It is the same "Gujarat Riot Tapes" shot by our "secular media" friends where a particular News channel took a leading role is coming to haunt all of us all now! Remember the lead this "secular"Channel had taken by shifting its Office/staff/studio and conducting special programs with ultimate objective of denigrating and demonising BJP/Modi? That was nothing but spreading of poison and all this is coming to roost! Who is responsible for this? The activities of Tablighi Jamaat is given in the following RLU in a well researched article.
The truth of the matter is that we don't know. We don't know who's lying, we don't know who's saying the so-called truth. The problem is that we have confirmed all kinds of assumptions to be true. Who knows what happened thousands of years ago, even a few hundred years ago? Just because someone wrote about it, we have accepted it to be true? Is that all it takes for something to become the truth? And regardless of all that, should it matter that 'they' killed 'our' people thousands of years ago, hundreds of years ago, just 10 years back? What matters is NOW! And you can't live with a calm head in the present, if you carry the baggage of your past. This 'us and them' can go on forever. And once we get rid of 'them', it won't be long before we turn one of 'us' into 'them.' There is no limit to dividing one set of people, that's what history has taught us. We are all different - accept it and live with it!
RE:SILENCE IS Betrayal
by Pratik Patel on Jul 06, 2007 11:39 PM Permalink
The truth of the matter is that we don't know. We don't know who's lying, we don't know who's saying the so-called truth. The problem is that we have confirmed all kinds of assumptions to be true. Who knows what happened thousands of years ago, even a few hundred years ago? Just because someone wrote about it, we have accepted it to be true? Is that all it takes for something to become the truth? And regardless of all that, should it matter that 'they' killed 'our' people thousands of years ago, hundreds of years ago, just 10 years back? What matters is NOW! And you can't live with a calm head in the present, if you carry the baggage of your past. This 'us and them' can go on forever. And once we get rid of 'them', it won't be long before we turn one of 'us' into 'them.' There is no limit to dividing one set of people, that's what history has taught us. We are all different - accept it and live with it!
RE:SILENCE IS Betrayal
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
If you read history carefully, you will find that muslim rule in India was extremely oppressive. This was also one of the reason why British were easily able to come in and occupy India.
Being peaceful doesn't mean that you ignore the facts. Learn from history and make sure that Muslims never get power in India again.
RE:RE:SILENCE IS Betrayal
by Pratik Patel on Jul 06, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
I can read all the history I can. That doesn't mean I'm going to be anti-Muslim. I choose not to be so, that's the lesson I'm taking back from history. Despite all that happened in the past, you and me are still here right? Do you care so deeply about all those Hindus who were killed at that time? Does your blood boil reading about these massacres?
And who knows what is fact? The textbooks? The various scriptures of that time? The stories that parents tell their children? I am ignoring facts, that much I will admit. But only because I don't know what is fact. I don't believe anybody does.
RE:SILENCE IS Betrayal
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
Has anyone in your family been killed by a muslim yet? Also you seem to be so full of yourself that you didn't bother to answer my questions. Maybe your blinded with your hate towards muslims.
RE:RE:SILENCE IS Betrayal
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
Obviously there are a lot of uneducated uncultured people in India and you are definitely one of them.
RE:SILENCE IS Betrayal
by Pratik Patel on Jul 06, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
What makes you think that I'll want to kill them? And don't give me the "you don't know because it hasn't happened to you". I mean who the hell knows how I'll react when something happens. And what makes you think wiping is going to solve all your problems? Who says Hinduism is free from division? How can you be sure Hinduism won't turn more enemies out of its own people? I want to think you don't know. But again you could be very sure of yourself.
RE:national/international
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
You mean besides the fact that christians collectively have probably killed the most people in the history of the world?
RE:national/internationa
by Vishal Saxena on Jul 06, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Dara singh and Modi are not terrorists, its the missionaries who give arms to militants in north east. Get your info right. Nest time you will call Bhagat Singh and Chandrashekhar Azad as terrorists.
RE:TIMUR, THE HONEST FOLLOWER OF ISLAM!!!
by dtr on Jul 06, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
Hi Kafir, I don't see any point in bringing up this 'Muslim Killed Hindus' propaganda, when hindus were getting killed by fellow Hindus. Read Indian history. For most part of the history, the geographical area of current India, was a collection of small countries that used to fight each other all the time.
