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by mohd nazair on Feb 25, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
hey u all what is this come on wake up atleast u should have an humanity.....i think we indian r lacking with this one....really we can't think good for any one..... atleast we should support them already they r in their bad time....
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by John Fernandes on Feb 25, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
no wonder u want pakis to stay in india , your name is mohammed after all . when pakis kill innocent indians u people go in hiding
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by narasimha reddy on Feb 25, 2007 08:20 PM Permalink
Hey common sidhu, let the fight and the religion concious remain with the politicians who wants to get the benefits of it. Let us, the humans work for a healthy one world and forget this brutal orthodox thoughts.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 25, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
nazair??? Indians are lacking in humanity??? And does humanity mean that terrorists enter our nation without visas so that more hindus are killed? What about your humanity in Godhra???
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by rajesh bhaskar on Feb 25, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
there are good people and bad people in all religon, when a country is terrorist production factory it is better india make sure that they go back, because there are many pakisthan citizens living in india in gisguise and hiding. see the fact, just because born as muslim don't blind to be fact.. this opionion can't be treated as abuse by moderator
Now the so called meaning of JEHAD is exposed. These terrorists have no religion.They dont distinguish between muslims and non-muslims when they have to kill the innocents.Surprisingly the muslim organizations keep mum when they should come forward to condemn this type of brutual act.But they immediately oppose the move to sing the BANDE MATARAM. They have to change their mindset and accept that these Jehadis are not their wellwisher.
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by Ghost Rider on Feb 25, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Of course the mumbai blasts were the handiwork of LeT and SIMI......and who are these people? Aren't they muslim organizations?
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by collin fernandes on Feb 25, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
wow! what a theory. i should appreciate u intelectuals to come up with this. if hindus are killed its muslims to be blamed if muslilms are killed its muslims to be blamed. now u guys have punching bag keep punching. this is what politicians like modi wanted after all polarisation. with this mentality 20million muslims living mingled with hindus...... its disastourus. may god help india. indian
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 25, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
oy, fern, WE hindus are the punching bags which these traitors are using in India. Don't you see it still? Modi wanted the good of his state which he is achieving day by day. Even his detractor are impressed with him. The only people who can't seem to like him are terrorists because he is strongly against terrorists.
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by Sheikh Hasina on Feb 25, 2007 08:25 PM Permalink
Christians are no better. They are burying bones of young children in missionary hospitals. luring poor people into converting and abusing cultural traditions. they also need to be checked
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by INDIAN on Feb 25, 2007 08:42 PM Permalink
Yes Christians are much worse, they have already destroyed Afganisthan, Iran u opne ur mouth too much Sheikh Hasina they will SHAKE ur brothers in IRAN.
It might not affect u becoz u must be a sunni and will be happy if shiaites die in Iran
atleast this is not the place to discuss such remarks bcoz afterall the news is about the loss of human life and after turmoil of deads' relatives. ofcourse there have been a lot of blood shed in the name of religion but atleast if there is such kind of news we should not make such remarks. i give my condolences to the deads as an indian girl and wish one day it will be a peaceful and a happy world to live in.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 26, 2007 12:18 AM Permalink
For hans solo... your wiki link does not say anything about ashoka killing after the kalinga war. This is the tactics you guys use, i know - post a link to make it seem that the information is authentic (assuming, wrongly, that people won't go to the link and read it's contents).
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by Benny Fraklin on Feb 25, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
I MEANT IN INDIA NOT THE WORLD AROUND US ! UR NATIONALITY ALWAYS COMES FIRST ! SECOND IS UR RELIGION ! COUNTRY OF ORIGIN IN DIFFERENT FROM CASTE & RELIGION
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 26, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
Now fernandes, Ben
Well Christians ? How much U fellas hate Jews so much. Christians are most substandard. One one hand they worhsip Jesus the Jew. He didn;t hate any jew and these so called followers hate the jews next to nothing.
