I am from Sri Lanka and I know Pakistan helps us much. They are always fighting terrorism in their country. Even though they are fighting terrorism in Pakistan, their pilots come to help us fight terrorism in Sri Lanka. Its very likely this bombing is done by Hindu fanatics. I know how Hindus (no offence) can be fanatic here in Sri Lanka. They have no respect for the Bhudda Sasana. They have no respect for Bhuddas word that this island will be Bhuddist for 5000 years. Its this disrespect that caused this bombing in India.
Islam encourages violence, so pakistan adopted it as thier official duty to sponsor it. These kinds of killings by pakistanis in the name of islam has been going on since 1947. There is no suprise in this that this is also the work of islamic pakistan. pakistanis and islam is not bothered abt the death of 16 pakistanis as shortly they will declare them as brave martyrs who died for thier faith and allah. the killings are solely religion in nature, as they wanted to create sectarian violence in india between hindus and muslims. Do we need friendship and trade relationships with pakistan, a terrorist country? If India want to be a world power, then it shud learn to behave like one. Power has to be demonstrated, else it will be treated as not being capable.
1) There are tens of millions of Muslims and Christians (and Jews) who have lived peaceably alongside one another for centuries, and who still do today in many parts of the world. Is each Muslim secretly harboring the desire to blow up the local caf?Does every Christian believe their Muslim neighbor is at war with him? Of course not. After all, it wasn%u2019t Jews and Christians who were targeted on 911, or in London, Madrid, Bali, or Jakarta. It was simply civilians. Further-more, even if you grant the premise "we are at war with Islam," I must ask, %u201CWho is the 'we?'" UNQUOTE
Example of co-existence is Israel and Syria? liberals like you are idiots to the core.
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by Sirish R on Feb 21, 2007 07:57 AM Permalink
I appreciate you want to prove Islam is true by whatever means you can, when everything looks in the contrary!!, but why post contents from some article over the web, when you can just provide the link for the same, lets not flood the forum with junks!!, and try to give credit to whichever site you download the contents from!
How nice the World would have been if this so called religion wouldn't have surfaced in the face of earth!!.. Millions and Millions of Human blood has been wasted for some unknown deity, just by people following a book called the true relevation of the only God, for which there is no proof!. just sheer hatred with fellow human beings who doesn't subscribe for their version of God!
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by Devendra Sawant on Feb 21, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
I Agree
The first step should be taken by Islamists. They should should change their religion to humanity and everyone should be given a lesson on the importance of human life. SO that they will stop being so cruel and also stop killing innocent people.
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by david on Feb 21, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
the problem with most of the people is that they don't want to know the truth. blaming muslims is the easiest thing in india these days. when you talk of humanity just think how many riots have the extremist hindu organizations organized and literally paid for. were they not thugs those who raped women and burnt children alive because they were muslims? extremist muslims can be called intolerant but extremist hindus are no less in any way. when you learn to appreciate this fact, you'll see things in a diffrent light.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 06:05 AM Permalink
Dear David how much truth do you know share some with us as well. Hindus only retaliate that too when the muslims have crossed a limit and it becomes necessary to show them that hindus can also do more than them but only because hindus live by their religious belief of tolerance to everybody they are properly behaved since ancient times. Mohammed Ghouri was defeated and still allowed to go back alive twice but the moment he defeated pritivi he killed him and the muslims invasions since then are the most barbaric in human history. In present times do you know that more than 3 lac kashmiri hindus have been driven out by muslim majority. In Kosvo (Europe) NATO invaded because of a similar situation. Only a Hindu country like India can allow I Lac enemy alive (1971 war). If muslim country like Pakistan had got hold of similar indian soldiers they would have slaughtered them like goats.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 08:57 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma, don't you think ur more cultured than the people who lived 500 years ago? At that time, kings had 10, 20 wives. Don't you think its a shame to have that many wives today? The majority muslims DID NOT chase away the minority hindus from Kashmir. Its the terrorist who did that. And don't talk about NATO and what they did in eastern Europe. All u know what happened there is hearsay. A romanian is a close friend of mine and he works with me - I know in detail what NATO did in Kosovo - irrespective of what u read in media. In the same vein, I still have great respect for Hinduism for all the positive points you have mentioned here. And I believe many who have known Hinduism will have the same respect. But, the hatred you are spewing on Muslims is very damaging to the peaceful religion of Hinduism.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
Joel Satheesh 500 years ago kings had 20/50 wives. Since you are showing you are very learned tell me a common man in that era had how many wives. Even today rich people have 20/50 wives only because it's become illegal they marry 1. Common man you know the truth. Cultured - tell me wouldn't you be a fool if you didn't learn anything from history. Afgani rulers learnt from history - they knew how to attack hindus. That is why with even smaller armies they defeated hindus and raided the country again and again. If you know history so well didn't your teacher tell you that you have learn from the mistakes and improve your self defence
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
Joel Satheesh
That's what I'm saying if Hindu extremist (as u say )existed they would have done the same to minority muslims else where in India by now.
