RE:Pak will bleed more
by ismail shaik on Feb 23, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
Mr. Biswal U admit it was hand of Hindu fundamentalists/terrorists. I believe whoever involve in anti-humen activities in the world, they are guilty, whatever their caste, creed or color may be.(Ismailsk)
RE:Sab Time Pass Hai Mamu.
by Raj Aryan on Feb 23, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
egdum correct helidri vagganavar sahebra.. ye bhari vajan ada nimma mathinyaga !!!!
Pakistan always try to hide his fault. there might be possibilities India will get more information about the blast but pakistan do not want to participate in this activity. May be its terroist activity which is performed by the pakistan releated.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Samjhauta Express blasts
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 23, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
sorry a correction...which took more than 100,000 Indian lives in the past 15 years.
Our politicians condemn the incident. Our PM issues his usual statement saying that terrorism will be dealt firmly. Nobody will take him seriously.And he knows this. But he has to issue that statement. As usual Left & Laloo will blame Hindutava forces. BJP hold central govt responsible for being too soft on terrorists.Police as usual will be clueless. Police will blame terrorists from across the border. They make some arrests based on suspicion. Media will get a lot of fodder to talk about this for next few days. NDTV & IBN live will conduct chat programmes where the so called intellectuals & pseudo secualrists will join together & express their opinion that Pakistan cannot be involved in this & hint that it is a handiwork of Hindutva forces. For a Common man like you & me, it's one more tragedy. We thank ourselves for being lucky one more time. And we get busy with our work. Life goes on. After some days of lull one more incident will happen & the same sequence of events are repeated. But still the life goes on.
This is how we lead our life in India. Human life does not have any value here. Nobody cares for others. Indian Middle Class & educated people, even though they are alive, they are as good as dead & buried.
And lastly most of the people who call themseleves as educated, "Do Not Even Vote" in the general elections.
Until & unless everybody concerned decides to clean the system, this will continue. Most of us are waiting for the whole system to change on it's own which is not possible.
In this country everything is on sale including morality & ethics. Just for few ruppees evrybody is ready to anything.
Act now Or else wait & watch the politicians ruin this country???
RE:What Next??
by jason ns on Feb 23, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Well said Amit, but that is the sad reality! This is the exact way our politicians and media behave. You have the correct accessment mate.
RE:RE:What Next??
by bharathi raja on Feb 23, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Dear Parthasarathy, I don't agree with you. If you cast ur vote for some independent (even though he loses)it will increase the polling percentage. When this percentage becomes more than 90% then only our politicians will think (fear) abt the middle class educated. The reason for creation of pseudo-secularists is the vote bank only. Muslims and Christians are casting their franchise more than 90% so automaticaaly these politicians are rushing towards them. So please vote.
RE:RE:What Next??
by mpncn mpn on Feb 23, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
Dear Partha, Pls vote for teh person who you feel is the best among them.U can not find 100 % righet person in Indian politics, but atleast if u find a person who is better in it go for him..rather than not puting ur vote - Muslims and christians does vote to teh candidate who is from their community, but we hindus always stay divided ourselves and the educated chaps like u and others who thinks intelligently and stay away from it so that proudly can say , am not a part of the corrupted system- I can understand ur sitaution, pwe all are frustarted by seeing the corruption and highly biased policies of govt. Instead of keeping mum against it and running away by not casting votes, come together talk and do whatever possible to change the viewing angle of politicians or govt.
RE:What Next??
by Soumendu Bagchi on Feb 23, 2007 09:56 AM Permalink
Amit, i was both happy and sad to read what you wrote. happy that there is somebody who has seen through it all and seen very clearly. sad that what you said is the bitter truth. we have failed in building a true nation, an honest government and a caring society. there doesnt seem to be any hope of improvement. the new economy will benefit a few million, but we are more than a billion.
RE:What Next??
by bharathi raja on Feb 23, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
Dear Amit, Well said and correctly said. no more explanation reqd to describe our condition here.
