Muslim terroists dont have any country sentements.They will kill all citizens with same glee, even if they are his own countrymen in the conventional sense.
It is time the world realises that and stop focusing on countries and focus on muslim terrorists.
The moderate islamic community themselves need to get actively involved in formulating a reporting helpline for its youngsters to report on abnormal activities taking place in their vicinity/ among friends.
The close friends/ wife of these terrorists might have had some sspicion earlier, but they would have found it much easier if they could talk anonymously to a muslim elder.It is a constructive way to prevent further carnage.
"Presumed innocent till proven guilty"... if you hold this principle close to heart, then it's clear that this man's rights have just been blatantly violated... Held without charge, then granted bail, only to now be detained and have his visa cancelled - even if he's found innocent in future, he will be deported! Why, what's the crime? The Indian Govt should push their Aussie counterparts to treat him fairly, as they would one of their own...
RE:Rule of Law
by akash on Jul 16, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
Australia is free country. It can decide its own laws and administer it. It has all the freedom in the world to decide who to allow to enter or live in that country, considering who them think is safe person.
Engaging in that freedom is not 'Injustice'. Actually, we, Indians should stay away from advising them on what to do or not to do.
We, do not have 'the right'to force any other country to allow Indians to live in that country.
The Indian Muslims are long spoiled by politicians like Sonia and Manmohan, who would bend backwards to please the Muslims to get the Muslim votes. And Muslims have started to think that they demand anything from anybody in the world.
RE:RE:Rule of Law
by hiral joshi on Jul 16, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
You are right. Aus govt is concerned about the safety of the public in their country. The did release other detainees within 2-3 days. Haneef issue has been politicised by India to make it big hype. If he is not guilty, he will be released soon.
Sunnis are responsible for majority of the terrorist activities happening in the world. They even killed the prophet's descendants. What do you expect from them. They have hijacked Islam and have caused terrible damages to its image.
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by Abbas Rumani on Jul 16, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
:) Abbas Kudrati Do you know who invented Sucide Bombing? As far as i know the first act of sucide bombing was in Lebnon agaonst Israli and by Shia. Therefore i request you please don't start shia sunni fight here. we have already have enough issues to fight on there is no need for new one.
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by imran on Jul 16, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Dear Brother this is not a time to fight for shia or sunni this is the time for unity people like u only damage the image of ISLAM
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by Moo Glee on Jul 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Let him speak the truth dear, donot ever panic of truth. What he says is true, Sunnis are responsible for terrorism. Sunnis have killed more Iraqis in the war than US.
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by Moo Glee on Jul 16, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Dont take special cases. Nazis, Communists, Muslims - all come under same category; either follow them or die, cuz they are always right. They never believe(d) in the "other" ways of truth.
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by imran on Jul 16, 2007 04:08 PM Permalink
y REdiff is Allowing Idiot And Ba.... People like u to have Debate.u Fu.........
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by Abbas Kudrati on Jul 16, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
I do not want to debate Islam with non-muslim kaffirs like you sunnis
RE:RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by Moo Glee on Jul 16, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
He has a point dude. Look at the history of Islam, and you will see how these Sunnis spoiled the heritage of Muhammed, twisted his words, broke his monuments, etc.
RE:Sunnis are damaging the image of Islam
by Chinmoy Nandi on Jul 16, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
what do u mean? this time is only want to respect for all religion. not only Islam. for all religion. i hope u would respect 4 all religion
RE:Christian
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
But then, he wouldn't have provided support to terrorists, either. In fact, that way, the incident would not have happened at all.
RE:Christian
by Akram on Jul 16, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
dont be hasty in putting comments. I dont think Australian Govt or people are so biased as you are thinking. I certainly beleive John Howard is a better ruler than Modi who involved in fake encounters for raising his popularity
RE:RE:Christian
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
If modi has done it, it is for raising security, not popularity. anyway, sohrabuddin was not exactly a role model for the public, was he?
RE:Christian
by Akram on Jul 16, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
killing sohrabuddin as for his criminal activity can be justified. But MODI claimed he was on a mission to kill him that makes the difference. A petty criminal is not a hardcore terrorist, his muslim name made the task easy to label him terrorist and kill him thru encounter.
a person involve in riots and kill public is considered criminal and other who bombs is terrorists
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Akram on Jul 16, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
terrorism should be dealt strongly and people involved in those activities should be hanged in public also should be the people involved in riots killing hundreda of people and damaging properties
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
Yes, especially those who burn women and children alive in a train bogie.
RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Akram on Jul 16, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
yes they should be punished i agree, but what about Rioters who with the support of police burned people they should be given bharat ratna since he is a hindu
RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by on Jul 16, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
I think we are failing to see the big picture here. Its not Muslim or Hindu or Christian. Its the fact that we are Indians, and despite all our faults/ religious idiosyncracies and all the stupid things we do for it, in the end we all come together. A good example is the voting of the Taj Mahal.
