One day it is Gujarat, another day it is Babri masjid. But the question is why do Hindus who suffer in Pakistan, Bangladesh or other suffering minorities do not turn to religion terrorism.
The answer is simple and straightforward. In Islam Allah mandates jehad towards no muslims. The loot, plunder, rape and destruction is explicitly called for in Quran. With the added promise of paradise and 72 virgins, Muslims are more than keen to indulge in terrorism.
In Hinduism killing anybody .. we all are aware of the law of karma. There is simply no call from our Gods to kill innocent people. And certainly no paradise nor 72 virgins to enyoy as a reward.
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by Sushim Roy on Jul 07, 2007 06:55 AM Permalink
Venkat...I don't know from where you are quoting these....have you read these things yourself from some authentic source like Quran or some authentic translation of it? I have not read ...so I can't comment on the authenticity of your views...but one thing I can say...if people go for austerity in their lives for the sake of 72 virgins in heaven...then in their hearts...they are just wolves.....how can the go to heaven....they won't attain nirvana absolutely....the whole concept seems to be baffling to me..and why people go to listen to these people who are dubious in their very concepts?
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by venkat on Jul 07, 2007 07:05 AM Permalink
If you google you can find everything. Part of the problem is that Hindus do not know that is Islam and how the quran treats non believers
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by Vinay Gupta on Jul 07, 2007 07:16 AM Permalink
Venkat, It is very nice to see that now Hindus have started studying Islam. Otherwise we had very lettle knowledge about their religion and used to believe in what is being taught to us by the Govt-" All religion preach us love and compassion"
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 07, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
Sushim, It may sound strange to you but the behaviour pattern of muslim for last 1000 years proves it. Now regarding the source of inspiration, there cannot be ant thing elese but Quran!
Quran is difficult to under but read hadeesa in which 5000 incidents about Prophet are narrated so that quran can be better understood. So some one has rightlysaid that Hadeesa is Quran in action. And from there u can find that the some of the act of mohammad are so repulsive , so disgusting that they are difficult to be justified not only in modern concept but even in medevel/primitive society!
I just fail to understand why we Indian are afraid to call spade a spaid
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 07, 2007 07:25 AM Permalink
Harron, telling lie 100 times wont make it truth, In Sindh hindus are prosecuted. Their girls are abducted and forcefully married. FIR is not lodged becoz police is with the faithfuls who are doing their religious duty ( as per Quran)!
And regarding India, minority enjoy more than equal rights. They get scholarships, free education and now demandingreservation etc.
Can you claim the same status for Hindus in other muslim country
Do u have courage to speak truth. Since u donot, I donot expect u to change.
RE:RE:RE:Excuses and more excuses
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 07, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
Haroon,but why dun you allow woman to keep four husband for the sake of equality.
2. why her evidence is treated as half.
3. why she is kept behind Burkha
Please reply point wise without condeming other. I assume all other religion are useless
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by on Jul 07, 2007 08:27 AM Permalink
well a woman is not allowed polyandry unlike hindus of nepal because its difficult to find out the father (with 100 % accuracy)of the child even with DNA. muslim women got half the share in property when hindu women were given none and burned as sati. her evidence is not regarded as full ,because she may be pressurised easily due to socio economic reasons She wears burkha because thats how decent societies should be,even hindu women 10 years back covered themselves in 6 yard long sarees.Christian and jews dressed up like mother mary .why dont we see a statue of Mother Mary in bikini.this is wat is happening with all other religions they change to adapt themselves.Still wat those 3 idiots did is shameful .but like every suicide attack done by a LTTE(hindu Tamil organisation) cannot be linked to all hindus so can these jihadis black sheeps action .So show some sense guys
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by Shankar Panday on Jul 07, 2007 08:00 AM Permalink
Ghalib the joker is very happy abt Hindus in Pakistan..natakbaaz didnt read Hamudor Rahman report where the Pak army had expressed policy to cleanse all Hindus from EPakistan..the moomins ended up killing 3 million Bengalis mostly Hindus and a good part of them Muslims too..it may be safe to say that Pakistan killed most number of Muslims in history just do the math and add killing of namazees mostly Shias or Kadianis or Ismailis every Friday in Karachi..earlier the Pak army was used to kill Palestinians in Jordan under Tikka Khan !! no kiddding, but ask and you will find Pakis shedding tears for their Palie brothers when it comes to chew kafir ass...Hindus are museum pieces in Pakistan being a little over 1%..darul Islam saw to it that an entire Hindu civilization has been wiped out..so much so that there is not even a Sanskrit or Hindi department in any Paki university !!!!! wow !! yet these same guys will cry hoarse and make movies on how Urdu is vanishing in India (Urdu has disappeared in Bangladesh though- a Muslim country)..so much for Paki sensibilities..so Ghalib miah take ur rhetoric elsewhere...Jhang Karachi would be a good journal for your ranting !