Only one friend told you about NATO and so u think you know in detail. I read about it in media and so my knowledge is less. How hypocritical. I know hundreds of Kashmir Hindus and their stories.
Regarding only terrotists chasing away hindus from kashmir - mate in kashmir it's military rule by day and your friendly neighbourhood terrorists by night. By way can one muslim terrorist drive away hindus - which part of india do you live in. Terrorists only succeed if they have the support of the people.
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by shankar narayanan on Feb 21, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
dude, extremist hindusim is a recent phenomenon. rss, bajrang etc have all been in existense for just 50-60 years, and have been seriously active only over the last 30 years. but extremist form of islam, has been in vogue since the start of the hijri era. in india after islam came in the 10-11 th century, we have only seen violence and killing in the name of god. how can you compare the two extremist ideologies, when one ideology is more like a reaction to violence. I dont personally supoort rss, vhp etc, but I think they are doing a godd job of social balance, given the last 1000 years of islamic agression. tell me were parisis, bahais , jews or anybody violated in india in the past, like they have been repeatedly violated in islamic lands like israel, iran etc. now do you have an answer for that as a common hindu, i am hardly interested in knowing what you koran says or allah does, as long as you dont become a pain in my arse.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
when you follow/admire extremism of any religion, you lose every right to speak about the great tolerant religion (Hinduism). Hinduism has such a following over 1000 years of atrocities simply means we need to follow it. If you start talking supportive of hindu extremism, there is no difference between you and a terrorist. Extremism/Terrorism in all forms must be shunned.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
Joel Hindus don't kill for conversions. They don't preach that you on roads convert to christainity. Has a Hindu ever come to your door step telling this. Come to western world and it is every day. Hindus have only retaliated when they have been threatened physically. Why no Parsi have been killed though they are living here since even before Islam arrived. Same is true of Jews ever hear Hindus talking bad of them or christians.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma, what are you? A hindu equivalent of a mullah?
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Some fools think they understand history
They assume muslims as indians. Britishers as occupiers. For a Hindu both were occupiers. But, for the muslims only the britishers are occupiers because they think they ruled some major parts of india for 400 years and britishers ended muslim rule in india. Under Britishers, Hindus prospered because they were allowed to practice their religion without fear. Hindus learnt nationalism from them and made one hindu country with so many different hindu languages and traditions. Punjab may have different hindu customs to that of Tamil nadu. But, still after 50 years have lived under one name India. In ancient times there was no India only different rulers for different small states.
