nothing else then at least for the parents who have brought u up.
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by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 08, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
It is better Muslims stop saying Hindus idol worshippers if they are justified that kaaba is not worshipped.
These are symbolic and help concentrate on a single purpose of focussed worship or allegiance to the Creator to whom they are grateful, Hindus, Muslims....or any body.
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by Kaz King on Jul 30, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
Muslims kiss the stone because the prophet did. and the prophet is the perfect example for muslims and god commanded the muslims to follow and obey the prophet. we trust the prophet. the black stone is believed to be originating from heaven, so, out of respect for the stone and trust in the prophet, we kiss it.
if muslims had worshiped the stone, umar wouldn%u2019t have said that the stone is just a stone and couldn%u2019t benefit nor harm us. this is because it is considered blasphemy when saying tis about something you worship.
we pray towards mecca because god commanded us to. sure, mecca had been holy since before muhammad because the first person who built it was abraham.
is it wrong to do things the prophet did if god says he%u2019s the perfect example for muslims?
and like my above comment of the bread and jesus%u2019s body. i believe it%u2019s called eucharist? eating the eucharist doesn%u2019t mean they%u2019re worshiping it.
the hajar-ul-aswad is just a piece of stone. it doesn%u2019t have the power to benefit or harm people. God has all those power, but not the stone.
RE:Why messages r reported for Abuse - Moderator?
by vimal bhasin on Jul 30, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
Mr King, I appreciate ur honest response. We all understand that it is not possible to clarify everything in Religion. But when some uninformed muslims start abusing, it needs to be countered.
What Vikas has pointed out is an abberation in Islam. We do not intend to belittle ur religion. But as u respect ur religion, we respect ours.
Btw, pls be informed that the black stone that Vikas refers to is believed to be the Shiv Ling of Hindus. If you observe it carefully, it resembles it.
Believe it or not is your choice. Hindus never have spread their religion and never will.It gives a lot of freedom to everyone. It has survived more than 10000 yrs without promotion and will last till eternity.
U have ur beliefs and we have ours. Respect ur beliefs. Do not just say ur beliefs r superior and we must adhere to them. The Ultimate truth is no one has seen GOD. We say all Gods r same they r only called by different names. There is no need to fight & kill over him.
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by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
it was not god it was prophet who commanded if i am correct in interpretation bcos if god had commanded similarly he could have revealed the wisdom to all and not just to prophet mohhammad can anybody clarify on this why allah diidnt reveal himself to all when he could command all to obey
RE:Water is called by different names in different languages: in English as water, in Hindi as paani, in Tamil as tanni. Similarly if God is called either Allah, Ram or Jesus, is it not one and the same?
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
This is exactly what we say. But U people insist that Islam is superior and Allah is superior.
By the way, mr. Sayyed, why r u reporting messages for abuse when u r unable to answer. The topic i am referring to is Islam.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
U have not clarified the point but r going round the bush.Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].This is exactly what I am pointing out. I have quoted from ur quotes. Why did Mohammad kiss the black stone when idol worship is banned.
U mention of the circumambulation round the Kaaba and everyone knows it. But again where in quran is it mentioned to run around the kabba 7 times and that this is pleases Allah??? Please help in the verses bcoz u have been quoting from the Quran. Give the verse. and do not report this for abuse if u r sincere.
U r coping fro some website all the quotes. When I ask you to clarify, u run away from the board and report for abuse. It is clear u have nothing to say on this.
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by babar on Jul 30, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
I dont know Vikas why you are repeatedly asking this question..surely for some mischief later on.Open your mind to reality.Further i am not aware about Muhammad (PBUH)had kissed the black stone .But the significance of black stone is that it has come from heaven and is very rare.So even if it is kissed and kissed by million who go on Haj does not make a difference .Probably it is not so called Islamic terrorism or fundamentalism..So a common sense will agree that it is not as worshipping.