RE:Excuses and more excuses
by Vijay Shankar on Jul 07, 2007 08:04 AM Permalink
In the summary of his report dated November 1, 1971 Senator Edward Kennedy writes (6):
'Field reports to the U.S. Government, countless eye-witness journalistic accounts, reports of International agencies such as World Bank and additional information available to the subcommittee document the reign of terror which grips East Bengal (East Pakistan). HARDEST HIT HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF THE HINDU COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN ROBBED OF THEIR LANDS AND SHOPS, SYSTEMATICALLY SLAUGHTERED, AND IN SOME PLACES, PAINTED WITH YELLOW PATCHES MARKED "H". All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad. ..' (emphasis added by author of this article).
Sydney Schanberg, pulitzer prize winning journalist (of 'Killing Fields') was New York Times correspondent in Dhaka in 1971 at the time of army repression and during the 1971 Bangla Desh war. In his syndicated column 'The Pakistani Slaughter That Nixon Ignored' Mr.Schanberg writes:
"I covered the war and witnessed first the population's joyous welcome of the Indian soldiers as liberators .. Later I toured the country by road to see the Pakistani legacy firsthand. In town after town there was an execution area where people had been killed by bayonet, bullet and bludgeon. In some towns, executions were held on a daily basis."
This was a month after the war's end (i.e. January 1972), ... human bones were still scattered along many roadsides. Blood stained clothing and tufts of human hair clung to th
why doesn't the innocent, moderate muslim people convert themselves to some other religions like christianity etc. so that they can come out of the clutches of these Mullahs who spread so much hatred among the civilized world? I absolutely can't understand how can people accede to unquestioned faith....if there is no question....how does one convince oneself? How can people of so good education let themselves be brainwashed? How did they sell their judgement/their logics? Is it due to better acceptance in the society? To me it seems to be a solution.....the moderate/peaceloving muslims...better save your own back.....convert to some other religions...be at peace with your children/family....study/work/have fun/have peace....but don't spread/be a part in the spread of terrorism
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Sushim Roy on Jul 07, 2007 06:43 AM Permalink
come on...people in India and abroad (western countries)...have the full freedom choosing one's religion...that's democracy man.....the moderate muslims...they should be given this thought too..that if they want to alienate themselves from the terrorists...they better change the whole idea....they better convert to some other religion so that the mullahs can't have any grip over them
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 07, 2007 07:57 AM Permalink
Sushim, seee what is happening with Rushdi and Taleema Nasreen? This whole drama of treat is to desist muslims not to even think of changing the religion. If you follow the news paper than one muslim girl married hindu boy and in the Court itself boy and his family wre mercilessly beaten and girl abducted! This was reported in Navbharat Times 20-25 days back on 5th page. In the name of secularism such incidence are not reported.
If comman muslim try to revolt then he will be killed and no one would take notice even
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Srikanth on Jul 07, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
So, you are a Christian missionary waiting to convert Mulsims. Both of you should be banned.