If hindus are kafirs then and the so called muslims want to establish Allah's world, then first atleast form one muslim country in Middle east. It's oblivious allah's world is just crab, when two muslims can't even live together whereas kafirs(worshippers of many gods and Idols) live together peacefully never killing other hindu because he may worhsip Ram and other krishna and other vishnu and other Shiv and so on. Never heard hindus killing like this. But Sunni and Shia - they make hell right in Middle east the land of their guru
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by david on Feb 21, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
hey joel it's very difficult to convince some people that if you call pakistan a terrorist state, then you can't try and emulate them and want to be called clean at the same time. hindu terrorist are no better than muslim terrorists no matter what he age of the organization is. muslims in india are backward and when they try to uplift themselves extremists in the majority community do not allow them to do so. they blame mohd ghauri or some other thug for that. muslims have been a victim of organized riots in india, would that be a good reasons for their future generations to seek revenge? do you blame our politicians who sell the country by buying cheap defense equipments as Hindus? so why muslims can not be trusted in army? do you hate the british for enslaving your ancestors as much as you hate muslims because mohd ghauri was a muslim and killed hindus. do we dare talk like this to the british? no, our slavish mentality will not allow us to do so, muslims are easy prey any way.
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by Abhilash Nair on Feb 21, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
Joel,
I can%u2019t understand you. I mean if we talk about our lives and our people we are extremists.
In kerala, Christians give votes to only a Christian candidate following the instruction from church. That%u2019s not extremism at all. Is it? You people are the most selfish people on the entire planet.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Joel what are you - since alexander the great needed help from King Porus indian enemy and Mohammed Ghouri from Pritvi's Father in - law- and since you are so learned therefore you know history repeats itself. I see you equivalent of the above traitors of this country
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 21, 2007 05:55 AM Permalink
david, why are you talking about only Hindus and Muslims. You have a Christian name. India is in great mess. No one who the guy David is and where he is from. No one knows who the Salim is and where is from. They can be from any part of the world as Islam and Christianity are global religions. Hindus, they only love India. Others, we never know.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Chaitanya, whats there in a name. I'm a christian and I'm no less a patriot than you are. And I also believe every Indian loves India irrespective of his/her religion. If not, we wouldn't be having a great great son of the land, Dr. Abdul Kalam. Don't blame the muslims for all of India'a problems. Its easier to do that way, but blaming does not lead to any solution. The biggest threat for India is not exernal, but internal. When I say internal, I mean all of us - christians, hindus, muslims. There are people from outside trying to fan such rivalry among us. Seeing us fighting based on religions, they must be having a hearty laugh. So, try to avoid fighting ur brothers of the land. Group together and let take the scourge of terrorism together.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
Joel Satheesh Because of common sense like yours Hindus have paid the price. Do you know why no muslim is given high rank in indian army because internally everybody knows that during the first war with pak most of the muslim generals sided with pak and even some migrated to pak. And yes use your common sense and come and live in Kashmir as a Hindu. Just come over and live and then talk
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by Shenidh on Feb 21, 2007 03:20 AM Permalink
Before pointing fingers at anybody please know that other three fingers are pointing towards u. Whatever happened in B'lore was a politics. When both Dharam singh and jaffer sharief were involved in that rally, how can u blame muslims for that. There were both muslims & hindus in that rally. Even in calcutta, dehli there protest against saddam execution by hindus. Then why are blaming muslims for whatever happened in India. RSS hindu extremist need an excuse to create problems in peaceful city link bangalore. They want to create one more mini gujurat in south india too. That's there agenda. It's clear. As long as these ornaziations (Shivsena, RSS, VHP, banjrag dal etc) exits, there cannot be peice in India, period.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
If hindu organisations are behind unrest in india, then when there is 95% majority muslims in Kashmir and they have managed to drive out hindus. It's time hindus in other parts of the country did the same to muslims in rest of the country otherwise slowly where ever they come in majority they will drive out hindus.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Mr. Perv Sharma, I wonder whether u have any commonsense!!!
