DO NOT CRIB about Conversion or Terrorism if you are one of these -
Contemporary Hindu Imaginary Idealistic mentality -
1> Children of Hindu parents are stuffed up with Material Goals.
&nb sp; 1> beta bade hoke bohoth paisa aur naam kamao. ( Dear son you grow up and become a filthy rich man and be glorified with name and fame)
2> Agar thum is baar distinction mein paas ue tho hum mandir mein bhent chadayenge ( We'll make a owe that If you get distinction we'll make an offering in the temple)
3> Maharaj ji isse aashirvaad dijiye ke meri beti is baar dance competition mein first aaye. ( Requesting a saint to bless the child so that she win first prize in dance competition)
4> Ganesh ji ka stothr bolo beta, thumhari padhayi achchi hogi aur padhayi mein dhyan ayega (Chant Ganesh ji's Verses you will do good in your studies and will improve on concentration on studies)
5> Beta bade ho ke IAS karoge ya Engineer Doctor banoge ? (Dear son, do you want to do IAS or become doc /engineer when you grow up)
2> Adulthood of such children -
1> I have burnt the midnight oil to reach this position in my life, Its time to have fun !
2> Temple !!, no I'm happy with whatever shloka, that my mom taught me, I'm chanting infront of the Ganesh jis photo after taking bath in the evening !
3> May be it was leaders in the society who wanted to create some fear in the minds of public to stop them from commiting crime they came up with the idea of God !
RE:Those who complain about Conversion / Terrorism !!
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jul 14, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
Contd ...
4> Come on show me first if he exisits, show me one person who has seen God.
5> Kaliyuga is coming to end ( one of my colleagues told me this, he was shocked when I in turn told him Dwapara yuga ended just 5000 years ago and it has 3,60,000 years remaining)
6> Is it not funny to believe that God is blue in color? ( referring to Shri Krishna).
7> You must honestly serve your profession and that itself will give you Swarg (My childhood friend who is a Dentist now told me quoting his father).
8> Mere daad Swarg vaasi ho gaye, My Grandpa passed away is resting in heaven (Assuming that Swarg/ Heaven means immortality, but the scriptures say Swarg is just like another material planet with more lavish life but with death decease and oldage after which one will come back to earth)
9> I do not believe in God and all that, Chill its all imagination !
10> I believe in doing good and being good, there is no need of God here.
RE:Those who complain about Conversion / Terrorism !!
by SatyaMeva Jayate on Jul 15, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Pritish,
Vedas group charecters of individuals into three: 1. Satviga 2. Rajasa and 3. Tamasa Most of the points you have mentioned belong to type 3, i.e Tamasa.
For your point 4, Have you seen air? If you don't see, do you deny the existence of air?
For your point 6, Hinduism allows different ways of worshipping God. "Rupa" and "Arupa". "Rupa" means giving a shape, color and charecter. For example, Ram or Krishnan. "Arupa" means without any of these. There is some thing in between. That is like "Lingam". Depending on the maturity of the individual, he can choose the way he wants to worship. For example, Ramalinga Swamigal worshipped God in the form of divine light.
Regarding your point 8: Swarg and Moksha are different concepts. If your "Karma" (deeds) are noble, you reach Swarg. Swarg is not ultimate. Reaching and dissolving your soul with Paramatma is the Ultimate.
Your point 7: There are concepts like GYANA YOGA and KARMA YOGA. What you are talking about is KARMA YOGA. When you follow Karma Yoga, you may or may not believe in God. You do your duty conscientously. That is good enough. You do not need to believe in God, but still you can continue to be a Hind. That is the greatness of Hinduism.
I have one request to you and people like you. Please DO NOT start mudslinging with half baked knowledge. Try to get deeper knowledge or keep quiet.
The world affairs have taken a nasty turn in the past few decades with religions taking the centre stage. All kinds of crimes are committed in the name of religions and the the values of all religions preach are being eroded slowly. We are slowing turing in to beasts devoid of our sixth sense in leading a peaceful co existence and a helping humanity. What should be practiced as a individualistic belief within one's homes is being trumpeted on the streets with intolerant speeches. The worst affected religion now is islam and closely followed by others also. This is a dangerous trend for the humanity. They say scientifically the planet will be dead in few billion years with the sun dead and gone. It looks as if, we will finish it much much earlier than that with all our irresponsible behaviour. For God's sake- whatever name/form/practice that you attribute, keep faith to yourself. We have better things to take care in this world like natural calamities, environmental damage, poverty, disease etc. The world is in a haste for a wrong reason!!! Let us live and let live other humans also...
1) What a noble and kindhearted PM we have - his heart goes out even to the sufferings of the terrorists and their families.
We should therefore not judge him harshly if he did not express his sorrow on the anniversary of the 11th July Mumbai bombings. I am sure he was so overcome with grief that words failed him.