RE:RE:RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Shankar Panday on Jul 07, 2007 08:12 AM Permalink
The movement for leaving Islam has gained huge momentum all over Europe, with the recent opening of the British chapter Ex Muslims of Britain under Ms Maryam Namazie...the website is very popular.
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Sushim Roy on Jul 07, 2007 06:39 AM Permalink
no...i'm a Hindu....as Hinduism has no conversion..that's why i referred to any other religion..it may be christianity..buddhism..anything...that doesn't preach hatred..that's it...to come out of the clutches of the hatred preaching clerics....any more problem Srikanth?
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Shankar Panday on Jul 07, 2007 08:07 AM Permalink
Why cant Hinduism hv converts? all Hindus were converts at some time or the other..various races came to India and adopted Hinduism an evolved religion...Balinese are not Indian ethnically yet they r the most ardent of HIndus...so are they not coverted?? conversion is simply acceptance of a the lofty ideals of Hinduism...Vivekananda called HInduism as the first missionary religion..it spread all over S E Asia and beyond..please remember the biggest Hindu temple is not in INdia but at Angkor Vat, Cambodia..and these Vishnu temples were not built by INdians but local Hindus...btw which verse & chapter in any Hindu text says that Hindu spiritual knowledge cannot spread and hence no converts??? today amazingly HInduism spreads as a movement without missionary activity..just by itself by its innate beauty...vegetarianism, New Age are all Hindu exports.
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Muslehuddin Shakeel on Jul 07, 2007 07:08 AM Permalink
becoz muslims belive Islam is the best religion and the one potrayed in media
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 07, 2007 07:19 AM Permalink
Sushim, as muslehddin has said muslim kid go into the clutch of Mullah at the age of 3. They brainwash them that Islam is best religion and it provide Jannat (heven) and 72 virgins. more over there cannot be any argument regarding what is written in Quran.
Moreover Hindus donot believe in conversion. Vedas say " there is one God, there may be many way to get to it". So for Hindus every religion is respectable. But same is not true with other.
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Muslehuddin Shakeel on Jul 07, 2007 07:29 AM Permalink
your argument is not sound,have some foreful argument not just for sake of it
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Sushim Roy on Jul 07, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
hi Muslehuddin.....the arguments put forward by Vinay Gupta is solid when he is saying about the Vedas or hinduism.....we have no bosses....and you are free to believe/worship anyone/anything....as long as you a peaceloving person....not harming others....we believe that God is everything....everywhere...hence everything is manifestation of God. But yeah.....I personally don't know Quaran/Hadis or the tenets of Muslim religion....so I can support Vinay Gupta fully for his views of Hindu religion....and its true we believe you can achieve God in any way....that's why based on this idea of free thought I supposed the idea that the moderate muslims in the democratic countries convert themselves to some other peaceloving religions....then they won't be in the clutches of the Mullahs anymore...
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by venkat on Jul 07, 2007 06:35 AM Permalink
There is no moderate islam. Islam does not have any tolerance for kafirs. Which is what you see in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc.
Those who are tolerant muslims, they are stained by the quality found in tolerant religions like Hinduism. Tolerance is a Hindu quality, not muslim. That is why muslims have maximum freedom as minorities in India and Hindus are being decimated and destroyed in Pakistan, Bangladesh, KAshmir etc where intolerant muslims are in minority
RE:RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by Sushim Roy on Jul 07, 2007 06:45 AM Permalink
if something is soo intolerant..why not come out of its clutches....that's it...simple....you can't change the religion/it's beliefs......so change yourself....it's like the discovery of shoe...you can't dust the whole world....save your own feet
RE:why not come out of the clutches of the mullahs? convert to some other religions
by venkat on Jul 07, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
You cannot come out of its clutches. In Islam if you leave the religion, it is death sentence. (in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afganistan) So there is no escape from this prison like situation.