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by on Feb 21, 2007 06:24 AM Permalink
If going by your logic, Muslims ruled India for 600 years as Kings. They should have killed all Hindus. They didn't did that. Islam never preaches killing innocent. This are all the handiwork of some hindu and Muslim organization. Most of the hindus or Muslims have nothing to do with it. This guyz should be hang. First in the list is Narendra Modi and Ashok Singhal
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Muslims ruled india over 600 years. The only reason is that there were wise hindu kings like Shivaji, then the Sikh gurus, moreover the initial muslim kings only invaded for the riches and went back. Akbar succeeded in establishing an empire only because he realised it was possible to live and rule if he had support of some rajput kings near Delhi. Aurangzeb was the fanatic who tried to convert forcefully and met his match in Shivaji and his family. So, basically foresight of some hindu kings saved the religion otherwise like the way muslims managed to wipe other religions in conquered lands they would have been successful in India as well. Kashmir lacked a foresighted hindu ruler and 95% became muslims.
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by Sirish R on Feb 21, 2007 06:11 AM Permalink
Frankly speaking Saddam's hanging doesn't bothers most of the Indians, as long as the Indian is a muslim or is a commie sympathizer!, They would readily Revere a proven Despot like Saddam just because he is a muslim or he is against USA!. And yes it was politics, very much a politics!, but well is it not Islam is just another political Ideology in the guise of religion!!, who wants to fly the Flag of Islamic Caliph ah!, what big difference Dharam Singh and his likes are involved with this politics for their livelyhood no doubt!. But the issue is not about politics, it about the intolerance! Bottom line is you guys just would hate anything that is unislamic, which means all idolators are unislamic! Again , it's just about politics man! politics of power, excuse in the name of a True God! Poor God, he has been unnecessarily been dragged to all these mess!, All in praise of God!, It is not happening all of a sudden, not today, happening for over 1400 years now! will keep growing. This is best could be described as Arab Imperialism!, you would do anything and everything to hurt your own culture to make the culture of your masters look good!
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by Shenidh on Feb 21, 2007 04:42 AM Permalink
Sirish, I know there are lot bad things happening in the name of islam. But, u cannot blame Islam for that. Its just like u have extremist like RSS, VHP, Banjrang dal in hindus, muslims have extremist too. Unless and until u have complete knowldege on islam u will never have any ve image abt islam. Becuase media has created -ve view about islam always like blaming islam or all muslims it there is any terrorist attach. Do u blame all hindus for what happened i gujurat? I don't think so right? So this is the same thing here. Now you please don't give the examples of other countries like Iraq, Palastine, Afghanistan. Those are problem created by western countries. Mixing those issues with us not fair. Because each country has their own problems.
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by Sirish R on Feb 21, 2007 06:14 AM Permalink
Shenidh, There has been a mistrust between hindus and muslims, ever since this country was being invaded by invaders from arab and persian gulf!!. These invaders never came to live in india peacefully, they plundered, killed and did all possible atrocities with the common people living in then!. History is witness to this sorry state of affairs that happened then!. Most of them were forcefully converted from their indegenious way of life, forcing them to believe in something the invaders considered were true. Lets not get into denials! Muslim rulers then treated them all with disgain as mere filth, because they believed in many God and they believed in Idols! It culminated in the partition of the country to bangaladesh and Pakistan!. Even now there has been scores of instances that muslims instigating conflicts! When you talk about Gujarat, why should one forget Godhra!, Do you think there would have been some riots there if not for Godhra! think! why this much hatred from the very beginning!, it could be even you would have been a hindu, only u were forcefully converted to as a muslim! Hindus are spritual, they search for peace!!. With muslims its not about sprituality, it's more to do with religiousity, a religious zeal!. They never get instigated by some artist who paints Hindu Goddess in nude!, there will be protest but they don't go overboard!. See the same reaction for the cartoon publishing of Mohammad!, riots in the name of attack on Islam around the globe! be it in UK, Africa, India everywhere!, wasn't that a harmless way of expression!. Those were organized riots around the Globe, which costs billions!. Have you ever thought why there hasn't been any protests when thousands of Sudanese black muslims are getting killed by their fellow Arab muslims in Sudan!. Aint they humans! Is there no value to life! Sometime there will be a time to introspect! It's time to think how the world has become over the last 1400 years!. Please think it over!