I feel very sad that Haneef's cousin's have now branded Indians as terrorists whatever the reason religion or otherwise. Of the many fantastic achivements that we have got, and the wonderful names that accompany it, now stands the shame of being called a country where International terrorists come from.
Why could this guys do something for the betterment of India rather than bringing it one or two pegs down.
RE:RE:RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Well, i don;t think he made a bad name for India. He did not commit this act for India. He did it for islam. He was least bothered about india. So, we indians need not feel ashamed of his acts as they have resulted from his association with islam and not india.
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by RR on Jul 16, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Look at the australian govt. just supporting a terrorist in whatever simplest manner is a big crime and amounted to 15 yrs jail, here the govt says it cld not sleep, hey govt. of India you are still sleeping, enough of the kumbakarna sleep, wake up, learn something from the Australian govt. atleast dont allow any suspect to go scotfree, dont thing susspect to be innocent without any thorough investigation, what right you have got to ask the other govt. to share information to you when you are still sleeping.
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by natamkar ahmed on Jul 16, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
If any body kills the muslim is not terrorist. If any muslim kill the person who tried to kill him is a terrorist. prathamesh dalvi if i meet u thats ur last day judgement day.. bye dear..
RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
if you are referring to the terrorists, then yes, anybody who kills terrorists is not a terrorist. Thanks for accepting that terrorism = islam.
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by ASHRAF NATHER on Jul 16, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
Dear Prathamesh,
without knowing anything dont give comments, okay. first of all he is not terrorist. His cousins are terrorist. when he was working in UK, he was using Sim Card then he moved to australia for better opportunity. he has given his sim card to his cousin. His cousin is misuse his card.
I will accept that Mr.Kafeel and sabeel is terrorist. not haneef. mind your word prathamesh.
Haneef is innocent that why indian govt is supporting Haneef, not kafeel or sabeel.
RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Mr Ashraf, haneef would have been a participant for sure. AS per the reports, kafeel and sabeel were hardliners for a long time. If haneef lived with them, how could he be so innocent? Even their family background is full of hatred. Don't tell me he didn't have any idea of what was going on at all.
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by kiainth on Jul 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
He created bad name for India. Even Indian muslim can not be trusted in the World. Not all but most of the Muslims are supporting terrorisam. This is very unfortunate and so called we secular people have no word to comment !
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by natamkar ahmed on Jul 16, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
your intension is to hang only muslim terrorist or all muslims.Idiot this is not fair ok..
RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Akram on Jul 16, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
but people like kaushik support and fund organizations that involves in riots and kill people and claim others to be supporters of terror.
RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by natamkar ahmed on Jul 16, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
if u disturb muslim they will disturb u thats name is revenge our powerful word is JIHAD the revenge cannot be a terrorist. If u people kill the muslims we are not idiot to bear everything
RE:RE:RE:hang all muslim terrorists
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
hey, but WE are the ones against terrorism, not you. YOU commit acts of terrorism on innocent people, so it cannot be considered revenge. And revenge for what? palestine? well, Jews deserve it first. YOU are the ones who started the trouble. Same with all other acts of terrorism that YOU started, sometimes without any provocation like in godhra.
RE:whatever be the case
by Moo Glee on Jul 16, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
History started when islam started. These morons claim all lands, comfortably putting their date lines. Best example is kashmir which was abode of saraswati peeth and many temples. The muslim kings destroyed and converted many hindus forcibly, killing the rest. Now they claim Kashmir is muslim land. Beware of these real kafirs and infidels. Yes, infidelity to Allah's dictums - killing innocents.
RE:whatever be the case
by LO VE Me on Jul 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
lol.. did u guys introspect when the many hindus killed innocent muslims in gujarat and mumbai riots... we didnt blame hinduism for that.. we blamed politics... if i name myself ramesh or ram and behead an innocent man saying 'Jai Shri Krishna', would that make hinduism a violent relgion??? Please answer this if you have the courage.. and if at all you do interospect.. which according to you, muslims dont...
RE:hang this terrorists
by ASHRAF NATHER on Jul 16, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
without knowing anything dont give comments, okay. first of all he is not terrorist. His cousins are terrorist. when he was working in UK, he was using Sim Card then he moved to australia for better opportunity. he has given his sim card to his cousin. His cousin is misuse his card.
I will accept that Mr.Kafeel and sabeel is terrorist. not haneef. mind your word prathamesh.
Haneef is innocent that why indian govt is
supporting Haneef, not kafeel or sabeel.
his mistake is he has given his sim card to his cousin
RE:RE:hang this terrorists
by ASHRAF NATHER on Jul 16, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
Dear Prathamesh,
more over the australian authorist could not findout any involvement of Haneef with Terrorist group. just becoz the australian authorities detain him for 12 days. they have put some dummy case. becoz as per the australian law, they cannt hold for 12 days.
