All political parties r crap. They are following the same policy which Britishers employed - Divide and Rule. The sad part is that we have yet not learned any lessons from our past mistakes. All these parties are only interested in filling their pockets. They behave as opposition in front of the media during the day time and enjoy shabab and kebab with each other in absence of media during the night. So wake up and do not get fooled by them.
RE:Secular in India
by Cape Comorin on Jul 03, 2007 05:38 PM Permalink
BJP already redefined it. 'secularism means attacking minorities ' 'pseudo-secularism means appeasing minorities'
RE:Secular in India
by ANAND on Jul 03, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
BJP is not known as secular party(for ur information), And other parties are secular because they are anti-Hindu.
Hey Guys, Plz dont abuse or balme the Muslim community. We know there are some issues which we feel very strongly about. But blaming the entire community for the acts of few is also not correct.We love them as our brothers and sisters. We should not forget that many Muslim people also come forward for help in time of distress. One such eg. is the rescue effort which was taken up by many Muslim individuals during recent Mumbai train blast. It is good to discuss such topics but one should not cross his/her limits. Therefore I once again request every1 to show some restrain.
FROM ABHINAV TO EPSILON EPSILON EPSILON EPSILON EPSILON by PARA on Jul 03, 2007 04:07 PM | Hide replies
I have come across so many muslims in this board ........and the theme is same........as soon as a terrorist activity happens and is linked to a muslim...............they start blaming RSS / VHP / BJP / USA / UK........everything under the sun......except islam..........I think it is time for them to introspect.........and change to fit into the mainstream all over the world..........and I feel educating them is not the answer.......as clearly seen in this terrorist attack.....he was a doc.Osama is a civil engg...so forth.......
I want to ask them all - can u tell me how many bomb blasts can be attributed to RSS / VHP / BJP all over the world......then I will give u a list of bombings done by islamic radicals......
Modi - Gujarat roit would not have happened if there was no Godhara.......
USA / UK - 9/11 happened first .....and then USA started atatcking Afghanistan.......as far as US was using them to fight USSR - they were bieng payed by USA to fight ...and if they did not want to fight USA could not force them to fight ech other......
In India - noone revers Chota Rajan in Hindus.......but in Muslims Dawood and Abu Salem r treated like god (in Azamgarh in UP where Abu Salem belons - based on a PTI report).
We don't see muslims issuing a fatwa against terrorism........we dont see them protesting agains terrorism ..or asking for hanging of afzal g
RE:EPSILON - HERE ARE QUESTIONS YOU DINT ANSWER
by PARA on Jul 03, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
Epsilon where are you? You ran away? Dont show your face in this board again.
RE:EPSILON - HERE ARE QUESTIONS YOU DINT ANSWER
by PARA on Jul 03, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65 ), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) and strike off their heads; then after making a %u201Cwide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives%u201D for ransom (47:4).
In what context can you justify?
Muhammad was now ready to reveal the real reason behind his new Qiblah. He wanted his militants to fight for what he coveted. Qur'an 2:190 "Fight in Allah's Cause those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah like not the transgressors. (This is the first Verse revealed in connection with Jihad, it was supplemented by the 9th Surah.) Although this verse clearly orders Muslims to fight, the first of many such commands, Islamic apologists use this passage in the Western media to infer that Islamic fighting can only be defensive and moderate. Yet in context, that is not what it says. Just read the next verse: Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter." Slaying them "wherever you find and catch them" is clearly offensive, not defensive. So the prior verse has already been abrogated. And there is no moderation when one says that a belief, or even verbal abuse, is worse than
It is true that every Muslim individual is not a terrorist. I completely agree with this. But it is also true that every terrorist is a Muslim. I think some Islamic organizations like Al Qaeda, Hizbul Mujhaideen ect are using holy Islamic teachings - Jehad in order to devastate humanity. Its high time that Muslim leaders around the world define Jehad in its true light and pursue followers of Islam to keep away from any form of brutality towards humanity. Also every Imam of masjid can guide the people at local level. However no Muslim leader issues any such fatwa and helps people realize their true religion. This is really hurting...
RE:Think
by epsilon on Jul 03, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
But what you attribute to Islam, I attribute it to lack of Islam. Even Saudi Arabia has monarchy and not democracy, not even the form of Government that is prescribed in Islam. People in these countries are killed because they want democracy and these regimes are supported by world powers. Like you said. It is for the muslims to rise against this and press for a democratic society.
RE:Think
by PARA on Jul 03, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Can you show me one successful muslim democracy around the world. Or in history? There is no secular democracy concept in Islam. when they become majority they convert the country to Islamic state like they did with Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan,Bangladesh,Afghanistan,Nigeria and all other muslim countries.
RE:Think
by kushal bansal on Jul 03, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Hi Para What u are saying might be very true. But we are more concerned with the Indian Muslims rather than Muslims all over d world. We want every Indian Muslim to be an Indian in his/her thinking and behavior. We want them to be against every Muslim criminal and show their contempt towards them and propagate humanity than false brotherhood for Muslims all over d world.
My dear brothers in faith and my dear brothers in humanity. We should be grateful to God that we can talk to each other so openly. We should take this opportunity to exchange our views. A view is like a seed. You give me some seeds and I give you some. There is a good chance that the seed of your view would grow into a tree of knowledge. But if we exchange abuse then it is like exchanging thorns...these thorns will grow nothing...
RE:Please....
by epsilon on Jul 03, 2007 04:40 PM Permalink
Brother you have a opinion that you do not know about God. I have a faith that God exists. There is nothing to debate. We are both entitled to our opinions. I feel God exists because even a small organization needs management. This earth is a very big organization. Water from sea floats in the sky and comes to me as rain. The new born turtle know where to go...There is certainly some programming...
RE:Please....
by JGN on Jul 03, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
Then how come the god forget to programe my brain (and also of millions like me)to believe in HIM?