1. Kashmir (uncountable) 2. kashi temple 3. jammu raghunath temple(twice) 4. akhardham in gujarat 5. killing of amarnath yatris 6. ahmedabad bus bombs 7. mumbai train bombs 8. koimbtore bombing 9. bangelore IIS attack 10. parliament attack 11. delhi diwali market bombing 12. bombay series of bomb blast (thrice)
.. and on...
...and on ...
so think with your mind why most people are blaming this on jehadis. Hindu Nazi is exists only in your nightmares. If Hindus are really Nazis, can you survive in india?
I am really surprised, if not doubtful, that the people of the religion of peace, aka Islam, would do this. There must be a mistake by India in making this accusation which seems hasty. If Pakistanis were involved why would the GOvt of India run these trains and buses between the two countries in the first place? Is it election time in India to be making accusations? Looks like somebody is trying to give Islam a bad name. Many Hindus think Islam is a bad name. Religion can confuse you. You don't know if the Hindus did it to make Islam look bad or terrorist did it to make Islam bad. Some Hindus think the koran makes Islam look bad. I suggest don't fight, let religions settle the matter. Religion does not tell you to set destroy trains when secular people are travelling.
Gawd, Indians are naive. ISI and by proxy the Islamic establishment in Pakistan, is a state within a state. It does not hesitate to go after its own (Pakistani) leaders/citizens when it sees that they are not working for the strategic goals of the Islamic Ummah. Since their defeat at the hands of a Kafir (Hindu/Sikh) Indian army in 1971, every ISI operation has been directed towards achieving a efficient Jihad worldwide with specific focus on Kafir India.
Initially, the US, like a ignorant fool supported the ISI hoping that it will be a pawn against Communist USSR. Later the Americans and the rest of the world realized the true nature of Islam and the blunder they commited by helping ISI become a monster.
The question of trusting ISI does not arise. India trusting ISI is like Prithviraj Chauhan trusting Mohammad Ghori....AGAIN.
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by Darshak Shah on Feb 21, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
Ali: I apologize on behalf of those who just speak a different language everytime something wrong happens. You know that they are not like that otherwise. To Rishi, Hagu and others: we should learn one thing from muslim even if u call them pro paki or whatever. if there is a problem in any country with muslim they treat them as their brothers and what we do???? we can't treat an India as brother than what we expect from them??? I am an Indian and believe Hindu-Jain religion. Even when i went to one Hindu organization, they mentioned that Buddhism and Jainism were kinda attack on Hinduism??? I was totally shocked. Its in our mind that for now we want muslim to go away and than what?? it won't stop there bcs we never feel that v r one. Rather when u see in US they have accomodated everyone and respect it, i can say much better than what we do. I do extend my friendship and brotherhood to any Indian irrespective of their religion and country. Thats the way to progress. Vandemataram!!
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by atindra shukla on Feb 21, 2007 04:54 AM Permalink
Can you specify which Hindu organisation has told you that Buddhism and Jainism are attack on Hinduism? dont fool people arround.
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by Darshak Shah on Feb 21, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
First ask and wait for reply be4 saying 'don't fool ppl around'. it was said at one 'swadhyay' kendra.
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by animesh kumar on Feb 21, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
Ashok the great was the first Buddhist to attack on Hindus. he replaced all the Vishnu temple idols by idols of Buddha and killed most of the protestors.
Now the communist historians argue that temple was a Buddhist tradition and hindus copied it.
Shukla jee, jaagiye. Hindus have been cheated by buddhists, jains, islams, greeks, huns, shaks, and all.