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by babar on Jul 30, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
Ismail Syed and Chora Chichora...leave it now dont answer them back..they have madeup a mindset and its hard for them to realise the facts from now on as they relate ebverything to terrorism and killings..This gives them an opportunity to coverup the limitations in their religions.They may give you hundred and one explanations none of them making sense and still insist that they are right.There were these sort of people even at times of Muhammmad(PBUH)some of them came to light while others stayed back.Our duty even religious is to tell them rest is upto them..but what hurts is the abuse they make against Islam and our Prophet(PBUH)for whom this universe was created..and they take an immense pleasure of hurting the muslim sentiments nowadays..they themselves are at fault and these message boards are made to spread hatered than to discuss something constructive..When you go to some kashmiri news paper site and paste the articles related to atrocities in kashmir by indian army then rediff is fast to respond and delete the messages but when there is an abuse against Islam..the message is their to be read by millions..and here we go with the largest democracy in world
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
Mr Sayyed, Answer CHORA CHICHORA.
Who is true muslim you or him with reason. U have been talking of Islam being peaceful.U have a revolt at hand.This exactly is the problem with Muslims. Can u still not see the truth???
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
4. Surah Ikhlas is the Touchstone of Theology. Similarly, any person or candidate who is called God cannot be accepted as the true God without verifying him with the touchstone. The touchstone of theology, that is study of God, is Surah Ikhlas chapter 112 of the Holy Qur%u2019an which says:"Say, %u2018He is Allah, The One and Only; Allah, The Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not Nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.%u2019%u2019%u2019(Al-Qur%u2019an 112:1-4] 5. Any candidate who passes the Acid test can be called God.Any candidate who claims to be God and fits in this four line definition, passes the Acid test, is entitled to be called God and worshipped as God.Suppose a lunatic says that Muhammad (pbuh) is God, (God forbid). Let%u2019s put him to the test of Surah Ikhlas. i. "Kul hu allah hu ahad" %u2013 Say He is Allah, The One and Only;Is Muhammad (pbuh) one and only? No! he was not the only messenger. There were many other messengers.ii. "Allah hus Samad" %u2013 Allah, The Eternal, Absolute;We know that Muhammad (pbuh) had to undergo many hardships. Though he was the mightiest messenger of God, he died at the age of 63 and was buried in Madeenah.iii. "Lam ya lid wa lam yulad" %u2013 He begetteth not Nor is He begotten; We know that he was born in Makkah and his parents were Abdullah and Aaminah. He even had several children e.g. Fatimah, Ibrahim (may Allah be pleased with them), etc.iv. "Wa lam ya kullahu kufuwan ahad" %u2013 And there is none like unto Him.Though all the Muslims love and revere the Pro
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
;We know that Muhammad (pbuh) had to undergo many hardships. Though he was the mightiest messenger of God, he died at the age of 63 and was buried in Madeenah.iii. "Lam ya lid wa lam yulad" %u2013 He begetteth not Nor is He begotten; We know that he was born in Makkah and his parents were Abdullah and Aaminah. He even had several children e.g. Fatimah, Ibrahim (may Allah be pleased with them), etc.iv. "Wa lam ya kullahu kufuwan ahad" %u2013 And there is none like unto Him.Though all the Muslims love and revere the Prophet (pbuh) and are supposed to follow each and every of his commandments, yet you will not find a single Muslim in the whole world, who in his senses will ever say that Muhammad (pbuh) is God. The Islamic Creed is, "La illaha illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah", which means that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah. This is repeated five times a day during the call for prayer, so that the Muslims are reminded daily that although they respect and obey him, he is only a Messenger and servant of God, and not God Himself.6. Verify the Gods you worship.Now that we have explained to you how to use the touchstone of theology it is the duty of everyone to verify with this touchstone, whether the gods that they worship are true or false.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
3. Purity of Gold is not verified by calling it by different names in different languages but rubbing it against a Touchstone. In the same way, gold can be called sona in Hindi, gold in English, dhahaba in Arabic. Inspite of knowing all these different names for gold, if a person wants to sell you his gold jewellery and says this is 24 carat pure sona, you will not blindly believe, without verifying it with a goldsmith. The goldsmith confirms whether it is gold or not with the help of a touchstone. The yellow glittering jewellery may not be gold, because all that glitters is not gold
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 02:03 PM Permalink
1. To Allah belongs the Most Beautiful Names The Glorious Qur%u2019an says in Surah Isra chapter 17 verse 110 "Say: %u2018Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.%u2018" [Al-Qur%u2019an 17:110]
You can call Allah by any name, but it should be a beautiful name,should not conjure up a mental picture, and should have qualities that only Allah possesses.