I was wondering if the same would have happened if he was a British os US citizen instead of asian/Indian. The charge is of having left a SIM card with his cousins while leaving UK(which many does when they have lots of contaracted period remaining on the card).I he had any knowledge of this card being used for terrorist activity or not is upto the legal system to determine. It is unfair that the Australian immigration minister brought in such a childish ploy to tap on the public's general anti-asian senetments in the aftermath of any terrorist incident, same as UK police trying repeatedly to get 6 months to question suspects without trial. At the same time one should note how two british girls arrested with drugs in possession in Ghana last week are potrayed in UK as innocent victims of international drug barons and are being visited by the bristish consular officials regularly. The Indian government should make its presence felt by ensuring a fair trial and finding the truth, rather than giving up on its citizens because they are accused by western powers of terrorist activity.Remember, all fair legal systems consider suspects innocent untill proven guilty and some sane thought of justice should be left behind even in this period of world wide terrorism.Otherwise there will be no difference between what terrorists do and what civilised societies do.Both will continue to invoke hatred.
RE:visa revoked
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
It is for this purpose itself that SIMs are non-transferrrable. Thus, it is still haneef's fault only. Can you give your passport to your cousin and then claim you didn't know he would use it?
RE:visa revoked
by Lekha Menon on Jul 16, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
well said. Totally agree with you. If Haneef is guilty, convict him by all means! But at least prove his guilt! Put him under survellance, keep tabs on his activities (it shouldnt' be difficult)...but it is unfair to detain him on flimsy charges! That's Western justice for you. Anyway, even if he is innocent, this stigma will haunt him for ever. Will he ever be able to lead a normal life? And his innocent, new born baby? C'mon the baby is no terrorist or friend of terrorist, is it? The fanatics of the world (white as well as brown), will never allow him to lead a peaceful life again. Which, if he is truly innocent, is a very sad thing to happen.
RE:RE:visa revoked
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:54 PM Permalink
Well, western justice is much better than indian justice system. They know he is a terrorist, so they screwed him. In india, by now, he would have claimed celebrity status by saying he is being framed because he is a muslim, and follow up with fighting the next elections and probably winning on the votes of his "islam in danger" kind of indian muslims.
RE:visa revoked
by asdf aa on Jul 16, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Unfortunately, freedom of speech is part of democratic traditions of India.We were told to shut up by British empire a long time ago,but we managed to throw them out 60 yeras ago, that too without blowing up their tube trains/airports.We will fight for justice till Haneef is proven guilty, because he is Indian, what ever his religion is.
RE:RE:visa revoked
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
No, we will not fight for a terrorist, because he is a muslim terrorist, whatever his country is. He is already getting justice.
RE:visa revoked
by Julian Martyn on Jul 16, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
I do agree with this. Haneef was tried first, since there was pressure from Human Rights groups asking the govt to release him as he was innocent, the Australian govt brought the case and when his appeal was heard and accepted, not knowing what to do, the Australian govt revolked his visa in Australia.
Will this be done to any other person in the world.
What action should our Indian govt take for those who cause crimes against innocent people especially child sex in tourist places, are they taken to task
RE:RE:visa revoked
by Kaushik Das on Jul 16, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
Well, that is nothing compared to the millions killed by muslims with money from oil in iraq and other places. What about the killings of the taliban? Is that non-significant because they are muslims? What US did in afghanistan is correct and justified. Not so for iraq, although saddam himslef killed more than tens of thousands of kurds. What is palestine? Isn't that the holy land mentioned in Bible, the jewish book written centuries before mohd came up with the quran? Aren't the muslims the ones killing jews in palestine / israel?
RE:visa revoked
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jul 16, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Imran - most of these killings are sectarian killings - Shias vs Sunnis vs Kurds.
RE:visa revoked
by Moo Glee on Jul 16, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
US didnot kill thousands, it is Sunni Iraqis killing hundreds daily. Wake up and read news, you know who are the killers.
RE:visa revoked
by asdf aa on Jul 16, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
well, then news for you, the london tube bombers were british citizens.Also, the shoe bomber is a white bristish male.Muslim terroists dont have any country sentements.They will kill all citizens with same glee.It is time the world realises that and stop focusing on countries and focus on muslim terrorists.The moderate islamic community themselves need to get actively involved in formulating a reporting helpline for its youngsters to report on abnormal activities taking place in their vicinity/ among friend.
RE:RE:visa revoked
by Gainers on Jul 16, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
i FEEL hanif is really a innocent pawn, having left his sim card with siblings is not a terrorism unless he is truely involved to help culprits, i believe Indian Government should interfere to find out the truth...IF HE IS INVOLVED IN ANY SUCH ACTIVITIES, LET HIM SUFFER BUT IF INNOCENTLY INVOLVED AS JUST BEING A COUSINE OF THOSE TERRORISTS, HE SHOULD BE ASSISTED...HE IS AN INDIAN AND INDIAN SHOULD NOT SUFFER FOR NOTHING WRONG...IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY
