Dear all Please do not mess with eachother, since we all are Indian Brothers & Sisters. Let me tell you one thing that coming to conclusion wildly is not the wise thing. Let the investigfation agency do there work. It is not good to Tarnish Any one's religion associng anything to it. Before going to the root cause you should come to the oral & baseless verdict. By this only you are trying to defame others.
You know what has ahppen at Nanded, a Blast-Accusseds aBajrang Dal, Blast in the Parbhani Mosque - Accussed same, Purna , Jalna Gujrat. Since, Muslims are Striving around the world it dosnt mean that whatever will happen you will associate that with them. What happen in Nithari, there are so many incidants that i can putforth, but instead of playing Blame game let the Probe come forward. Or you all are trying to hide the main culprits by accusing others, & how u blame immidiately after incident, as if u were knowing this or just for sake of accusing you accuse Muslims bcos u all think that Muslims are Criminals. You are not to blame for this, but the campaign which is carried to isolate & make Muslims Malign, you are Victim of that.
Why dont we go beyond this local happenings and look at world? Accusing Hindu Organizations by seculars and we Muslims is becoming stereotype now. There are no such orgnizations in Iraq, Baluchistan, Chechanya, France, UK, Philipines, Afganistan to blame. Jihadi Terrorism has become world phenomina. And as long as we Muslims are hiding behind this blamegame we are inviting wrath of all non muslims slowly but surely. I know while reading this messege someone here will accuse me of being non muslim or agent of RSS. But before or after accusng me, I request such accuser and all to read carefully what learned intelectual muslim journalist Abdel Rahman al-Rashed has to say about all this. He is sure not agent of RSS or a Hindu despot, but leading Muslim freethinker. Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is general manager of Al-Arabiya news channel. This article first appeared in the London-based pan-Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. After 9/11 he wrote this article titled "A Wake-up Call : Almost all terrorists are Muslims". Does Anyone from socalled champions of free thought journalism in India has such courage to write or speak truth so loudly? In middleast there is very little freedom of expression but Rashed has courage to speak out truth. He risked his life to wake us Muslims up. But do we Muslims have that little courage to wake up and face the truth? Here is link for those accusers or anyone who wants to see and search truth.
whatever we sow, we do reap it. Our beloved Mahatma & his friends prefer our country to remain secular. they even gave 55 crores for Pak to develop their state. See what they are giving back to us. India has been in the middle of muslim agression for almost 1000 years now. Those who say muslim kings are kind & grateful are conveniently forgetting the Gaznis, Baburs & Aurangazeb's. How many they masacered & how many temples they have plundered are all been recorded clearly. There is a mountain called Hindu Kush in present day Afganisthan. The literal meaning is "The place where Hindus are crushed to death". They committed extreme genocide but they couldn't clear out the Hindus from this sacred land. These terrorist are just a continuation of those rogs. Its a shame that few of indian muslims are also helping them in the name of religion. Can any indian muslim raise against these terrorist & do a demonstration? If they care so much for Sadam Hussein, i think they should also care that much for their fellow citizens who are getting brutally murdered....
When Shipla Shetty was tormented at Big Brother, we called the Whites racial and stuff...the truth of the matter is we are the ones who segregate and discriminate on the basis of religion,caste,creed.
We do not see that innocent people die but we jump onto the band wagon of blame game. Now days its any ways en vogue to call any muslim a terrorist so it doesn't surprise me at all that the muslims are being blamed for any attack on the indian Soil. I wont be even surprised if all the accused turn out to be muslims its good media publicity and they could be easily convicted. Dose'nt matter if they are really guilty or not. The judgement is alreary passed. Muslim equivalent to a terrorist.
Now the hindu clan I am born by religion into a hindu family but I hate the basis on which all the hindu fundamentalist groups work. They may be doing good work in villages but hey value human life not a religion. Give me a line from any of the religious texts which tell you to hate,segregate people from another religion?
Wake up lets make India a better place to live in then fighting these futile inter religious wars. We are secular and unique and if VHP or any other hindu hardline groups manage to kill all the muslims or drive them to Pakistan, that would be the day I would give up my indian citizenship as I can't imagine being a citizen of India when I dont have my friends from other religions.
RE:We Indians are Hypocrites
by The Prophet on Feb 19, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
Mr Deka, i advice you to start packing your bag and after choosing a suitable destination - pak,bangladesh,arabs etc where you think you could live with peace and harmony after giving up your indian citijenship. later you wont be able to do because of rush ,since there are lots of con'men and commies who are set to do the same.
RE:We Indians are Hypocrites
by Mateen hussain on Feb 20, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
Hey Arnab, I'm with you man. These people who replied you are sick & out of their minds. All my life I had friends who are non muslims, but I still follow my religion. And what I konw is in time of need my friends will always stand by me & when they need me they will always find me standing besides them. This is how we should develop our country.
RE:RE:We Indians are Hypocrites
by Mateen hussain on Feb 20, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
I would like to add, one thing which I would never do is leave my country & religion. I would die protecting my religion & country. So I think you should change your views in respect to that. We all should change our country or atleast fight till the last breath to change it, but never leave it.
RE:We Indians are Hypocrites
by laadlabakdaas on Feb 19, 2007 07:21 PM Permalink
^ pseudo secular communist. look at what the whole world is calling the muslims as.