There is a Buddhist Ramayan which says that Rama and Sita had an incestuous relation. If that isn't an attack, what is?
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by atindra shukla on Feb 21, 2007 05:33 AM Permalink
I dont think Ashok has attacked any Hindu temple. By the way Bhagawan Buddh is a Hindu God and as per Bhagvat he is incarnation of lord vishnu so there is no difference in Buddhism and Hinduism other than some rituals and traditions. The people who are willing to create a rift between Hindus and Buddhs are propagating those Buddhist Ramayan etc, actually no ancient Buddhist ramayan exist. In Ancient time many Kings were following Buddhist philosophy of life and never attacked Hindu temples and vice versa. Dont expose your ignorance as a Hindutva.
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by rising star on Feb 21, 2007 04:27 AM Permalink
your msg is nice but such feel-good approach only fools the real issues.
Did Hindu organizations ask you to convert? Now visit a muslim org and come back with results.
Such nice feelings and messages work in a rational environment but not with irrationals - look at your role model USA what they did in Iraq/Afghanistan - didn't they catch the bull by its horns. Are you apologising on US behalf also?
Yes, vandematram (and search one muslim that says so)
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by Rasna Arora on Feb 21, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
:) one muslim who says vandemataran hmm...ever heard of the album 'Vandemataram' by A R Rahman? anger never cured hatred and anger actually blinds man from logical thinking... anyone willing to kill in the name of religion whether they be hindu/muslim/sikhs/christians or anything else - have lost any sense of logical reasoning or tolerance and lost the right to being looked at fairly. before being a good sikh/muslim/hindu etc I'd rather be a good human being and if religion has come to the point that it justifies 'driving out' a particular race or sect from 'your' or 'my' country-thank you very much But I'd much rather be an Atheist!
be reasonable and calm in time of turmoil and don't lose who you really are... at least not if you have a kind heart n a good soul...
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by rishi on Feb 21, 2007 08:06 AM Permalink
Darshak: Jainism and Buddhism are as much a part of Hinduism as Shaiva or Shakta or Sikh are. If you are really a Jain then you should know this...we are one
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by Anand K N on Feb 21, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Atindra Shukla, I have read all your posts and congratulate you for being a staunch Hindu. But I am sorry to say that your knowledge on Ashok is incorrect. Buddhism as we know today is a benevolant religion. It was not the case during Ashoka's period. But for Adi Shankara, hinduism would have been in shambles. HE indeed revived hinduism in his short life. Coming to Budda as an avatar and Hindu God is a more recent addition. Hindu temples have been attacked by buddhists in the past. I agree in todays context we have to unite with the buddhists, jains and sikhs as these are Indic religions and offshoots of hinduism. But this does not change the history. Please dont get angry instead do some research on this topic. Inclusion of Buddha in the Vishnu avatars is the greatness of Hinduism. Look how we have monopolised on Shirdi Sai baba!
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by atindra shukla on Feb 21, 2007 08:14 AM Permalink
I think he is communist and hence more dangerous than even terrorists.
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by Rocky Kapoor on Feb 22, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
Darshak bhai,
please understand. I deeply believe that Jain, Sikh & Buddhist are my brothers and We all are one. I can go to any place of worship of any of the above religion with my full faith and do not feel stranger. Now if one of the millions of jain (or few) tells me that they are not my brothers but enemies, I WILL NOT HOLD ALL JAINS AT FAULT. Some are fool, but still all other JAINS are my brothers. Do not let few fools break our unity.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 04:33 AM Permalink
Very True But how many indian hindus know that Kashmiri hindus have been kicked out of kashmir and are refugees in a so called hindu majority country. How many hindus donate or try to help these hindus? None. Because hindus only worry about their own. If their neighbour's house is on fire they continue to sleep, if only their house start burning then they run around. Despite hinduism being oldest peaceful religion the hindus haven't learned to help their own brothers. It's time they learnt from Christainity and Islam.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
So Perv Sharma's suggestion is to make the rest of India like Kashmir where we kill and bomb muslims. What a scholarly idea to develop India.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
Joel you misunderstand your self. In kashmir nowdays the bombs are thrown only at Indian army against forceful occupation of Muslim Land. There are hardly any hindus behing that they need to kill any more.