As pointed by me in one of my earlier posts (few months ago), there are some problems that the Indian muslims today are stuck with, and no doubt Islam is a great religion, but it urgently needs reforms. The following steps need to be taken (of course by the muslims themselves) for their own betterment: 1) Must accept that there is a problem with the current state (thinking) of Muslims. Must admit that majority of muslims today (even the Indian muslims) have extreme views. 2) Abolish customs like butchering goats at home. 3) Do away with female subjugation practices.
More on this later.
I hope I haven't offended any of the muslim brothers by this. Let me know if you disagree with something.
RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by Anurag Shrivastava on Feb 23, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
I agree muslims hae to change...and upper caste hindus have been trying hard to take the society forward. However - a lot needs to be done by Hindus themselves before we start advising muslims to reform themselves- which is best if driven by enlightened community within Muslims themselves. The muslim community is undergoing a huge identity crisis as their is the only civilization apart from Africans who have been left behind in modern education and practices. The Chinese are booming, Hindus are shining in technology , Jews are far ahead and christians anyway had a huge head start. Give them some time and some sanity will prevail in them. Right now they are in a denial stage and will be complete closed to suggestions and will continue to parrot as to how theirs is "the superior way of life"
RE:RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by saju nair on Feb 23, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Anurag, To tide over the identity crisis government has/is/will provide the necessary help like reservations, affirmative action,banking loans etc. etc.
RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by KK on Feb 23, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
Rishi,
Thanks for expressing your views. I was trying to be pragmatic. It is easier for people to change. Religions sometimes involve such a strong faith of people that it becomes very very difficult to bring about changes. The whole world knows that the majority of muslims today have extreme views. Any one denying that has to be a hypocrite. I think a pragmatic solution would be to identify the key issues that need to be tackled. This has to be done by muslims themselves.
RE:RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by Abul Hassan on Feb 23, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
Dear Rishi,
Have you read Quran, do you know what is writen there. I suppose you have not reade it. You are floating with the wind and wave. Whatever media especially westen media is projecting about Islam, you are believing that and even suporting that also.Here, i think that you need some logical thinking. One should not blame anything without a through study of it.Islam never propagated hatred and violence. There are some peolpe who are misusing and misinterpreting islam.Further more, your so called ex-muslim friend, i suppose they never entered islam, if they had known the real islam and its meaning,they would never have converted back to any other religion.As far as greatness is concerned history is the eyewitness, every one knows whos has been great, why Islam that started from a small country spread so far and wide and allumdu-lilah-it is growing . Amen to that.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by rishi on Feb 23, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
Hassan: Dont get me started on how Islam spead and how much humanity suffered for it.
I can start from the battle of Badr and go all the way to the current Jihad in Kashmir.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by Abul Hassan on Feb 23, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
You have some preconcieved ideas those are fuul of biasedness.
RE:RE:RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by Abul Hassan on Feb 23, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
I challenge you for open debate on this topic. As it is clear from all the statement made above. That muslim never criticize other,s faith.
RE:RE:RE:Islam is a great religion, but urgently needs reforms.
by ganesh kulkarni on Feb 23, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
Dear Abul Hassan,
Dont be fooled and dont fool others. Did you ever read Koran yourself seriously or argueing all this what you learned from some illitereate maulavi from mosque? Before advaising someone else to study Koran why dont you check some of the verses of Koran which only teach and preach hatred and nothing else. Those verses of koran (2:191 9:29, 25:52, 8:12, 66:9, 2:137, 9:05) speak for themself. As muslims like you (not me) BELIEVE they are direct words of Allah, READ OUT truth in those verses. Dont hide behind western or non muslim intelectuals and what those fools say. That is TAQIYA, which means fooling innocents. Please dont fool us and yourself. Read Koran in original, if you are honest believer. Koran says in many words itself that, Prophet in his original preaching and through the word of Allah himself guides and orders believers to kill terrorise and impose Islam at the point of sword. If few western leftists intelectuals or moderate muslim intelectuals are talking of something else or contradictory to Koran thats hypocracy, and following them make you hypocrite. Can you deny these following verses are not in Koran? Do you deny they teach or preach hatred?
2:191>>>And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
9:29>>>Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
25:52>>>So do not follow the unbelievers, and strive against them a mighty striving with it.
8:12>>>When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
66:09>>>O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.
02:137>>>If then they believe as you believe in Him, they are indeed on the right course, and if they turn back, then they are only in great opposition, so Allah will suffice you against them, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
09:05>>>So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
It is true that we blame everything on Pakistan and claim that the Paki terrorists are behind every attack. This is simply not true. The truth is even bitter. The real people who conduct these terror attacks are sometimes the "innocent" Indian muslims. This is unfortunate but quite true. Anyone who denies this has to be a hypocrite.
RE:Reply to the previous post by John rose (which someone has reported for abuse)
by Praveen B on Feb 23, 2007 09:27 AM Permalink
To John rose statement: -----"Indian media always refer to LET but tell me how many terrorist activities around the world have been done by LET of JEM. The only activity by them is in Kashmir."
What does that imply? Since they don't extend their activities outside Kashmir, should they be praised, and left without convicting?
RE:RE:Reply to the previous post by John rose (which someone has reported for abuse)
by rishi on Feb 23, 2007 09:47 AM Permalink
John Rose is misleading. and you are agreeing to it Praveen.
Lashkar-e-Taiyyaba and Jaish-e-Mohammad are both under the funding and recruitment umbrella of Markaz-al Da'awaa.
Markaz is very popular in Pakistan and amongst Muslims in Middle East, Europe and America and is funded generously by them.
It is part and parcel of the International Islamic Front (better known as Al Qaeda) responsible for inspiring and funding most terror attacks around the world in the last 10 years.
RE:RE:RE:Reply to the previous post by John rose (which someone has reported for abuse)
by jay malhotra on Feb 23, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
John Rose has received Rs 500 and a picture of VIRGIN Marry for converting to christianity. Leave this poor guy.
RE:Reply to the previous post by John rose (which someone has reported for abuse)
by Praveen B on Feb 23, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
"The truth is even bitter". How did you know this "truth"? Are u there in the investigation team?
RE:RE:Reply to the previous post by John rose (which someone has reported for abuse)
by KK on Feb 23, 2007 09:28 AM Permalink
I was not referring to just the recent terror attacks. I am talking about the majority of terror attacks that take place in India. It is not difficult to perceive that such attacks could not be successful without local support. Poor and uneducated muslims are often "attracted" to this terror business
Why are we talking on this let them do whatever they are doing to their citizens, people were crying, pledging but still forced. How do we care even if they kill them? they are paying price to be in a country like paistan, its their bad luck, what else. Lets discuss some good things about India, hey did you all heard bullet train will be proposed in this years budget. India is becoming economic super power man. God bless you all.
Indians should at least of ashamed of themselves that they were not able to provide proper security to the Pakistani Nationals. Whoever did this terrorist activity is a seperate issue. The way even normal checking was not done seems that may be some state agencies are even involved in it.
For all those who have been barking above. I would only say that even if every incident is related to Pakistan in the past (which infact doesn't) even then how can you just conclude in less than 24 hours that it has been done by Pakistanis. Indian intellegence agencies are a total failure. Easy salaries, isn't it. Whatever happens. Just say LET. For your kind information, Indian media always refer to LET but tell me how many terrorist activities around the world have been done by LET of JEM. The only activity by them is in Kashmir.
RE:RE:Indians should be ashamed of themselves.
by jay malhotra on Feb 23, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
John Rose has received Rs 500 and a picture of VIRGIN Marry for converting to christianity. Leave this poor guy.