Hinduism on the other is very free. You can believe, dis-believe in anything you want. You are also free to convert. There is complete freedom of thought. Which is why we are the earth's spiritual centre and have given birth to many sages and religions.
Second richest Indian Azeem Premji, King of Bollywood Sharukh Khan.. Badashah of Bollywood Amir Khan.. King of Music A R Rehman.. Taj Mahal 7'th wonder a Muslim monument... Best painter from Indian M F Hussain.. President of India Abdul Kalam.. Top 5 Khans control Bollywood.. Queen of Sports Sania Mirza... We had Cricket captain as Azar..
Imagine if Mr. Premji is 100 times rich then what he is now then we can easily control all the politicians and there by all the Indians... So to all the Hindus we already have a billionair Muslim who is going to help 100s of Sharukhs and now we don't need any Hindus to support us... Long live Muslims...
RE:We will Conquer India
by Nilesh Patel on Jul 07, 2007 06:36 AM Permalink
The ASS who wrote this doesnt know that we Hindus are making these Khans what they are. These muslims in India eat our food drink our water and kill we Hindus. Because of these shitty muslims like this people who live abroad will get screwed up. Come out of your thinking man.
RE:We will Conquer India
by shaily garg on Jul 07, 2007 06:54 AM Permalink
I am not against any muslim but rather sympathetic. But i want to make you people aware of your reality. YOu know why you are muslim, because either some ruler 200 years back asked you to die or adopt ISLAM, or some muslim forcibally married ur grandmother. 80% of the muslims in india and pakistan were forcibally converted to Islam. And shame on you guys, if you say anything against hinduism, the faith which you great grand father followed until they wer converted forcibally. Wake up and don't live in inferiority complex. The think you show is a minority thinking. We want you to become part of mainstream and i hope indian muslim will enact an example for the whole world. But you suck ..if you think the way you write. Ask Premji and Kalam, how proud they feel on reading your message ....
RE:We will Conquer India
by Ram Maddela on Jul 07, 2007 06:27 AM Permalink
Hey there is no wrong in you or me conquer india..becoz we are indians..there is nothing special about it.Even our prime minister and presidents are not from Hindu. Pleae have patience and enjoy and let others enjoy their lives.
RE:We will Conquer India
by venkat on Jul 07, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
Then why is PAkistan and Bangladesh broke on ground of religion. Why are then not indians anymore.
Your assumptions are wrong. Muslims are first loyal to their religion and not the the country. Muslims in India find common cause with the Palestians and Iraqis and not with the Hindu kashmiris suffering -- 95% have been kicked out of their homeland by Islamic terrorists.
What sort of educated idiots are these who can not use their wisdom to discern the evils of terrorism. They can not simply act on impulse. That way if the same logic has to be applied- millions hindus who suffered under mugul rule/ muslim invasion must be treating their muslim brothers in India badly - whereas it is not. Majority of Hindus know very well how to keep religion within their homes and are not influenced by few extremist elements in hindu religion also.
Muslims especially in India must act now- moderate leaders, politicians, religious leaders must come forward to lead this community to a peaceful co existence in India. Is there any one in India to take the lead????
RE:Idiotic learning...
by Sushim Roy on Jul 07, 2007 06:21 AM Permalink
people who sell their logic/judgement to others without question are bigger prostitutes than the women who sell their body for food.....god also doesn't know probably how to stop this fanaticism in the name of HIM.......I wonder why the moderate muslims don't convert to other religions like Christianity etc......if being a muslim they can't avoid the clutch of the mullahs....they should convert to other religions/become atheists to come out of their clutches and save themselves.....after all a happy life and a happy family is everything people want....
RE:Gujarat riots were started by muslims, burnt alive 58 innocent Hindus most barbarically
by on Jul 07, 2007 08:37 AM Permalink
gujrat riots were not started by mulims ,this was proved by the commitee set up by the govt of India.Thousands of muslims who were butchered were done so in a plot.shut up and stop bothering muslims