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by rosalind tarshees gregory on Feb 25, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
It is a shame that instead of standing up for Indianism you are defending Hinduism. Please there are people dying all over in India because of starvation and cold. Hey if we continue to play blind to the actual problems and stand up for stupid issues our country is never going to progress. Respect the dead and stop fighting over stupid religious sentiments. Most of the problems around the world is caused by religion. So take a hike.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 26, 2007 12:09 AM Permalink
Rosalind - the word 'India' comes from River Indus (Sindhu). The hindu also comes from the same. India and Hinduism are alike. Indianis IS hinduism.
I am defending Hinduism and i know i will be attacked through all the pretexts that you can find from anywhere. Every Hindu doing so will be attacked. Sometimes you got to defend the religion which has been attacked incessantly by the "seculars", commies, liberals and everyone that has a say and mostly Hindu themselves. What's wrong in defending Hinduism when it's the most tolerant religion and believes in the all paths lead to same god thought. Don't sideline the issue by raising the povverty slogan. It has become a constant theme. Both are different issues. A strong nation needs a united people to move forward and develop economically and provide stability for it. Elimination povverty is an important issues and must be dealt with other issues. No one like to be rich in a fractured society.
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by Ahmed Shah on Feb 25, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
rosalund there are so many muslim children dying in iraq because of ur crusader armies where is respect for the dead in this case u people pay poor africans 1$ to convert them to christianity ( much like what your ancestors were paid here ) and then forget about them and let them starve to death while the Pope lives in lavish, extravagant surroundings. truly, u crusaders are the most hypocritical people anywhere
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by Andrews Selvam on Feb 26, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
becoz christainity is there, u will find hospitality,education and other sources, so mr. ahmed i know u would have studied in one of christain institution and becoz of frustration that u people only involved in terrorism couldn't make this type of social activities.... u have become old so please sit and read the comments not to reply..... u old rat face
Nationality is a man-made boundary. GOD says, "let there be no boundaries, make them all Christians" ALLAH says, "establish the Islami ulma irrespective of boundaries..."
So, people fight in the name of GOD. But no Hindu scriptures says about spreading Hinduism.....there is no such thing as conversion..... The riots you see are the Hindu reactions to muslim atrocities...over which the Govt always a blind eye.
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by Benny Fraklin on Feb 25, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
WHETHER IT'S GOD / ALLAH / LORD SHIV It's any1's individual rights ! " FREEDOM " that's wat our motherland has provided us & many men & women have died for it.EVEN NOW AT THE BORDERS MEN R DYING GOT THAT.U BE LIKE THEM UR NATIONALITY COMES FIRST OR NOT JUST B'COZ MY NAME ENDS IN FRANKLIN I HAVE WESTERN THOUGHTS !I'AM AN EX - NCC CADET DAMN IT !
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
Ben, the point is, converts like you don't respect your own heritage preceding the times your ancestors converted. The heritage, i don't mean the untouchable principles and all. But the values and scriptures that are muc avowed by many enlightened beings like Einstein, Heisenberg etc. Bhagwad Gita, Upanishads etc. You people run away from it, and find respite in things that are not necessarily indigenous all the time which hurts the society when it comes to larger scheme. Chrisitians in India must identify with their Hindu brethern than they are, and relate with the ancient values. They should be Hindu in some way to save the society.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 26, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Don't compare things like that - Shiva has not said anything alike the quotes above.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
Wise words. Hindus need no lecture from you. We only react if others threaten and you bring this garbage about nationality and rights when Hindus react. Yes, country of origin is different from caste and religion. But it seems anyone can screw the Hindus in India and their interests with those words. We will listen only to a critical point. Your western morales, are really good and elightening but India should be seen in a different perspective where conflicts are not the same. But still India has implemented the secular rules and seems it's the only nation from Asiapacific to West Asia which has been following these rules with some credibility for some decades. It's a region in conflict with many authoritarian rules, and India cannot exist in a vacuum.
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by STEPHEN PD on Feb 25, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
Chaitanya... you speak well. But thats the problem with Hindus . all they do is talk abt things. If you were someone who does things you wouldn't be wasting your time here.Everybody knows how great India is or can be but its not those who talk that make it great but those who do. Hindus love to take but hate to giveback. The only place where they give like fools is Thirupathi when there are 1000's of ppl dying of starvation. I hope theis country learns to take with one hand and give with the other.
