RE:Reveal of Kafeel's online
by abdul zahed on Jul 23, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
No he just registered for PhD but his PhD is not complete. Kindly accept it and change the notation. Ratish is correct and rightlky raised the issue.
Even after fully knowing Kafeel did the barbaric act, our media is reporting as: " when he allegedly drove a burning SUV into the airport terminal there on June 30. "
well the problem is not the religion, but problem is our thinking, whether it is hindu god, muslim`s god, or christans, noone teaches what we all are doing today, first we should learn to respect each other religion, terrorist doesn't belong to any religion but if he belongs to our religion we should not protect him or her.
we have to stand by truth, that is the only way to move towards peace
RE:religion is not the problem
by Jay on Jul 21, 2007 06:31 AM Permalink
Completely wrong! There is a fundamental problem in Islam. Islam clearly says that %u201CThere no other go except Allah%u201D. All other gods are dummy or false. So a true Muslim cannot respect any Kafir (non believer in Allah and Koran). Islam also says that worshipping Idol is a sin. As per Islam, all Hindus are sinners. So how does anybody expect Muslims to respect Hindus? That is the reason why Muslim invaders destroyed Hindu temples. And Muslims insists that their book had come from god and no scope to update with time. As long as this thinking persists, there is no peace between Muslims and non-Muslims.
RE:RE:religion is not the problem
by abdul zahed on Jul 23, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
You got the concept wrong, my brother. Islam is a religion of peace and high moral valures. It teaches one to hate sins not a person indeed. All the messengers on the eath baught the same message. One should not hate a human being but the evil/sin in him. if anyone wants to stay back with sin and harms a good human being then a good man has to protect himself. A good religiuos man always loves the humanity because it is devine creature of God. A person who kills someone on the name of God is a real fool and no religion teach this. Indirectly he dont follow any religion.
RE:religion is not the problem
by Abdu Razik on Jul 18, 2007 09:24 AM Permalink
Absolutely correct. no religion asks to kill anyone. criminals are criminals, they don't have religions. if they follow any religion, they won't do any criminal activity.
RE:religion is not the problem
by Gaurav Sharma on Jul 18, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
Good to hear some sane voices in these forums at last... It is a fact that no religion preaches hate. It is important that the "Thekedars" of the religion are taught to refrain from inciting the masses for their individual gain...
RE:religion is not the problem
by ajit achuthan on Jul 18, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
I am sorry to disagree with you guys. Infact, most of the religions teach/preach that their religion is superior to others and hence its their duty to convert the people who follow wrong path to the right one. If that is the case, how a religious person can respect other religion? Isn't that this fundamental notion of the religion root cause of dividing people and eventually nourish terrorism?
RE:religion is not the problem
by Common Man on Jul 18, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
I shall recommend your name to the cleric of the local mosque in our area for the friday sermon. And I am sure if you preach there, you sure shall have some fatwa against you.
RE:religion is not the problem
by abdul zahed on Jul 23, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
This is just your false illusion. Sometime go and talked to the cleric of local mosque or just go to mosque, you find the difference on your own. They follow the religion and are good ppl. Just try it at least ones.
Please understand that there is a basic difference between what is done by a Muslim and what is "Islamic". Islamic is what is taught in the Qur'an and the sayings and acts of the prophet PBUH...What is done by a Muslim cannot be said to be 100% an act condoned and qualified (i.e. taught) by Islam... e.g. It is said in the Qur'an that anyone who kills a person other than as a punishment for spreading mischief and riot in the land or other similar punishable offences , then it is as though he has killed the entire humanity. and whoever saves the life of a human being it is as though he has saved the entire humanity...Qur'an says that.
These evil people in indian society are the beneficiaries of Indian government funds and protection. Shame on Dr. Shing's leadership.. Shame on Congress! .. look at the common people in the country.. they are still struggling every day for bread and butter.. these ministers support terrirists and all other anti social elements and make more and more "Crores" to flurish their family, childern and enjoy their life in Government Banglow
It wasnt a surprise what Haneef was doing on the Net. Net is the easiest source of information. Rediff stop making these uselss stories now! Coming back to the topic- the Indian Govt isn't worth fighting this menace of terrorism. Reason is simple - they still dont know what is terrorism, whether they are fighting it or not, whether this is a war or a combat. The West may not be right either. America cant deny the fact that it has its policies screwed up, and I am not talking of Isreal here. God bless them. I am talking of supporting those regimes which are now becoming a headache to manage. Can they deny there support to Iran-Iraq war, Russian rule in Afghan and current Pakistani terrorism defence? But then that world was different. The world divided into 2 blocks (NAM was the silliest idea anyway). But here we have a war, which is not for land, not for money, but for ideology. It is silly, but thats the way Muslims are braishwashed. Right from there birth they are given doses of Allah, Quran and all that stuff which gives unquestioned faith. And then, they live in ghettos, dont allow anyone in the social space. With the bakra govt that we have, no one questions any thing, and the result is unchallenged youth who have been thoroughly brainwashed. Think of it, even docs, engg.. its really scary. The person next to you in IIT could be a potential terrorst! The way out is to fight this ideology head-on. And the best can be done by liberal Mulsims(if any). Jaago Muslim bhaiyya
RE:Haneef & Co.