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by mehtaab khan on Feb 21, 2007 06:37 AM Permalink
kya baat boli tumne, dil khush kardiya apne, aap jaise achhce lagoon ki dono taraf bohut zaroorat hai
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by rishi on Feb 21, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
ali... to the the ISI and the Jihadi establishment. You (inspite of being a Muslim) are a Kafir too.
You should read the speeches of Yahya Khan during the '71 war
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by atindra shukla on Feb 21, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
They bit dust (I mean snow) during kargil war too, their latest mis-adventure. Kargil war was joint venture of Pak army, ISI, and international terrorist organisations. They failed miserably. But ever since Mushrraf came to power in Pakistan all the terrorist attacks became more sophisticated and stratgically polished. which shows how much interaction is there between a Pak military genral and terrorists organisations.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 06:54 AM Permalink
Sorry mate India didn't win kargil war please check the details. Indians begged America to ask pakistan to withdraw. A date was given by America (so called mediators) when they didn't withdraw India again begged America. Only then America put pressure on Pak to withdraw. Remember, Pak doesn't do any thing on its own its PAK America
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by atindra shukla on Feb 21, 2007 07:23 AM Permalink
Where are these facts available? Or you cooked yourself? Have you read a book of retired ISI agent or what?
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
Please read Washington Accord signed by Paki PM. Washington forced PAki Pm to sign i.e withdraw the attackers from indian land.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
For your knowledge - please washington accord signed by pak pm in america on July 4. In the first place is kargil a part of india. if so, how come despite so much army the pakis managed to grab kargil. U acknowledge that attackers conquered kargil bunkers belonging to indian army. Where was indian army sleeping ( in your house). Did they drive the last attacker away. Please open your eyes read the facts. Indian politicians celebrated victory of what. How could 500 fighters caputure your land from one of the world's largest army. Don't be ashamed - it's not the first time - indian peace keeping force was kicked out of Sri Lanka by LTTE kids.
Just dig out newspapers of that period and a learned person like you will reach the conclusion. Or search the net for that period stories. If you find one story which says indian army or rather indian army papers saying they threw the attackers please email me on pervinder_s@yahoo.com. I would be very happy to receive them. I followed that war regularly. The indian prime was told that the attackers would withdraw within
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by Krishnendu Bhattacharyya on Feb 21, 2007 06:06 AM Permalink
Do you really believe that will solve every problem? After perishing all non-hindus will here be piece? How many hindus are with you? You then start finding the differences within hindus. If you are a bengali, you may not like a tamil. Being a brahmin you hate harijans. If you are rich - you fear the hungry poors. I am shocked, not only reading most of these messages. Who will kill the hatreds within yourselves?
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 09:56 AM Permalink
Krisnendu so the remaining hindus should become muslims because as per muslims only their religion preached peace etc. Then should u become Sunni or Shia. If you become Shia - a sunni will kill u - if u become sunni then shia will kill u. In hinduism atleast they don't kill irrespective of your so called caste.
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by Krishnendu Bhattacharyya on Feb 21, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Forget about shia-sunni-bengali-tamil-hindu-buddhisht, its only "us" and "they"!!! Ask your own self you will find lot of issues to make such differences. Finally, how many people select their religion? Most of them are born follower of any particular religion. Even they may not follow it as expected...
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by rishi on Feb 21, 2007 02:44 AM Permalink
hey paikhana H logical thoughts...by hey choose a cleaner id yaar.. (i understand bengali)
if u r a NRI contact me rishi_khujur@rediffmail.com
