RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:39 AM  Permalink Incest After Adam and Eve had children, how did they proceed onto the third generation? The children must have slept with each other, or their own parents. How do you explain this to an inquisitive child without condoning incest? Incest was the order of the day, and would have been required for two or three generations. The same applies to the story of Noah's Ark. The children of Noah's family and his wife's family must have slept with members of their parent's family, or each other. Any further generations would again be faced with the same choice.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:40 AM  Permalink Biology The main problem is not morals, it can be argued that just because it is immoral does not mean that it didn't happen. The main problem is biological. Interbreeding two families causes severe retardation, mutation and infertility. This happens to isolated Human population even when there are more then two families. The problem increases with severity the more the inbreeding occurs. "...full-sibling or parent-child incest results in about 17% child mortality and 25% child disability, for a combined result of about 42% nonviable offspring" Donald Brown, 'Human Universals' pp123 The phenomenon of nonviable offspring from breeding between closely related family members is not limited to Humans, but to most life, especially amongst mammals and multicellular organisms: "A study of 38 captive mammalian species found a cross-species average of around 33% offspring mortality resulting from closely incestuous matings" Donald Brown, 'Human Universals' pp124 Due to the non viable offspring that result from incest, which gets worse with each generation, the Adam and Eve story cannot be the literal whole truth. When a Christian next time relies on the urban myth of "Christian Family Values" then wander how they would explain to someone the big question of "What happened after the Flood?" The only moral escape route is to admit that the Adam and Eve story is a metaphor. The only biologically correct explanation known is that we evolved slowly from lower animal    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:40 AM  Permalink so that incest was never a problem. Morals of the Adam and Eve story There are many "trees that are most pleasing" in the Garden of Eve. However: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Genesis 2:17    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:41 AM  Permalink Innocence Adam and Eve did not know of good and evil. They were innocent. They did not know of deceit, anger, lust or evil. The serpent lied to them but they would not have known that the serpent's intents were not good. They couldn't have known, so they believed what the serpent said. This isn't Adam and Eve's fault, but ask yourself if God knew that they would have believed the serpent, why did God not stop the serpent? God itself could easily have picked the serpent up and thrown it out of the Garden of Eve. If impurity or non-innocence are ground for God throwing you out of the Garden of Eden, then God should have thrown the serpent out. Only two conclusions are possible: God does not throw out beings from the Garden of Eden merely because they are imperfect God created the serpent to test Adam and Eve Number one contradicts God throwing out Adam and Eve because they disobeyed God. Number two, however, is illogical as God would have known that Adam and Eve did not know or understand evil and could not have mistrusted the serpent. It cannot have been a test. In short: It makes no logical sense to claim that the Adam and Eve story is a true explanation of morality, evil or mankind's imperfection. Mankind is not perfect. If God exists, God created mankind as not perfect. The Adam and Eve story was a failed attempt by us to explain why we are not perfect. The Adam and Eve theodicy fails as an explanation for why we choose evil sometimes, original sin is not a    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:36 AM  Permalink The Adam and Eve theodicy fails as an explanation for why we choose evil sometimes, original sin is not a valid explanation for why God created evil. Also it is an immoral story, for God punishes people who chose an action without knowing that such a choice was bad. Punishment for disobedience God makes a command known, but makes a death threat as a punishment. A death threat is not a suitable punishment for eating from the tree of knowledge. A death threat should only be issued under serious circumstances, not as a punishment for curiosity or disobedience. This story demonstrates God's wrath and anger and shows us that God is not forgiving. If we use this story as an example for ethical thinking, we can conclude that we can kill or shorten the lives of those who do not do as we say! During the Dark Ages, coincidentally, this is what the Christian Church did. The punishment of Mankind The Original Sin is the reason Christians say that Human Beings experience suffering - as a result of Adam and Eve's actions. Genesis 3:16-19 describes some of the punishments in more detail. This is why all Humans die, because Adam & Eve disobeyed God. Is it really moral to punish someone for someone else's actions? How can we even consider prompting our children to think like that? Conclusions on the morals of the Adam and Eve story: Punishing one person for the actions of another is immoral. If we use the Adam and Eve story to explain evil, suffering and death then we ar Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:42 AM  Permalink Punishing one person for the actions of another is immoral. If we use the Adam and Eve story to explain evil, suffering and death then we are saying that God is immoral and not a forgiving God. Judging Adam and Eve even when they didn't know the difference between good and evil, when they didn't know it was wrong to disobey and couldn't understand that the serpent tricked them, is also immoral. The Adam and Eve story is not a suitable moral story for children nor is it a valid theodicy to explain evil.    