Problems of Hindu girls in UK and Scotland Yard to set up Hindu Safety Forum
'Hindu girls targeted by extremists' Thursday, February 22, 2007
Muslim extremists who try to force teenage Hindu girls to convert to Islam are being targeted in a new police crackdown. The recruiters %u2013 often paid £5,000 for each success %u2013 are stepping up 'aggressive conversion' tactics, especially around universities, religious leaders believe. The Metropolitan Police have stepped in after commissioner Sir Ian Blair said many Hindus felt neglected by Scotland Yard. Some young students have been beaten up and forced to abandon their courses by extremists, Hindu leaders told a security conference. Islamic extremists invited the girls on dates before beginning campaigns of 'terrorism' until they converted, they claimed. Ramesh Kallidai, from the Hindu Forum of Britain, said: 'Extremist Muslims make life miserable for Hindu girls. 'Some are petrified; they feel these men have complete hold on them. One girl was beaten up in the street and others have been forced to leave university.' The problem was most common in cities such as Birmingham, Leeds and Bradford, he added, while London universities had 'at least two or three cases' each. Mr Kallidai estimated hundreds of girls had been targeted, with some reports of Muslim boys being offered £5,000 'commissions'. The National Union of Students said it did not want to discriminate against Muslims but agreed some extremists were causing concern. They have managed to infiltrate Brunel University in West London, Bedfordshire University, Sheffield Hallam University and Manchester Metropolitan University, according to a Muslim charity. Sheikh Musa Admani, a 'troubleshooting' imam, fears many radicals are easily by-passing university bans on extremist sects such as Hizb ut Tahrirs and Al-Mujahiroun. Scotland Yard is to set up a Hindu Safety Forum with 'aggressive conversion' as its top priority. Sir Ian said: 'There is a feeling in the Hindu community that we have not given them as much attention as other groups.'
RE:Problems of Hindu girls in UK and Scotland Yard to set up Hindu Safety Forum
by Raj on Apr 13, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
Its been a curse on earth that these extremists are ever born. The conversion is happening all over the world. Muslim girls are sent to madrasas with a very specific aim of instilling hatred in them for other religions, and to inculcate in them a sense of great fear if they even think of converting to other religion. They are encouraged to only marry a muslim or a non muslim, if they can convert him. Now the men, the mullas brain wash these boys into beleiving that they will be doing a great service to allah if they convert a few non muslims in this life, they are guaranteed heaven, and all their sins washed off if they converty others. This sort of trainnig is not given in any other religion, making the young impressionist boys and girls to fall for them. The muslim boys with their "show" of love befriend hindu and christian girls and persuade them to marry them, and than converting them.They use these girls as factories for producing more muslims.After this aim is achieved the girls are of no use but to serve them and remained confined to the four walls.Recently there was a case of Molly campbell a 12 year old girl born to Scottish woman and a pakistani muslim, who ran away to karachi and is now living there with her father. She says that her life in pakistan is much better now, as she is getting more money and comforts, but she is very young and she doesnt know that she is like a caged bird with her wings cut away. Hindus and Christian girls should beware of this great evil. Dont go for the face of these muslim guys, cos they are muslims first and they dont know love.
Why confront Islamism? Because if we don't it will continue to get more extreme. This is not Islamophobia, as many Muslims and their apologists protest. A phobia is a baseless irrational fear. Detestation of Islamism, the violent form of Islam, is based on irrefutable facts and it is not only rational, it is ethically imperative.
It is a virtue to take action to oppose the hateful, a vice to ignore it. It is a virtue to hate tyranny, misogyny, discriminations of all sorts, oppression, and all manners of violations of the legitimate rights of individual and peoples. Islamism is a mutation of Islam into a terrible menace. It is religious fascism, a destroyer of liberty and much of what free people cherish. Therefore, it must be confronted.