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by sa sa on Feb 25, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
and Mr Stephen The christians use it to convert hindus by giving the poor some money isnt it?
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by Ahmed Shah on Feb 25, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
millions of christians are dying of starving in africa and u crusaders build lavish places like the Vatican to enable the leader of all crusaders ie the Pope to live in great comfort i hope u crusaders learn to give with both hands
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 26, 2007 12:01 AM Permalink
On this, I agree with ahmed and sa sa. You have a good point, stephen. Hindus are fools because for the last 1000 years of subjugation, they have not been able to get educated (muslims even burnt our books, christians changed our history). So, yes, they should give the money to the poor. You have a bad point here that we are wasting our time here. Do you think rediff is a fool to have this blog-like interface? No. I\\\\\\\'ll try my best to logically (and non-violently, unlike in islamic countries) influence the thoughts of the world. THIS is what hinduism teaches.
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by rosalind tarshees gregory on Feb 25, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
Hey what about Hindu Politicacl leaders Killing a lot of helpless muslim people in Gujarat, the place from where the father of our nation hails! They did not spare women or children. thay killed a pregnant Muslim woman and removed the child from her womb and slaughtered it. Is this what Hinduism teaches you. No religion justifies violence. So stop talking about religion and starting focussing on people who use religion.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 25, 2007 11:56 PM Permalink
And what about hindu women and children being killed / burnt alive in a train in the same gujarat? There is NO proof of the womb incident you are talking of. Rumour mongering is a crime, for your kind information. All judaic religions preach violence very explicitly. Only Indic religions preach peace. And this is what you abrahamic missionaries use to influence hindus.
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by rosalind gregory on Mar 25, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Hey Listen i would be the last person to have anything aboput any religion or its principles. and to all you people who have been pointing fingers at me because of the fact that i am a Catholic you are all a bunch of empty vessels making a lot of annoying noises. I am a Catholic and it does not necessarily mean that i support all that is going around in the world in the name of my religion i felt sorry for you people who having a pointless arguemnet over religion. and whoever mentioned the pregnant women, Go through the India Today Archive and you will get proof. i only believe in Humanity. Hope i made my point clear. I hate all hypocrites who waste their time trying to create a good image for their religoin when their country's image is being tarnished. So go to hell. i dont care what you people think as far as i am concerned i believe in God and i dont think any of you understand the meaning of humanity. I know what it means to suffer. I have met a lot of people who have seen hell on earth. As far as i am concerned all you people are a bunch of losers. So go on and bullshit about Catholicism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism and i dont care what.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
rosalind seems you have something against Hindus. You mention Gandhi on one side and use it to denigrate Hindus who retaliated against Godhra incident which any minority will not dare to commit else-where in the world and reminds how weak a majority Hindus are and how they would be attacked by people like you if something happens. Whereever you are from, you are here to denigrate Hindus and their religion. People who use religion, and you say they shouldn't, then ban the Vatican city and Saudi Arabia to begin with. They have separate constitutional powers and Hindus have none of those and India is their Holy Land. We are imbeclies. I know people like you come here to divert the discussion.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 26, 2007 04:12 AM Permalink
In Gujarat hindus did it only once and you a muslim are showing as if only hindus are culprits. Do you remember what set the hindus to do in gujarat. When the muslims burnt a train full of hindus. it was retaliation not action.
In Kashmir just 400 years ago most hindus were converted to islam by force. 2o years ago now most of the hindus have been killed and driven. AS a Indian muslim did you protest and how many muslims in india have protested.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Nationality comes first. But India is a nation because Hindus are a majority. Others are fighting using christian influence in North East and Islam in Kashmir and other places. India is still a nation because of the similar cultural values of Hindus and their Historical presence here. So nationality must be amended for a new theme.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
INDIAN, seems it's you who is on kick. You gave whole bio data. why would you do that? And yes, Ambedkar was part of the committee that wrote the constitution and the guy must be respected for being a lower caste to make it to top. He was a dalit reformer and wanted people to convert to Buddhism which he did with a large gathering in Nagpur, and he did that to make sure people stay in the fold of Dharmic traditions and not move to other sects so that unity of the society and the fabric could be maintained. He was a wise guy. You like to attack individuals with Hindi words and god know what comes next from your mouth. Instead, don't pass further silly comments and get frustrated or anxious.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
You made it dirty man. I never wanted to attack individuals here. You seem to be looking for one starting with your comments on swamiji and snake charmers. I am posting here just as another Hindu.