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:36 AM  Permalink Did God create more people than just Adam and Eve? Some people argue that God must have created more people than just Adam and Eve. That the Bible doesn't say God only created Adam and Eve'. This defense is a valid defence against the incest problem associated with Adam and Eve. "Adam and Eve had two children that we know of. Cain and Abel. When they grew up, Cain (or was it the other one?) went off and found a wife. Just where exactly did this woman come from?" "Trouble in the Garden" by Adrian Barnett 1998 It appears God must have created more than just Adam and Eve. What does this mean in practical terms for the original sin? When did God create these people? It must have been: Before the fall or After the fall If God created the extra people before the fall then are we led to believe that all the people God created also chose to eat from the Tree of Knowledge? This doesn't seem to make sense, because when Adam and Eve ate of it he appeared to them and told them off. God has quite a presence and it would no doubt be enough to scare off anyone else from eating from the tree! Either God let them all eat, knowing none of them had the knowledge required for them to distrust the serpent or to understand that disobedience was wrong, in which case God is an immensely poor parent. A parent knows that its children do not know not to touch a hot pan. So, parents warn their children not to. When their children go to touch the pan, the parent does more than    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:43 AM  Permalink When their children go to touch the pan, the parent does more than just warn them. Because the parent knows that the child is not capable of understanding why not to touch the pan, the parent steps in and physically protects the child. God did not do this with Adam and Eve and anyone who was around: God did not protect its children from the danger. God is a bad parent. God must have created the extra people after the fall. But this seems to be wrong. Because that would mean that God was creating imperfect people who were not the children of Adam and Eve. People who are not the children of Adam and Eve would not suffer from death or disease (which are the effects of original sin). So God created these extra people and created them with weakness to death and disease on purpose. If this is true, if God created these people like that, then original sin doesn't explain death and disease as these people were not subject to the original sin. The explanation that God created more people than just Adam and Eve shows us that the Adam and Eve story is not a valid excuse for death "entering the world". God himself created death and the Adam and Eve story is merely apologetics on behalf of fearful God believers who wish to think of Humans as evil due to our own actions, and not due to Creation. The truth is, Human Beings were not created by an omnibenevolent God and the Adam and Eve story fails to reconcile God and evil, God is still immoral. Creation of more people before the    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:RE:RE:Reconciling Adam and Eve with Science by nutron on Jul 08, 2007 12:43 AM  Permalink Creation of more people before the fall seems more likely The criticism resulting from God creating people after the fall is less serious than that if he created them before. In the latter case we merely conclude that he is a bad parent, and perhaps not omniscient, whereas if he created people after the fall he is a downright immoral monster.    Forward   |   Report abuse

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RE:Read Bhagvat Gita by on Jul 08, 2007 12:35 AM  Permalink well said 'a' geeta teaches meaningfulness of life....not like the koran which teaches to take life of ppl who r not of ur faith    Forward   |   Report abuse
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RE:RE:Read Bhagvat Gita by Surya on Jul 08, 2007 01:15 AM  Permalink Usman Muslims teach suicide bombing to their kindergarden going kids just to blow up themself A father kills his own daugher a brother kills his own sister just in the name of Helly Quran think think think I am thinking i see lot of muslims are tortured around the world when they go from place to place ,most muslims are spied on in USA think think why this is happening....    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Read Bhagvat Gita by saurav parida on Jul 08, 2007 01:22 AM  Permalink questio 1. WHY ISLAM IS SO POPULAR AROUND THE WORLD ? Reply - because of terrorism question 2. WHY MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING CONVERTED INTO ISLAM INSPITE OF NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA OF WEST. Reply - No Family planning    Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:Read Bhagvat Gita by Vasanth Srinivas on Jul 08, 2007 02:35 AM  Permalink @ saurav parida Great Reply. Kudos to you. Jai Hindh. Forward   |   Report abuse

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