RE:KNOW YOUR RELIGION SCIENTIFICALY
by Guruji on Jul 30, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
The rishis never discovered these facts. there was a high tech civilization earliernd everything lost ( may due to global warming or nuclear war ) and perhaps some records might left in India or rishis knew bt this from their ancetors and they written down everything.
RE:OH MY GOD !!
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
MR.CHORA CHICHORA, the person who wrote that was not a Christian but the world renowned Rationalist Dr. A.T. Kovoor. There are similar matters in respect of other religions also in that book. Have you visited the site www.faithfreedom.org by Dr. Ali Sina? Pl accept his challenge and earn USD 50000 if you can prove him wrong!
RE:RE:OH MY GOD !!
by Sarath Chandra on Jul 30, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
JGN, I'd like you to visit my blog page probabilityisgod.rediffiland.com, and would appreciate any comments. I've been gaining a lot (of interesting knowledge) from your references and would like to continue that.
RE:RE:RE:OH MY GOD !!
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
Dear Sarath, I could not access your blog. Please let me know the URL or you may mail to me at jgn190@rediffmail.com
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by biz Narayan on Jul 30, 2007 05:08 PM Permalink
The truth is some fools have convinced some fanatics that they have a public book !
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by biz Narayan on Jul 30, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Allah didn;t send any books. The books is a political ideology which Islam caught with both hands. Ignore these frauds and stop waging jehad.
I have no issue though if you wage jehad, for sickularists would appreciate you and publish you in rediff.
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by biz Narayan on Jul 30, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
One reason why sickularists consider Islam ( as in this article) a valid excuse is that in colonial times the fanatics had issue of books. The semitic religions had a book and politics revolved around it. This is verymuch ingrained into the sociologist mindset, a reason Sheela Bhat never sked why hindu could feel uncomfortable with the imposition of book politics.
RE:RE:RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by biz Narayan on Jul 30, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
The issue of book is a political ideology. It was used to define political states, a reason why Pakisthan could be considered viable by the pundits of empire. I am immune to abuse, for this is time one must prepare for worst tha abuse .
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by Sarath Chandra on Jul 30, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
Islam is without doubt, in its present form, a political ideology. The messages below clearly show that many muslims want the shariah law implemented (which is based on quran/hadiths). So it can no longer be considered a religion; it is a political ideology. Other religions don't use their holybooks for law and order.
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, the Allah described in The Koran seems to be more vengeful than a mafia don! Will any creator punish his creations if he is compasionate and merciful? If I don't believe in Allah or God, it is the fault of Allah or God. Why he did not make me a believer?
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
There is no text in the Qur%u2019an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the revelation that was sent to India. Since the names of the Vedas or other Hindu scriptures are no where to be found in Qur%u2019an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure that they were the revelations of God. They may be the revelation of God or may not be the revelation of God.6.Even if the Veda was the word of God today you have to follow the Qur%u2019an.Even if the Vedas and the other scriptures were the revelations from God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. Today all human beings through out the world including India should only follow the last and final Revelation of God, i.e. the Qur%u2019an. Moreover since all the previous revelations were not meant to be followed for eternity, Almighty God did not preserve them in their original form. There is not a single religious scripture of any of the major religions which claims to be the word of God and has maintained its pure original text and is free from alteration, adulteration and interpolation. Since the Glorious Qur%u2019an is to be followed for eternity, Allah (swt) has taken upon Himself to maintain its original purity and guard it from corruption.
RE:RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
interesting mr ismail ".Even if the Vedas and the other scriptures were the revelations from God, they were only meant for people of that time and were to be followed only for that particular period of time. " that same thing can be said of quran why ;;not follow the indian law if u r an indian and if u r from pakis tan folow pakistan law why follow quran
RE:RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by vasu_erfolg on Jul 30, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
I am sure oure friend Ismail Sayyed will qualify to be admitted to a lunatic assylum. Which is also the place where the "profit" rightfully belonged.
RE:RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
Mr.Ismail Sayyed, the Prophet was a power hungry individual and the so-called revealations from Allah were his concoctions to keep his folks under control (whether with the rewards awaiting them in heaven or the punishments in hell).
Why should any body believe that the so-called revealations were from the Gods except for the claim of The Prophet? Is there any witness to that? Why the god revealed the same only to The Prophet? If God wanted to reveal anything for the whole mankind, it would have been revealed for all to see (like the sunlight)
RE:RE:RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by Abid Ahmad Gani on Jul 30, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
JGN ,If you are a christian then u must be knwing that Gabriel (Hazrat Gibreel)used to come or reveal itself with the message from Allah in some contexts or situations wherein Prophet Muhammad didnt know what to do?This signifies two things one that prophet Muhammad (PBUH)was just a messanger of Allah ,a human being with no special powers.Second it tells us that quran was revealed upon him and is not his own subject. further Islam does not believe in the thoery of god having comew on earth in form of an animal or a man.Then certainly that shows that god has limited powers to come to earth ,so firstly god comes himself and that too in any other form.A common sense will tell why god will use such a way to reveal himself.We musilms say that there is one god and he is not born to anyone nor has anyone born to him ,he does not sleep nor is he helpless.This signifies that God has no son and that God "ALLAH "has all the powers.In this phrase it is irrespective of the time we live in because God is going to be the same in every era.
RE:If Allah has sent His books and revelations in every period, then which revelation was sent to India? Can we consider the Vedas and other Hindu scriptures to be the word of God?
by Sarath Chandra on Jul 30, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
Muhammad did not know about Hinduism/Buddhism and other such because they are geographically too far from him. Obviously, what allah knows is what muhammad knows.
RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Suppose an experienced teacher, before the final examinations, predicts that a particular student will fail in the exams, since the student is very mischievous, not attentive in class and does not do his homework. If after the student appears for the examination, he fails, who is to be blamed for the student failing: the teacher or the student? Just because the teacher predicted, it does not mean that the teacher is to be blamed but the student himself is responsible for his failure.
Similarly Allah (swt) knows in advance that there are some people who are bent on rejecting the faith and Allah has put a seal on their hearts. Thus these non-Muslims themselves are responsible for rejecting the faith and not Allah (swt).
RE:RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect, even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations. The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.
RE:RE:RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail, your claim is contractory to historical facts. There are no coptic christians in Saudi Arabia at present. You have just copied a portion of Dr. Zakir Naik's website without ascertaining the facts. As for India, the fact is as under:
Policy of Muslim rulers in India - The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions language, places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda were totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, there is no proof that god exists. The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaries and are no more serious than Gulliver's Travels or Aesop's Fables. If there is any god and he wanted the whole mankind to follow one particular religions, there would not have any number of religions and gods!
All the religions and the corresponding gods have outlived their utility. So it would be better for the whole humanity if we all stop fighting in the name of non-existant gods and so-called revealations.
RE:RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
Who Says that God do not exists.God is everywhere.you can feel His presence everywhere.you think our world is functioning b'coz of us humans.No,my dear we human are so bad that even we would had charged money for basic facilities like air,water & sun.We all human are so materialistic.God is there & you can feel Him everywhere in the Nature.Miracles of the Nature is the easiest sign of God.Believe in God & you will get eternal Bliss in these life as well as hereafter.Take care.
RE:RE:RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, all the progress made by mankind is through sheer hard work of dedicated individuals. The God did not make the transportation systems, water supply & sewerage systems, residential townships, etc.
You all have been taught from childhood onwards about the rewards awaiting in heaven. Have you ever thought those who fought bravely alongside the Prophet still lies buried (even after almost 1400 years) and none of them have got any of those rewards!!!! How long do they have to wait for availing all those rewards?
All religions teaches about the life here-after, but none of them is teaching how to live on mother earth! I have read somewhere in The Koran that "this life is a time-pass" If that is so, why all those hatred for fellow humanbeings in the name of religions, gods, etc?
RE:RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by biz Narayan on Jul 30, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
Ismail, why don't you people say the same thing to Sheela Bhat when she wants a sickular excuse ? If not, then why the teacher logic is no fraud ? Asides why a terrorist, a fixation etc would bea teacher ?
Learn these difficult things from India instead of parroting gods kingdom like a dirty politician.
RE:RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Mr. Sayyed, All Ur arguments are self defeating. Why kill non muslims then if Allah knows they will not change. Therefore, this whole Jihad itself is against Allah.
Why then u insist that Indians follow Shariah? Below u mention, muslims do not Follow Sharia in Criminal law in India bcoz it will give unfair advantage to non muslims over muslims (with cut hands and feet, lashings, beheading). If Alla knows everything, as he is God, he surely would have known that non muslims will not follow sharia and if inspite of this he still asked Muslims to follow Sharia (& btw muslims not following it giving excuses of non muslims is against Allah%u2019s order to you) then that ONLY means that he wanted to give advantage to non muslims over muslims. Why did he favor non Muslims then. Probably bcoz ur Allah also likes non muslims more than Muslims. There can be no other reasoning.
Further, if nothing moves without Allah's will, and all non muslim countries r more prosperous, happy & forward moving than Muslim countries, it must be Allah's will. And they have prospered due to Allah's support. Again, it shows, Allah favours the Non Muslims. Accept the facts as they r crystal clear.
RE:When a Brahmin was arrested
by Bhaumik on Jul 31, 2007 08:36 AM Permalink
Why don't you say ' when a "Hindu" was arrested' ?, instead of a "Brahmin" was arrested?
How is that most articles on Islam miss islam fundamentialism and the organizational aspect ? While the same is exxagerated over and over for hindus - people who dodn't have their temples with themselves? How is that always it turns out to be a fraud case of Islamic people under attack....
Thanks to Sonia Madame, Sheela Bhat thinks IB wouldn't do the blasts because IB doesn't support communalism. But Sheela Bhat may be communal be communal for which she couldn't convince this lawyer that IB didn't do the blasts.
I feel bad at thought that this could have been a hindu fundamentalist. What rage Sheela Bhat would have gone through.
You sickularists give justice, reservation and space to tabligh jamat and minorities, just don't interfere in hindu affairs.
Sickularism was supposed to be without religion. Sheela Bhat however takes up religious identities as justification ? Any surprises here ? What does the sociologist say ? Burrow from standard colonial stuff ?
RE:Imagine Sheela Bhat's outrage if a hindu fundamentalist was interviewed
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Mr.Narayan,First learn the spelling of secularism.U r typing it as 'sickularist'.first know the spelling & then Comment on it.Use your common sense & read the books availaible for proper analysis.Certainly you will come to know the Fact.Facts are always Hard to digest!! Mind You!!
RE:Imagine Sheela Bhat's outrage if a hindu fundamentalist was interviewed
by Maverick R on Jul 30, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
Securalists are sick. they are more dangerous than fantics, coz they support fanatics because they belong to minority. In india Secularism means minority appeasement or bashing the majorities, the same is aooposite in any other countries, thats why we call the secularists "Sickularists"