Islamism, Islamofascism, radical Islam and political Islam, are different terms for essentially the same thing: a virulent, hateful, and violent system of beliefs and practices. Yet, one and all are progeny of Islam itself.
It is a systemic problem of Islam that inevitably gives rise to Islamism. The three scriptures of Islam, the Quran, Islam's holy book; the Hadith, sayings of Muhammad as recorded by his contemporaries; and the Sunnah, the life examples of Muhammad himself, together form the body of Islamic beliefs. They provide an array of frequently confusing, multiple-meaning and even outright contradictory dogma that enable anyone to pick and choose certain teachings of Islam and justify anything they do on the basis of the scripture.
The Quran enjoys a sanctified standing, since Muslims believe it is written by Allah himself. Allah handed down the Quran to Archangel Gabriel, chapter by chapter, to deliver to Muhammad over the course of some 22 years. Muhammad could neither read nor write. So Gabriel had to whisper the chapters to him and Muhammad in turn would reveal them to a literate person who happened to be around to write them down on anything he could find. To Muslims, every word of the Quran is a literal perfect immutable eternal word of Allah himself. Therefore, no man or divine is ever to revise, much less dispute, the Quran.
The hodgepodge of Islamic scripture is the medium for generating all kinds of mutations, some of which such as Islamism are extremely dangerous. A segment of any society, at any time, is staffed by people who feel disaffected, alienated, and disenfranchised. It is from the ranks of this population that Islamists heavily recruit.
Islamism's rallying cry is also of particular attraction to the young since it is rabidly anti-establishment. The young lack a major stake in society but brim with action-inclined vitality. They are among the most willing recruits to anti-establishment causes. Older leaders frequently take advantage of the young's proclivity to act and enlist them as foot-soldiers in their cause. The Hitler's youth, the Soviet Union's young Communists, and the Islamic Republic of Iran's Basij (young Islamic storm troopers) are some examples of the young's enlistment by tyrannical systems.
Furthermore, there is excitement in action, any action. The greater the risk, the greater is the excitement. Tis feature is highly attractive to a significant segment of the population. That's why it is said that war is exciting, while peace is boring. The validation of this dictum is seen daily, for instance, in numberless arenas where battles rage between combatants, be they cocks, dogs, or human. Throngs of spectators pay by time and money to participate vicariously in the socially-approved brutalities.
In any physical contest, the more violent side usually prevails. The Islamists use ruthless force to eliminate the opposition or to intimidate them to join its ranks.
Islamism is rapidly advancing on two fronts. In every Islamic country, it is cowing the non-radicals while recruiting more and more radicals into its own ranks. In non-Muslim lands, Islamism,flush with Petrodollars, is establishing itself as a formidable force by enlisting the disaffected and attracting the delusional liberals with its promises. For the faithful, there is the added incentive of Allah's heaven and its irresistible attractions.
There are those who claim that the majority of Muslims in the world are moderate and non-violent. It may be so. Yet, the silence of this majority is deafening, although, they do speak up from time-to-time by, for instance, claiming that the 9/11 slaughter was the work of the Jews, even when Osama himself proudly admits the dastardly act.
This very same Muslim majority pours into the streets of the West on a moment's notice to protest against the slightest perceived affront to its sanctities, but they almost march to condemn the violent acts of the Islamists or speak up against them. This sort of behavior by the majority makes it complicit with the Islamists.