you posted something about snake charmers. can you eloborate it. and something about resting on shoulders, shouldn't someone comment dude? is it against constitution? and what do you mean by swamiji? is than another way to abuse the Hindus in India. why don't you say your name man and refute the points or argue against the instead of passing stupid slurs. you just prove, anyone can denigrate Hindus and their culture ignorant of what keeps the society together.
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by INDIAN on Feb 25, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Tho kya thum saara points what u told will put into effect and u will change India from 2morrow.
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by Benny Fraklin on Feb 25, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
Then y r the poor dalits getting screwed by the uppercaste huh? I DON'T SUPPORT ANY CONVERSTIONS AS WELL."But India is a nation because Hindus are a majority".THAT DOES NOT MEAN INDIA IS ONLY FOR HINDUS.
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by INDIAN on Feb 25, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
Dude Wake up!!!!! Mr Chaitayana Swamiji Kumarji you guys are called "" SNAKE CHARMERS"". What culture are u talking about?? SNAKE SHARMING?? otherwise see a STONE on roadside and Start worshipping it.
Sorry to other guys I dont mean to offend anyone, but swamiji kumar behaves as if entire India is on his shoulder.
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by Andrews Selvam on Feb 26, 2007 09:41 AM Permalink
i think u r making a mess over here, by hiding and sending the bullshit messages, talk about nation..... not about other things
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by praveen thakur on Feb 25, 2007 04:37 PM Permalink
Dear Hans,it seems u have no Idea of History.We know Ashoka The Great not becoz he was son of Bindusar or grandson of Chandragupta.He was know for his Very new mehod of administration based on AHINSA,Love i.e. Dhama; very much similar to the concept of Gandhiji.The political rivalry between Magadh and Kalinga was from the regime of Nanda dynasty only.We can't compare the great theory of peace of Ashoka with the barbaric muslim invaders' killing the innocent people. Nor we can compare the same with the christian theory of purchasing the religion of poor tribal people in India.
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by Hans Solo on Feb 25, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
ha ha ha.. wake up dude, take a walk across India.
see how different castes are fighting among themselves. And have you forgotten about PWG and Naxalites? You don't hear them cause either you are deaf on these issues or the government doesn't tell you abt Naxalite rebels.
Couple of months back armed Naxalites has taken over the prision in some state, and many such incident goes unreported.
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by INDIAN on Feb 25, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
If ur so much frustrated and your blood is boiling, what you doing here @ rediff webpage. You should be holding a gun at the Indo Pak Border with BSF
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Naxalites, what about them. They have grievances against the state, but what are you trying to justify. They are powerful where the state is weak like forests and districts populated by tribals. Yes people fight between castes. This is the same pretext East India Company used to takeover India. You sound like one of them. But people have come to unite in some form after a long time and thy exercise adult franchise to vote and select their leaders. It's an evolving process. But people shouldn't take this weaknesses as a pretext to start revolts in regions through misionary maneuvering or jehadi training.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
well, if he stole from entire world, it's a problem for you and me. I never said i believe everything that is written in the constitutions. It sure needs ammendments or reforms of some kind.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
what is there to chill? there are many issues unaddressed and i think i raised some pertinent points though not an expert. Your definition of patriotism is vague.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
Well Ben, poor are getting screwed everywhere. It must be improved and corrected and most of these uppr caste who screw the poor are "secular". Hindu right wing groups have been working with dalits and tribals for a long time now, by brining into their organisation and making them empowered enough to become priests in temples and most inter-caste marriages in India are found among the much avowed communal Hindu groups. The hyprcitical web churned out since the early 20th century by Congress, commies and like minded powers has seeped into every layer of the society and a part of the mindset of "mainstream" hindus. They use Gandhi to play these dirty games and Congress has been using divide and rule policy for a long time now to ensure it's vote bank. Poor must be taken care of, as must be the Brahmins in many states who constitute the poorest in economic terms. Many dirty things happen in India in the name of rights and votes. People are kept ignorant from learning facts.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 26, 2007 12:04 AM Permalink
"On this, I agree with ahmed and sa sa. You have a good point, stephen. Hindus are fools because for the last 1000 years of subjugation, they have not been able to get educated (muslims even burnt our books, christians changed our history). So, yes, they should give the money to the poor. You have a bad point here that we are wasting our time here. Do you think rediff is a fool to have this blog-like interface? No. I'll try my best to logically (and non-violently, unlike in islamic countries) influence the thoughts of the world. THIS is what hinduism teaches." Exactly... THAT is why the christian missionary groups are against the hindu groups - because if the hindu groups succeed in getting caste equality, these missionaries will fail in their target of getting converts in the name of inequalities in hinduism.