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by vimal bhasin on Jul 30, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
How true.U have shown where u ur brain is.Hanging btween ur two legs. God is same whether Allah, Ram or Jesus, Just like water. But if u compare Urine and water it will b different.
And who says the touchstone is Surah. This is where difference btw Urine and water arises.
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by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
thats what hindusism says u can call god by any name and worship ram , krishna , hari , bcos hinduism says gfod is there in all of us even in human beings and even in animals "THOU ARt That " "TAMTATVAMASI" if i am not wrong this word is used to indicate that thats why hindus dont bel in converting rather ecach person can stick to his religion and realise god that what swami vivekannanda said in americ a about 100 yrs ago hende we r not intersted in conversion nor incresing the numbers
RE:Islam
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Regarding the black stone, Hajr-e-Aswad, Umar the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), said:"I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (peace be upon him) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].Thus, it is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
Idol worship is disallowed in Islam.But why did Mohammad kiss this stone when he cleared the Kaaba of all other idols.Bcoz it was believed to have fallen from Heaven. Secondly, u r wrong when u say muslims stand on that stone. It is placed on the Kaaba & this is the place from where muslims begin what Mr. Sayyed calls the circumambulation round the Kaaba. So, The Kaaba is a stone building covered with a black tarp. On this is the black stone (in a silver enclosure)that apparently broke upon impact. I would say this amounts to idol worship but muslims may disagree. It is a matter of personal belief and faith.
But again where in quran is it mentioned to run around the kabba 7 times and that this is pleases Allah???
RE:Islam
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Mr.Sethi,Everything is recorded in our Holy Quran & Hadiths about it.You can get in the market everything easily in your language.Muslims never worshipped anyone other than Allah.Some of our holy places are visited b'coz pilgrims wants to get the feel of it.Islam is monotheism religion & it is a fact.
RE:RE:Islam
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
U have not clarified the point but r going round the bush.Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].This is exactly what I am pointing out. I have quoted from ur quotes. Why did Mohammad kiss the black stone when idol worship is banned.
U mention of the circumambulation round the Kaaba and everyone knows it. But again where in quran is it mentioned to run around the kabba 7 times and that this is pleases Allah??? Please help in the verses bcoz u have been quoting from the Quran. Give the verse. and do not report this for abuse if u r sincere.
U r coping fro some website all the quotes. When I ask you to clarify, u run away from the board and report for abuse. It is clear u have nothing to say on this.
RE:RE:Islam
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
mr ismail u have read the koran pls do not take or give any excuse that it is written in koran so and so pls reply to vilkas if u have an answer or u can say that u will come back later with an answer whats ur problem in accepting thing u dont know
RE:RE:Islam
by Srini on Jul 30, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
Mr Sayyed,If we read and interpret Islam from the book available in our language in the market, than you would cry hoarse that the interpretation is wrong and the original arabic verse is different. So don't ever suggest local translations and cry hoarse over its interpretation.
RE:RE:RE:Islam
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
Mr Srini,everything is easily available in the market.But what one need is Open mind to read it.You People have been brought up hating Islam.So it will take time for your mind to accept the fact.First Clean your mind,remove all the hatred & then read it without any Bias.Inshallah You will Know the Fact.Facts are always Hard to Digest.Mind u!!
RE:RE:RE:Islam
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
are srini have u seen that below their is no reply button how clever of the moderator sayyed is beating about the bush he has not yet ansewerd the question of vikas regarding calrification keeps repeating that it is available in books if that is the case why he is in this form explainingh about islam i think what u said is right he may b coping some verse form net and pasting it in hinuism whenever a new thing comes in religion or any other form there is heavy dbate but here he is not ready for that but keeps parroting t.
a;so note its intersting that its ablack stone fallen from heaven who saw taht ? i dont know but its balck and not white , yellow or green or any other clour and if u r aware what is shivalinga stone its black