In spite of all this, Islam's apologists and lobbyists want us to accept the notion that the present Islamic radicalism is an aberration that, given time, will dissipate as have all radical movements of the past. These folk fail to tell us about the radical movements that inflicted horrors on humanity before they expired. Here are a few instances of the bloody acts of radicalism from Wikipedia:
Japan 1910-45. Imperial Japanese killed 25,000,000 Chinese and enslaved millions of Koreans. Soviet Union 1918-89. Communists killed 20,000,000 of their own citizens. Germany 1940-45. Nazis killed 11,000,000 Jews, Romas, homosexuals, Slavs, the mentally ill and Communists. China 1950-80. Communists killed 65,000,000 fellow Chinese. Bangladesh 1971. Pakistan Muslims killed 1,500,000 Hindus and fellow Muslims. Cambodia 1975-79. Communist Cambodians killed 1,700,000 Cambodians. Afghanistan 1979-89. Soviet Communists killed unspecified number of Afghans. Sudan 1983-2007. Arab/Muslims killed over 2,000,000 Africans. Iraq's socio-fascist Baathist government slaughtered several hundred thousand Kurds and Shiites during Saddam Hussein's reign of terror. And let us not forget the genocidal mullahs presently ruling Iran. These Islamofascists executed, without the least due process, tens of thousands of the opposition in order to consolidate their Islamist tyranny. The mullahs' present project is the subjugation of the region and, down the road, the world itself.
Islamism threatens to set a new record for brutality, contrary to the contention that there is no reason to worry about it. Jihadist Wahabism's tentacles are reaching out from its cradle in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf Arab Emirates. The Petrodollar flush Sunni zealots are liberally financing mosques, madrasas (Islamic indoctrination schools), Islamic centers at universities, front organizations and lobbyists to promote the Wahabi virulent Islamism in every part of the world.
Murderous Shiism, led by Iran's racing to arm itself with the ultimate weapon, is busily doing whatever it can to ensnare the world into Islam's nation, the Ummah. The purported peaceful Muslim majorities are nowhere to be seen. They are either complicit with the Islamists or on the retreat from Southeast Asia to the Americas, from Australia, to Europe.
Islamism is a pincers, with the world in its jaws between the end-of-the-world Shiism and the jihadist Sunnis. The two jaws aim to crush the life of all non-believers. It is imperative that people who value liberty rise up and act to defeat Islamism. Here are some specific suggestions:
Any mosque, Islamic center or front organization that condones or promotes hate or violence must be shut down. Islamic studies centers at universities must be scrutinized to guard against mercenary academes who deceptively preach the gospel of Islamism. Lobbyists and front organizations serving Islamism must be investigated as to their sources of funds. Laws should be enacted to protect all media and individuals against lawsuits, so that they can report the truth without risking ruinous litigations. Imams, mullahs and others who promote Islamic hate doctrine should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Local Muslims should review Islamic literature, including the Quran, and should mark them with an asterisk, disavowing teachings of hate and violence or purge them entirely. It is urgent that we confront Islamism. All free people, Muslim or not, must demand that their governments, at all levels, abandon the practice of political correctness and act to safeguard liberty against the truly deadly assault of Islamism on the rest of the World.
I am surprised how Kasuri can ask India for co-operation in the field of intelligence agencies, when they (pakistan) is maintaining double standard and keep their financial crest gate opened for the terriorist and on the other hand wearing a peace mask before the world asking India for co-operation. They should remember that they have given a shelter to Dawood who is the main accused in the Mumbai Blast and even though India has furnished sufficient evidence against Dawood they have not handedover him to India, instead they are protecting him in all the ways. Also in the recent Mumbai train blast the Pakistan is directly involved and also in the Panipat train blast, but they are not ready to accept the truth and face the reality instead they are asking India for co-operation. By Co-operating with them India has sustained heavy loss / lives in the past by the way of Samjotha Express, Bus Services, Easy Visa system. The pakistan is making use of all these facility to encourage terrorism in India and pushing their militants to India in the mask of tourist which is unfair on their part.
In my opinion our Govt. should cutoff all the connections whatever it may be with Pakistan and should seal the border and should not entertain Pakistan for any discussions and if at all they want to have any discussions with India, our Govt. should put forward a condition that they should handover the full of Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Dawood and other militants who are in the wanted list without any conditions.