by vamsi aswadhati on Jul 18, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
Thats a fine analysis of the problem Mr. Screwed up foreign policies of America are the root cause of all the issues around the globe.The other day i was shocked to watch a youtube video where a 13 yr old muslim girl is saying that they were thought abt jihad in the school and they can die for sake of religion it seems .. what kind of preachings are these? Innocent muslim children and educated youth are getting influenced by those preachings.. Govt's are directly responsible for this. Its their duty to provide good education and lead the youth of the country. Its high time now.. Eradicate poverty and create jobs. Encourage small scale industries.. Indian govt will only react if there is a major terrorist attack. What happend in london and glosgow was spine chilling.. young professionals.... qualified doctors.. too bad.. this looks like a real war.. dunno when this is gonna end.. God Bless the innocent people who are suffering ..
RE:RE:Kashmir
by on Jul 18, 2007 06:00 AM Permalink
It was prime minister's beloved Edwina Mountbatten who asked him to go international with Kashmir issue.... and that guy didnt used his brain.
RE:Kashmir
by anuv kumar on Jul 18, 2007 06:36 AM Permalink
I wonder 50 years down the line, majority Indians will still think of JLN with such reverence as they do now...
RE:Kashmir
by sachin arora on Jul 18, 2007 07:42 AM Permalink
to look at it we have been ruled by another family who have time and again played with emotions of the common man and concepts such as garibi hatao, hindu muslim bhai bhai, god knows what else...and all our history books are fabricated and all they talk about is gandhi and more of gandhi.mahatama gandhi was the only one worth respecting and all other gandhis with this name have had no sense of reality . they r byproducts of british education and come with the same perspective and whims as did the original "kohinoor robbers". they may have had good intentions but thats precisely why we have lost all our post independence wars. the army may have won us the wars but our political leadership with the only agenda of being morally right and standing on higher ground than rest of the world (in public) and god knows what nonsense (in private) has let us down time and again. gandhi left our politics infected with moral higher ground bacteria, and sadly the country has been infected. to be like gandhi u need to be one not just quote him which is why we lost and continue to lose. and all the non gandhis who pretend to be a gandhi do is build universities and roads and what not in their name so that this infection never dies. a recent example was the arrogance shown by that chotu gandhi who again is desi converted into british ( funny how these gandhis still think british education is imp and a qualification for ruling india- have we really become independent??) in UP elections where he
RE:Kashmir
by indiman on Jul 18, 2007 08:33 AM Permalink
The real Kashmir insurgency didnt start till the elections were rigged in 1989. That was the real turning point in the Kashmir. Now we blame the Kashmiris for fighting us eh.
RE:Kashmir
by Ravikumar Parthasrathy on Jul 18, 2007 07:26 AM Permalink
It is absolutely true. JN did not use his brains because he did not have any. Just look at the family...Nehru collected wealth by his `industrialized' nation idea and on his death gave his wealth to his daughter and had his ashes spread over the country... how cinematic? His daughter nationalized Maruti motors, (started by her son and accumulated losses exceeding 200 crores) to change a family dept into a national dept.The family has plundered us. Yet they manage to dole out favors to the key `influencers' to be made as the hope of the country.
RE:Kashmir
by Bhupinder Singh on Jul 18, 2007 07:31 AM Permalink
we need new set of leadership based on innovation , responsiblity and participation of all communities in india,, have any india gut to sacrifice their life for country,,, india is big problematic regiion,, who can solve the problems of india,,, ,, it is nehru fault,,yes, what who is fualt now,, see whole country is mess without any sigle leader, all poeple political leader are baking their own roti in their own state,, it is deplorable,,,
RE:Kashmir
by anuv kumar on Jul 18, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
but whats the point of just complaining all the time. we (including myself) do nothing to change the circumstances. Infact if you even tried, the system wont let u survive. unless the majority started thinking what was right and encorced it - no matter what, things will not change. its too difficult for 1 person to stand up and protest. all others (not neccesarily only politicians) around him will pull him down. Maybe I am not brave, but I cant change anything on my own. And i dont see a group of people (call me pessimistic but even a 100 is a very short number and doesnt make a difference in India with its over a billion people) who are trying to do something so I can join them and atleast try to make a difference. And then I feel whats the point of complaining and blaming others when I cant change even myself.
