The author without understanding the social structure within the Muslim community has blamed the Tablege Jamaat.
This organization works in over 120 countries with reach to over millions. They are consider to be a pacifist by even the Radical elements among the Muslims and critize for not getting political.
Every countries government has monitored their activities (since 19330's) and had not found any criminal acts.
But since its quite an open organization, any one can join and leave it any time.
Can the Author prove that the Tableeg Jaamat preaches Radical stuffs?
Stop doing this 2 2=22 kind of logic and report the facts.
The author says its not a popular organization which is quite contrary to the fact. Have you ever seen a Tamleegi Ijetma? Its held every where in the world.
RE:The author needs to do further study
by mohammed uddin on Jul 08, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
i support Hans Solo on this topic, why you are blaming Tablege Jamaat, once u don't know the fact,by the this article"Khafeel used to enter the mosque without wearing the traditional namaz cap and tried talking the members into joining the Tableeghi Jamaat" tableeghi jamaat never never go to mosque without traditional cap , plz guys if you don't want to be true muslim, don't balme any jamaat,
RE:RE:The author needs to do further study
by Srini on Jul 08, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
Here the blame has come from fellow muslims, who found Kafeel's behaviour odd and not to the liking of many since he became a member of Jamaat and ultimately led to his an his family's disrepute and obscurity.
RE:The author needs to do further study
by Hans Solo on Jul 08, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
By the way... the center of Tableeg is based in Delhi. You can try getting down at the main Hz. Nizamuddin Railway station and ask any one to find the way.
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by V S on Jul 08, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
Gujarat Riots were govt organized murder of muslims...similar to 1984 anti sikh pogrom. Anyone who sees such videos would get brainwashed.
The fault lies with the corrupt and unjust govt. machinery that abuses its power.
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by Hooter on Jul 08, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
VS,
Your arguement is flawed.
If your justifications is stretched, then Hindus can watch CDs of Godhra, Akshardham, Mumbai blasts, Varnasi blasts and start bombing other communities ??
Similarly christians can watch Darfur CDs, South Thailand & Philippines CDs and start killing Muslims ??
Whether above justification suits your arguement ?
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by jim on Jul 08, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
totally agree wt u! even in pak hindu's n christians are killed or forced to convert. sud we all take revenge? NO this is the diffirence between islam and the other world religions.
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by vijay on Jul 08, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
Brothers, every action has it's reaction, mumbai riots guilty none Gujarat Riots, none guilty sikh riots none guilty bhagalpur riots none guilty jama masjid blast none guilty mecca masjid blast none guilty
bombay blast 216 guilty
The ruling party in ndia is Hindu, Police, Bureucrates Might is right majority wins
who is investigating wht hpnd afterwards.
ISRAEL CREATION ON PALESTINE LAND AFGHANISTAN WAR WITH USSR MOTIVATED FR JIHAD AGAINST USSR DURING COLD WAR, AND NOW DIVIDE N RULE WITH BASES IN AFGHNISTAN. IMPERIALISM IRAQ WAR IRAN WAR KUWAIT WAR INDONESIAN PARTITION PAKISTAN PARTITION GULF MILITARY BASES
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by adfasd asdasd on Jul 08, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
The foolish tribe of nusrat and his ilk is increasing...i recommend them 2 things...
1) Get a authetic translation of quran and read it in context and do not concentrate on "verse"
2) Please also read Veda/Puranas/Ramayana/Mahabharta to get enlightened of hinduism....
and then try to find differences between hinduism and islam ...you will find they match 90% of the times.
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by Srini on Jul 08, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
Even if we presume for a moment they match 100%, why is the behaviour of both the communities exactly opposite. Its the blind belief in the illeterate mulla's words, with out using one's own brain, presents the muslim community as mad. God has given human beings brain to think, evaluate and act. If the brain is not put to use then we are no different from the other creatures.
RE:Khafeel was not brainwashed with Gujarat riot tapes but
by Hans Solo on Jul 08, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
Then every single muslim would hve been after ur blood. Out of 1.6 billion community (that is 160 crores) which follows Quran its quite possible to have atleast a few hundred or thousand who can be brain washed by crimes of Riots / Wars etc. Though u can shy away by takin up to rehtorics.