If they can do so we can have a conditional discussions
A good article by Mr. Raman. The Pakistan is a failed state. Bilateral talks are going on for past 20 years without any fruitful results. All the terroists activities of Pakistan is known to USA and it is USA who is funding Pakistan. Once US stops giving aid to Pakistan. these Pakistani will go to stone age. Not to forget 1993 bomb blast where evidence were destroyed by US. So real culprit is US as well
Before taking any action towards making cordial relationship with Pakistan, Present Indian Government should learn with past. Earlier we have taken so much decision to make friendly relationship with our neighbour. Why we can not behave like US and teach them lesson forever? Why we should have friend like Pak? We do not require the Pak as friend. We are doing good enough. come on Foreigh Minister. Take some constructive decision. Jai Hind.
Well said Mr. Rama. Best article based on facts. It is an open invitation for Pak to show honesty. The door is open for honest relationship. Hope Pak realizes the sensistivity of the issues.
Once again Mr B. Raman has written an excellent account of events people were not privy to. This serves extremely well to educate all of us who care for the well being our country to make sure that our leaders do not ignore these facts when they make decisions on cooperating with Pakistanis and for that matter even CIA. Mr. Raman did not include an example of treachery by CIA when they destroyed the physical evidence of ISI involvement in Bombay blast we handed over to them. The need is to vigorously question our leaders in open letters to media about their decisions and remind these "Paki Khakis" and their surrogates like Kasuri that their chicks are coming home to roost and therefore not to ask us to pull their chestnuts out of fire for them.
An excellent analysis and thought provoking. Its a fact that ISI is involved in this act too! and they do not want to get caught. They airlifted critical patients also to hide evidence. The useless UPA allowed military flights to land and handover evidence to Pakis! Why we never learn. Don't we have any shame. Did Pak ever send even a goat or shepherd from there to India. Why do we behave as chicken. I really pity our leaders - such cowards we cannot find in any country now or in history. They are so scared to loose their offices. Sonia may not know Indian history, Left does not care for Indian history but how can Manmohan forget about rapes and killings of Sikhs at least (no one cares for Hindus though). Dear Sir, wake up, stand up on your legs. You have seen every thing and done every thing. What are you scared of. If you loose your job, I will give you money to have decent life till you die. Its better to die for India any day than have these insults on our nation! Get up sir from your slumber before it is too late. Jai Hind.
Article based on facts unlike other pseudo-secular riff raff. Litmus test of secularist(and pseudo's) writing is whether you are prepared to stand up for these terrorists or not. This way we (Indians) can easily sort the wheat from the chaff.
RE:Hindus now having problems with Christians and Dalits not to speak of Muslims!!!
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
It's India and you got the nerve to post an article that is against Hindus by all means. Would you do the same if it's USA or a Muslim nation where you can corner the Chrisitians and Muslims. People have every right to make sure Dalits and others don't convert when they encourage the same people to become pujaris in temples and enter their shakhas and don't discriminate them. The fabric of the society must be protected without which the demographics go through changes that might ultimately fail the state. People like you, they take it as an opportunity to sideline the Hindus for mischevous grievances. For all the article you posted, you will never be able to prove if you are an Indian. It's India and Hindus are it's protectors, not stupid converts like you who bow before the Arab masters like slaves.
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by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 25, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
Chaitanya, FYI, people do it in the US all the time. Recently, someone moved the supreme court to have the 10 commandments removed from a courthouse in texas because it violated the separation of church and state.
Religion is a personal thing, and people must have the right to convert their beliefs if they wish. You dont have to be a X'ian just because your parents are X'ians, or any other religion for that matter. You may even decide that all religions are bullcrap and become an atheist. It is a crime to convert people by force (actually, to force people into doing anything), but short of that, anything goes... Any incentive-food, clothing shelter etc is fair game, because it involved free will of the person concerned... How many hindu organizations do charity? Compare it with the amount of charity X'ian organizations do and you will see the difference. Dont say that X'ians get funds from developed countries... Tirupati is the second richest religious organization in the world, but its record for philantrophy is hardly commensurate. We hindus believe in donating to the Brahman, not the orphanage or old age home or whatever (I've seen this happen in my extended family). We need introspection... why are people converting? 5000 years of supression, neglect by current governments and hindu organizations? Hunger can make people do anything, religion no bar.