RE:TIMUR, THE HONEST FOLLOWER OF ISLAM!!!
by gunturi subrahmanyam on Jul 06, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
absolutely correct khan - the religion and violence are inter related
please follow the simple yogic principle... show friendliness towards happy people, show compassion towards the sad, show delight towards the virtuous and ignore the wicked.
Guys do you hit at a muslim when you see him face to face - have you not had muslim friends - see everyone as a human being - this is just my earnest appeal. Just reading the messages posted makes one feel sick.
RE:Please dont spread hatred...
by Tamil Indian on Jul 06, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
I'm also aware that many of the large scale extremist activities are carried out by terrorists who call themselves true muslims - they also kill others of the same faith like the one happening in Iraq. But my appeal is dont hate someone just because he is a muslim that is the only point I'm trying to make
RE:Please dont spread hatred...
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
People don't think they are accountable for their words on rediff forums. And the worst ones think that they are gods gift to mankind and so everyone else must follow their viewpoints.
RE:RE:Please dont spread hatred...
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
Billions are being spend all over the world to deal with Islamic Terrorism and you think that the problem is being ignored???
RE:Please dont spread hatred...
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:59 PM Permalink
Well remove of Taliban in Afghanistan was certainly helpful to India. Wasn't it?
Whoever you are kafir, you definitely are a kafir. Dont u dare talk abt Prophet Muhamed(p.b.u.h)in such light. Read the Quran properly and understand it. Read the code of life. Prophet Muhamed(p.b.u.h)was the most peaceloving person to have lived on this planet. At that time the kafirs like you were responsible for the various attrocities like sodomy, slavery and so on.
Please refrain from using foul language while talking abt the prophet.
As far as terrorists are concerned, there are terrorists in every religion. Be it Buddhism, Sikhim, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam. Terrorism isnt a religion. You should be in a position to understand that by now. So stop stereotyping and stand up against terrorists and not a religion.
Against terrorists of your religion, my religion and all the other religions. That is what you should be doing instead of demeaning the Prophet and falling so low in character.
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
I know that there are lot of fundamentalist movements in Islam. Is there a reform movement that advocates liberal viewpoints as well?
And what do you intend to do if people critisize Muhammad (the Prophet)?
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by AlbertPinto on Jul 06, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
I was looking for serious replies only, not propoganda. Would you mind not corrupting my question with propoganda?
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by subbarayudu pannala on Jul 06, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Ya Terrorists are not muslims... may be Yes...BUt they come first place with 90% stake ...Great one for a peacce loving religion...Remaining religions all together stake 10% ....What do you think is it that something wrong in Islam or the people who follow it ? or what?
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by Paapu Kutti on Jul 06, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
make a muslim kid live in a open world of tolerance and RESPECT for the other person views.(the way he/she is).Violence will end.Killing of kafirs is no solution
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by Ketan Desai on Jul 06, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
Yes, not all Muslims are terrorist but most Terrorist are Muslims ? True - Why ? Answer for yourself.
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by inox quinox on Jul 07, 2007 01:30 AM Permalink
Jesheem prophet muhamed is a mystery to me.because i am not a follower of his.And if he was such a god's gift to mankind,can you tell me why most of the world is against his followers today.Bad philosophy maybe.Think with your brain and you will find out that it's not practical to hate anyone and expect that they will garland you for it.Be ready for the consequences now jesheem.You reap what you sow.
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by Kunal Chowdhury on Jul 06, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
Don't you dare give your great opinions to us. Don't you dare tell us what not to say about your kind. We will hunt you down if you provoke us anymore. That you are safe and free shows that we are forgiving. We have no time for mindless violence like your kind. But be warned, if you provoke us, we will have all the time in the world to sacrifice ourselves for your total, complete destruction. There is a hidden movement beginning in every non-muslim's heart. It will emerge publicly as your stupidity increases. Lie low and hold your insane ideas and your contemptible religion well within your minds and your community. Show them off any more and we will erase them along with your minds and your communities.
RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by Vishal Saxena on Jul 06, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
Anything which makes hate a centerpiece of faith is nothing but fascism or nazism. You decide what you believe in. The obvious if for all of us to see.
RE:RE:Pls refrain from using foul language
by Vishal Saxena on Jul 06, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
I have never seen or heard a muslim kid or adult saying that other religions also lead to the same truth and let us live in harmony. Always I hear whispers of ruling India again and killing Hindus and obliterate people of other faith.
If Hitler can be criticized for nazism then why not any prophet for his cult of hatred and terror? I dont think it would be wrong to summarize that Islam nowadays looks like nazism, unchecked, undefeated.