This is getting riddiculous, not all muslims are terrorists and as far as Osama Bin Laden is concerned, i dont blv he has any connection with 9/11 attacks, if u come to think of it how can a man sitting in some bullshit cave in afghanistan can possibly carry out an attack as such? if he had this big intelligence and network, America wuld hav been wiped out of the map.Not many ppl know that Osama Bin Laden used to be an agent working under american intelligence and perhaps there were certain things which he did not approve for eg serving of vine to the americans in Saudi Arabia and he raised his voice against it and many more things as a result he was kicked out of his own country. What i am trying to say is tht Jews are behind all these things. How can one possibly think that a man sitting in a cave can carry out these kinda operations, And as far as muslims are concerned, i agree that there are many radical groups amongst us but they definitely are not in India, blaming things on organisations like TABLEEGH is downright disgusting. I belong to Tableeghi Jamaat and they havent even once said that we hav to do "JIHAD" and kill ppl.Israeli organisations are behind all these, they are the once who brainwash our muslims brothers and make them do thses shameful things.I being a Tableeghi Condemn These attacks and i say tht Khafeel is a disgrace to Indian Muslims. and plz chk out this link, this is website made by an american and he is not a muslim http://www.whatreallyhappened.c
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by Ramesh Reddythota on Jul 08, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
From RK, I suggest we indians who are well known as peace loving people, work as one indian to better lives of our people (Indians) living behind the religion, caste, language and regionalism. Irrespective of whether a indian hindu / muslim / christain/etc. involves in any terrorist act, it will spoil the image of india.
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by Hooter on Jul 08, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
Message continued ...
As a secular free nation with one billion people, are we sending right signals to the world ? Do we want our Doctors & Engineers to be termed as SUSPECTS in outside world ?
At this moment in India's development, society which favours growth & development can only prosper. Otherwise, history will judge as sitting ducks.
There are more questions in this episode than answers ...
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by Hooter on Jul 08, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
Hasan,
I respect you for your words but I don't know anything about "Tableeghi" or whatecver that is. There are 2 things here.
One is, nobody is interested in knowing "denial reasons". We can not deny what has already happened. We can not deny 9/11; we can not deny holocausr; we can not deny Mumbai bombings; we can not deny Godhra; We can not deny Malegaon or Hyderbad ... SIMPLY BECOZ THEY ARE ALL FACTS.
IF WE WANT TO LIVE IN OUR COCOON (like Iranian Prez, Ahmedinijad) & DENY EVERYTHING, NOBODY WILL OBJECT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NOBODY WILL TAKE US SERIOUSLY. The same thing applies to Laden as well. Whole world knows about him as many relatives are interviewed, they have written books on first hand info, his sister used to fund him as recent as 2001. (as per Saudi customs, he used to get his family share of money in millions on monthly basis in Afgnistan).
Second is; we are talking about Indians here. We are not talking about what happens in outside world. We have to live here side-by-side & next-to-each-other. Whether its CDS of Iraq or Gujarat or Godhra or Mumbai blasts; we can not kill each other. There is no end to that. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
Every time we see protests by Muslims against Bush, we question ourselves; as Indians how relevant it is ? As Indians how relevant is Danish cartoons to us ? How many of us have seen those cartoons or MF Hussain's paintings ?
As a secular free nation with one billion population, are we sending the right signals to t
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by jim on Jul 08, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
u know hassan. people like u r the problem... constant state of denial. wake up, take responsibility, speak out against these horrifing acts 7 the people behind them. there are vedio's of osamha celebrating 9/11. and who told u he is in a cave?
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by mohammed uddin on Jul 08, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
LAYMAN- Mind ur bull shit tongueyou are a BIG BUSTARD in whole UNIVERSE
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by sunil sirohi on Jul 08, 2007 09:32 AM Permalink
if they were brain washed by just by 3 incidents like bombay riots/gujrat riots and babri masjid, then hindus/christians and jews if terrorists-cult could long have had been brain washed by bombay blasts, Godhra train carnage, Varanasi blasts, Delhi blasts, Shramjeevi train blasts, Azamgarh riots, Beslan hold-up,twin-towers of the US, underground train blasts in the UK....... this islam is nothing but a terrorist's cult.
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by V S on Jul 08, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
ya as if hindus who take part in rioting are any better.. u hindus always claim to be peaceful but u are basically hypocrites .
RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by Vitamins Minerals on Jul 18, 2007 06:29 AM Permalink
VS, hindus took part in rioting, agreed, but that was only when they were provoked by some anti-social elements. If Hindus are hyprocrites, go look up the english dictionary to give a new name to these terrorists who commit such heinous crimes on the name of Islam...