So, maybe when you decide to donate money to some temple, think of giving it to an NGO that does charity in a remote village for poor people. Maybe it will take away a weapon from the hands of the missionaries... Will you do it though? Do you think it will give you the punya you seek?
Imaan has every right to say what he just said, as an Indian. Just because it isnt popular doesnt make it a lie. Just one point: A dalit Christian or buddhist is an oxymoron. Dalits are a strata of hindu society by definition, and hence those who cease to be hindus cease to have any caste. (In all probabilty, they take on names of their adopted religion, so all traces of their caste are destroyed.)
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
Temple funds are being relocated to build madrassas and fund proselytising organisations and god knows what. So Tirupati can sit and watch as funds are diverted. About christian missionaries doing good work, yes they did a lot. But why convert? I studied a missionary school for a long time and memories are still good. But converting people is not the right thing to do by using various influencing tactics. And Hindu groups are not far behind in this charity work. They are catching up. The christian groups, more than good work they do, they have the power to muscle. Worldwide power they have. And people like you who support them by getting brainwashed. Whatmore can they ask. Hindus supporting christian missionaries and branding Hindu groups as Communal and divisive forces.
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by Tamil Arasan on Feb 27, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
This site has become a hate-filled message board for RSS HATE kings like chaitanya kumar & nandagopal.These cunning brahmins played caste politics for 1000's of years & managed to keep the lower castes out of the main stream by denying them education that would open their eyes to the world.And these brahmins were living off the sweat & tears of others for God knows how long! Even their Vedas proudly proclaimed that "Molten lead should be stuffed into the ears of the lower caste people who dared to come any where near an educational institution'!! . Because education was thrown open to one & all by the christian missionaries they are sore at them I think. Now that they've understood that power is slowly slipping out of their hands as more & more of the down trodden are getting the blessing of a good education, inspite of the the brahmins best efforts, they have their backs to the wall!! So they now want to play the religion card by acting as if they are the protectors of all hindus world-wide!! and play one religion against another.These same hindus who made fellow hindus carry their shit for 100's of years just because he belonged to a different caste now suddenly proclaim that they are there only to save the hindus irrespective of their caste & what's worse, they expect the common man to believe them. How stupid can these brahmins get!! Move on boys find something else to fool the people with. We are sick of your "Hindu protection" stuff. We can protect ourselves without your help,thank you !! Come up with some thing else!!
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by Krishnan Hariharan on Mar 03, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
Tamil Nadu is a sacred land. Great men were born there like Agastiyar, Avvaiyar, Thiruvalluvar, Thirumoolar, Appar, Sundarar, Manickavasagar, Sivanandar, Appayya Dikshitar, Sadashiva Brahmendra and so on others. All this glorious Godly tradition is slowly being poisoned by the so called Tamil intellectuals. Most of these guys who fight for Tamil cant even spell the Tamil letter "ZHA" properly. Tamil Nadu is already facing water scarcity, dirty streets, polluted rivers, depleting forests etc. Its cinema is taking a downward turn which is almost like an abuse of the Tamil Language. Atheist fronts have already gang-raped Tamil. Now for all their frustrations they turn on to the Brahmins. After this they will turn on each other and the civilization will get destroyed. Dear brothers, remember there is a God above who is seeing all your falsity. Don't fool yourself into the hate game. A person who opposes you may be your friend, a person who sings to your tunes may dig your grave. "Theethum Nandrum Pirar Thara Vaara"... Good and bad are caused by ourselves and not others!