2) Manmohan Singh has every right to express his anguish when all Sikhs were looked at with suspicion during the militancy in Punjab.
What about the corresponding responsibility to stand up and speak out when Sikh leaders were holding the country to ransom over the Dera non - issue.
I thought that rights without responsibility was the prerogative of Sonia Gandhi.
RE:Manmohan Singh our noble leader
by Sanjeev Sharma on Jul 16, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
yeah....me too feels like he is going to be next big disaster for India after Mohandas gandhi who led to partition and Nehru who engineered india's military defeat at the hands of china.
His love for muslim votes is in no way hindered by the 'mere allegations' of terrorism by 'some' of them.
Thank goodness someone has the sense of propriety to call it 11/7 and not 7/11. I am now reassured that we live in India. We follow the system of DD/MM/YY. Date comes before the month. Thank you Mr. Vaihayasi Pande Daniel.
RE:11/7
by jay krishnan on Jul 16, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
Fool, its ultimately Indian, wise guy. Do you think date format dd/mm/yy is british ? for that matter do you think the whole of the metric system followed in the whole of Europe british or from the genius of europe ? fool, all of the metric system including : Grams, Kilo grams, metre, centimeter,kilometere, litre, milli litre, kilolitre, 24 hrs in a day, 30 days of month, 12 months of year, 365 days in year even 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute , where do you think all of this comes from ? 12 signs of zodiac that you see in western astrology is shamelessly copied from our vedic astrological systems. Search for 'Vedic Astrology' to start getting acquainted with facts. 365 days in a year and 24 hrs in a day and 60 mins in hr and 60 seconds in a minute all taken from Indian calender.
http://www.bhattar.com/html/mar_apr.html
"This twelve-part saura year comprises 365 days, six hours, nine minutes and nine-and-a-half seconds. Thithi, or day, is determined by the position of the sun in relation to the moon in the sky. One-twelfths of that distance denotes each thithi. The day has 60 parts, or nazhi, of 24 minutes each. An hour comprises two and a half nazhis. A muhurtham is of three-and-three-quarter nazhi duration. Each day has 12 muhurthams. The day, between sunrise and sunset, is divided into five distinct kalas or parts, each of 2 hours and 24 minutes duration: Udaya kala %u2013 sunrise at 6 a.m. to 8.24 a.m.; sanghava %u2013 8.24 a.m. to 10.48 a.m.; m
Our so-called secular political class and elite kept away from the observance of the anniversary of the Mumbai tragedy of 11/7/2006. Forget about flowers. Not a drop of tear. Not a word of sorrow. Not a sign of grief. Not a single expression of solidarity with the relatives of the victims
Large sections of the nation shed tears on July 11, 2007, in memory of the 190 innocent Indians belonging to different religions who were killed a year ago in a series of explosions in suburban trains of Mumbai by jihadi terrorists inspired by the ideology of Al Qaeda. Their tears were also an expression of solidarity with the surviving relatives of these victims.
Just as millions of Americans and their leaders belonging to both sides of the political spectrum shed tears on September 11 every year in memory of the over 2,500 innocent civilians belonging to different nations who were killed by Al Qaeda in the US homeland on September 11,2001, and in solidarity with their relatives.
Just as millions of Indonesians and Australians and their political leaders shed years every year on the anniversary of the Bali bombing of October,2002, in which nearly 200 innocent civilians--Indonesians, Australians and others--were blown to pieces by jihadi terrorists.
Just as millions of Spanish people, their royal family and their political leaders shed tears every year on the anniversary of the Madrid bombin
In India, our so-called secular political class and elite kept away from the observance of the anniversary of the Mumbai tragedy of July 11, 2006.
Forget about flowers.
Not a drop of tear.
Not a word of sorrow.
Not a sign of grief.
Not a single expression of solidarity with the relatives of the victims.
I did not write this article yesterday because I waited to see whether our Prime Minister would fly to Mumbai and lead the people of the nation in remembering the innocent Indians--men, women and children--who were blown to pieces by the jihadi terrorists last year. I was convinced in my mind that he would not. Still, I was hoping that he would prove me wrong by participating in the observance of the anniversary. He didn't.
Why didn't he?
Busy dealing with grave crises confronting the nation?
No.
Lack of time?
No.
Bad weather?
No.
He did not attend because he was worried the Muslims might misunderstand.
He did not attend because he was worried that any public expression of sorrow for those blown up by the jihadi terrorists might be misinterpreted by the Muslims as stigmatising their community.
RE:Cry, The Beloved Country
by Ashish Joshi on Jul 13, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
you're right there...there's little hope for this country...the leadership corrupt and rotten to the core, the people apathetic, characterless, no unity, blindly following western mores, showing disrespect to our culture...maybe this is the kind of leadership we bloody indians deserve.