RE:RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by mohammed uddin on Jul 08, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
Dear Sunil,
until now nobody proved who ha done this what ur talking about,it's a politics dear, and u know the fact abt Godhara ,and other blasts, simply blaming muslim,its not right dicison, don't talk abt an religion,
RE:RE:Not all muslims are terrorists
by mohammed uddin on Jul 08, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
layman, don't bring quran in B/w, we did not talk abt Bhagwat Geeta, becoz we r not like u, we respect all religion,
quran is the symbol of HUmanity, without abltuion u can't touvh it,
RE:TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!!! PREPARE FOR WORLD WAR III OR BY 2050 TWO BILLION PEOPLE WILL BE SLAUGHTERED!!!
by Hasan on Jul 08, 2007 02:42 AM Permalink
dude where ever u get these so called facts are false and as far as islam is concerned, it is being framed. had it not been that we wuld hav had some wise rulers, this thing wuldnt hav gone this far
Why not name the 'intelligence sources' since it can very well be the correspondents own bias (commies,you know are quite capable of pulling evidences out of thin air) while making silly justifications. Tomorrow if any Hindu riots, I'll have the same Guj tape ready as an excuse, of course from the same 'intelligence sources' who cannot be seen or heard. But I'm happy that these ahmed chaps have stolen the 'no muslim in al-qaeda' monotone from our head-in-the-sand PM Manmohan's mouth.
It was really shocking to read that such a learned reporter with an esteemed news portal could commit such devastating blunder. The report is misleading and defamatory since the reporter didn%u2019t even bothered to verify the facts. It seems that Mr. Vicky Nanjappa either had insufficient information or he deliberately was aiming at posing an organization (Students Islamic Organisation of India) of national repute in bad light.
Mr. Nanjappa, for your information, Khafeel was neither our member nor associated with us at any level. In fact we came to know about him from media reports mentioning his alleged involvement in the UK car bombing. SIO strongly denies such alleged media reports which relate Khafeel or any other person with us. It is an alleged attempt to defame SIO's identity.
Mr. Nanjappa let me introduce you about SIO. Students Islamic Organisation of India or SIO is a premier student organization working across the length and breadth of the country the past 25 years. SIO aims at preparing students and youth to reconstruct (shape a better) society in the divine guidance. Since its inception in October 19, 1982 SIO has been getting student acceptance and is emerging as the largest student organization of the country. Among the major reasons for overwhelming acceptance of us are our objectives and student welfare activities.
SIO is thriving to bring educational awareness in the country, to inculcate moral values and ethics among student, to uplift their educati
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by Khan Rehman on Jul 07, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
I aggree that SIO is very good student Organisation of India Riyazur Rehman
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by mr josh on Jul 08, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
most of organisation behave like this and look for lame excuse to save their head from allegation,, all religion basically islam is totaly contradictory against all religion, gandhi was the most Foo*lleader who let it happened in india, now we are seeing the consequence of their follies,,, islam is relgion of terror, killiing and dictorial edicts,,
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by sunil sirohi on Jul 08, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
Did anybody mention that sio is a changed new-name of simi?
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by Lalatendu Deo on Jul 07, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
SIO must say whether it condems those terrorist acts by some Muslims?
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by japjit singh on Jul 07, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
Maybe he wanted to say SIMI (your org, SIOI). Must say, quite close in name, what about your activities, birader? Do you also show riot tapes for weekend fun with popkorn free? You guys make me sick.
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by varun krishan on Jul 08, 2007 12:00 AM Permalink
Whats in the name Mr mas. As you clearly mention ur organisation is also busy in creating new KHafeel and sabeels etc. You are just making them educated but u are also showing them tapes like Guj riots mumbai riots. Why dont u show them tapes like mumbai train blasts, parliament blast, WTC blasts, Pentagon attacks, London planned attacks or various worship places blast.. The three terrorist were also very educated and skilled ppl. So understand the point just bringing educational awareness wont help give them some common sense and lessons of humanity so that they can look above their religion and see everyone as equals. I think Hinduism is the only religion which can save the world.
RE:RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by mr josh on Jul 08, 2007 06:44 AM Permalink
million of people have been killedin islam who was responsible for partition of punjab, bangal,, 1.5million died who was responsible,, this fanatic muslim,, all u p and bihar muslim supported jinnah, muslim league, why they stayed back,, it is shame on congressi and indian leader of yesterday,, islam cannot mix up with other,,better to go to their brothern country of pakistan, and live like muhajir and discriminated sindhi
RE:RE:RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by Hans Solo on Jul 08, 2007 10:16 AM Permalink
And whom u supported ... Nehru? His persuit for power got India to partition. If he would have wanted he could have avoided the partition.
But u see in an undivided India, the chance of him getting an absolute majority was no way.
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by mas on Jul 07, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
its really Shocking to See that the reporter has done blunder to blame SIO and Link of SIO and khafeel. it show the the unawareness on the reporter
RE:objection on the rediff report About SIO
by amakant chaudhary on Jul 08, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
SIO is an organisation of Gaddars, Traitors with the putrid agenda of adopting & foisting foreign (Arabic) beliefs on a secular ancient society. Where is national passion with SIO? Non existant. Because they are busy following the practices, culture and language of an alien foreign culture. Shame on you. Jiss ghar ka namak khaya hai usi ko khatam karne par tule ho. Its all Petro dollars. Let there be a petrol substitute and Islam will vanish.