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by Mahesh Sampat on Feb 28, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
Missionary cheats!!Look to what extent RSS wimps like madhwa mysore stoop to. Any one oppossing them have learnt the trade from missionary cheats it seems.Boy OH boy come 2 america & the west babydoll & U'll know 1st hand who is converting who.How has the Hare-rama Hare-Krishna increased its membership 100 fold in all these years. By divine intervention ? Who is converting hollywood-stars & the rest of the gullible white folk 2 hinduism thro' vegetarianism,yoga ,TM etc,etc just 2 name a few! Even here U hypocrites practice racism blatantly. I've yet 2 come across one black(afro-american) Hare rama Guy in the US or anywhere else in all these years!! OR is hare-rama for the white folk only ? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones weenie boy !! Now why do u're brahmin cousins rush 2 good old USA when U hate xians so much? I wonder. The power of the $$bill is stronger than religion?? Why did u're KS Sudarshan ask the pope 2 join him in the fight against islamic terrorism. Why could'nt he have asked Osama Bin's help 2 fight george w.bush "another xian cheat" as u would like 2 call him!! Think,think,think mama'sdoll before spewing out u're venom!!
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Funds of Tirupati come under the Temple Emdowments ministry of Andhra Pradesh. They are not a independent authority. But the record of the authority has been good with it's limited scope of maneuvering. People have a impression that Hindu temples are here to only loot. Each laddu(prasad) of Tirupati devasthanam is given at very less price than it's cost of production. And tens of thousands of people are given free food each day. Learn before you comment.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
No traces of their castes will be destroyed if they convert. The caste is deep rooted in Indian society and it's effects are not limited to Hinduism. the converts are treated as dalits and by doing that, they also weaken the nation and mainstream media which doesn't tell these things but attacks the Hinduism all the time, and people like you make these opinions from it.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
In USA, they removed the commandments from courthouse. But in India the Hindu commandments were never inculcated into the constitution. Everything is foriegn borrowed. Stitched and worn by Congress and "Seculars" and others have no authority to comment on it, and these bas_tards are the most corrupt creatures who are dividing and ruling India in the name of many things by keeping people ignorant. And moreover, the secularism in India is in perverted form. They will not allow separate personal law boards in USA or UK. In every dirty game is played in the form of secularism. And we have dudes like Imaan, who can attack Hinduism wherever and whenever they wish. If someone reacts, like i do, he will be victimised at some point. I guess patriotism is a anathema in India. Hindus can only be communalists, not patriots if they are hindus. But it's different for others.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 25, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
Few facts:
1) In NE the regions fighting against the Indian security forces are backed by christian missionaries(Manipur, Nagaland, Arunachal pradesh).
2) In Kashmir, it's the muslim fundamentalists and also in Assam where Muslims are significant percent of the population.
Any region that gets dominated by christians or muslims will start revolting against the state, and there will be a critical point where the state can't take it anymore.
Your individual choice, you can make it the way you want it, but how does it feel when nation collapses because of this demographic change.
About someone being a dalit, you can write a lot of intellectual material about it and their suffering is enormous that you cannot comprehend it. Yes, Dalits are a part of Hindu society and the society must organise and change to include and evolve and reduce the discrimination. Most of the discrimination comes from mainstream Hindus, not the RSS/VHP et al. These Hindu groups allow these people to enter their shakas without discriminating, dine with them, visit their homes, have built tens of thousands of schools in the remote places, and are making the tribals to become "priests" in temples. Nation is sometimes important and it's unity. There are rights and duties, and you can't escape the later and project you rights to do whatever all the time. Instead of lecturing here, people should do something for the dalits to improve their living for all they went through, instead of proposing them to converting the way they wish to, which they wouldn't identify with anyway so that your burden gets reduced. Take some responsibility. Most of the converts to Christianity and Islam face discrimination in India and they have separate mosques and churches and other community gathering places. Gather facts and read them. About giving money to NGO, most of them are inefficient and if there are some good ones, they want people to be converted to increase the power and political influence of the church. So i will donate zulch to them.