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by Andrews Selvam on Feb 26, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
hey nandagopal, as if in india there is no violence and u people r very much affectionate, did pakistan asked the cauvery water???????????? u dum shits dont want to help each other in any source, when it comes india, u stupids talk about only hindu,,,, y don't u wake up and talk about nation, all put together is india.... so be indian first then comes the religion.... jai hind
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
Hans Solo, what about Ashoka? didn't the guy change after the war? did he not convert to Buddhism and use his presence and influence to spread those peaceful preachings far and wide. You need to read to read some history.
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by Hans Solo on Feb 25, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
And you conveniently forgot the mayhem, massacare that he had unleashed.
The story abt his repentance is only a fantasy that chaps like you will believe. The sounds good for a bollywood movie.
Reality is he committed those act of massacare even after converting to Buddishim. This may be news to you cause your history know-how is only from watchin bollywood flicks.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
well, "INDIAN", you keep abusing the Hindus this way and see how many will turn into swamijis will lynch you someday. better to keep your mouth shut. You like to stereotype the Hindus with snake charmers and rope walkers. there is much to it than you know.
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by INDIAN on Feb 25, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
abh what shud i say, I dont want to break your heart. Today I saw on INDIA TV again charmin the snake. Now what shud I say stereotype ya mentalblock, whatever !!! it is rite.
Tum jho karthe ho , that is what I told, now if u dont like truth what shud I say
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
your comments are getting sillier eachtime. who told you i watch bollywood movies and what's the purpose of bringing it into discussion. Where did you read that Ashaka killed after converting to Buddhism? how many did he kill and how many did he try to convert to those ways? bring some facts. don't blabber.
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by Genial Pawan on Feb 25, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
can you tell me did you ever got a problem from christian or did any christian behave with you like that the way you have explained christian??????????????
i don't know what rubbish are you churning here, but this is what the excerpt in wikipedia says:
"Ashoka's response to the Kalinga War is recorded in the Edicts of Ashoka. According to some of these (Rock Edict XIII and Minor Rock Edict I), the Kalinga War prompted Ashoka, already a non-engaged Buddhist, to devote the rest of his life to Ahimsa (non-violence) and to Dhamma-Vijaya (victory through Dhamma). Following the conquest of Kalinga, Ashoka ended the military expansion of the empire and over 40 years of peace, harmony and prosperity followed until Ashoka's death."
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
the christian missionaries have been involved in helping the revolt groups in Nagaland, Maegalaya, Arunachal Pradesh as most of the population is christian dominated. As i said, the western principles of secularism, democracy, liberalism of their kind are enlightening and praiseworthy thoughts, but the power of church is used to manuever the happenings in the subcotninent since a long time. They like India to be a weak nation as it is now. And their interests in India of converting masses but depriving them after doing that just for the number sake and to influence the events through political power is a matter of concern. The power of church encompasses and transcends entities that mortal like you and me cannot comprehend because of the brainwashing we go through in every layer. No exaggeration if you are a Hindu.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
well, there are disputes everywhere. People like to encourage them in someway instead of uniting to keep other unknown of their misdoings as with the points i raised.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
It's political realities we are talking about and how people are influencing through power to start revolts and weaken the state. Not my dealing with some christian. don't get emotional.