RE:We Indians are Hypocrites
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Feb 19, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
Either you are ignorant or a non hindu in disguise or plain stupid. Of coursr, every religion has a RIGHT to live peacefully in India but does that mean at the cost of Hindus? Big NO. If you don't like policies of VHP then you should HATE policies of Congress and Commies. No one is perfect but I would prefer BJP over Congress. See who is dividing the country. Congress and Commies are dividing the Country on religious lines more than BJP. So, I would say BJP is lesser evil.
Why in the world do we have different laws based on religion in a SO CALLED SECULAR country? Why can't you voice your concern on this hypocracy instead of criticizing VHP/RSS/BJP day in and day out?
And yah, one mroe thing, your wish of living India will certainly come true of there is only one religion left in India this is because Christain missionaries are right on target to convert ruler India....so there won't be many Hindus left in India anywaya...!
Sir, not even 24-hours have passed and Shri B Raman has come up with a "ready-made" write-up. Why it is like this every time there is a blast / roit etc. All the media then will narrate the story as if they have known all these things before-hand... just to increase their TRP ratings. Rediff seems to be doing the same thing.
Remember the Mumbai local train blast ? And the group of 11 muslims who went 'missing' from close to Bangladesh border. The group contacted police on their return to Thane. However by that time much damage time. One 'respectable' News paper even published editorial about the 'dirty 11 men' next day. Clarification and denials did came from Media ... but it was too little and too late.
So persons like Mr Raman must restrain themselves about writting such things ...which they seems to be doing just to keep their hearth (roji- roti) burning.
Let the truth come out and do not try to influence the minds of investigating agencies.
Mr Raman may also know that all the resources of investigationg agencies are focussed in only 'one' direction, however if they are required to investigate in the 'other' direction, they have no resources.
First of all who is terrorism, they are human being like us from good family, the only things made them terrorist is our government of any country who had not supported them in their bad days and lastly they came on this result, any one who gives them money they work for them because they want to take revenge, they don't bother who is muslim or hindu, what we understand from this either muslim or hindu above all bush(american president) paying them money an doing these kind of attack,our police collecting money from innocent people arresting unknown criminal.
please urge to government try to make every rich no difference between rich & poor all are made from semen.
Like the name of the place where the incident took place- Deewana- we can expect a lot of deewana stuff from our minority appeasing politicians, pseudo secular, misplaced priority laden mass media and pundits of various hues prescribing their own solutions about how such incidents can be averted in the future. Frothing at the mouth, there will be religious leaders who will want strong action to be taken against the culprits. The game will go on till another blast of greater damage and dimensions will take place
As a responsible media rediff should try to distance itself from publishing such posts which would create conflicts among relegions/communities etc.Offlate the quality of news in rediff is at its low level ever.Totally unbalanced.
RE:Why do you want to create controversies
by King c on Feb 19, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
This is totally about the intelligence system about the country. Where is the question of religious communities? It depends on your view. Please read this in the right perspective and not in the wrong perspective.
RE:Yes they are
by King c on Feb 19, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
If you seriously believe this, why dont you file a case against the RSS? Even the Malegaon blasts was initially tried to be blamed upon RSS, eventually they found that it was the handiwork of some Muslim terrorist outfits only.
Please dont try to deflect the blame - this is like doing "Attack is the best form of defence"!
RE:RE:Yes they are
by sayeed on Feb 19, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
yah we can file the case, but what is the out put dear, can u tell me. y u don't belive in indian history what muslim get by filing the case.
what happen in gujrath, what happen thouse innocent muslim whom these rss and his alliense killed. we file the case but the result is zeero. we are not getting justice in this country.
u can think about sanjaydutt. if that had don by a muslim what can court pardon it. what can you say about this.
RE:RE:Yes they are
by Santa on Feb 19, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
Fakir Saab ... please refrain from misleading people with your maayaajaalam. We have all witnessed how sophisticated these Sangh goondas are, during Gujarat riots. They could even murder unborn babies in front of their mothers' eyes after slitting open their wombs. This requires lot of skill. So, let's not take away the credit from these criminals.
RE:Yes they are
by thejaswi mg on Feb 19, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Sayeed this foolishness is what pak is using.How can you think that RSS and there outfits have access to such sophistcated weapones.If they had not even single mosque would have present in India. Think twice these people (pakis) want Muslim-Hindu fight in India which fools like you do. They does not want Indian muslims to leave happly and you idiots very well cry for them. This type of act could only be done by Pak muslims and fools like you supporting them.
RE:RE:Yes they are
by sayeed on Feb 19, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
Dear, you know one thing i am not defending Pakistan. i am not a sporter of pakistan. i don't like that country. i know that they are not good people. not only me my whole family is like to lieve in india. we are verry happy hear. but from past some time around 10 to 15 years this RSS and VHP are make our life mesurable. we affraide to walk on the road alone in the night. saying is verry easy, but dear we experiance that pine. i am not terrorist or not jehadi. but i am a coman indian "HINDUSTANI" who love his country too much. but ?????
RE:RE:RE:Yes they are
by suresh singh on Feb 19, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
mr sayeed what do you know abut RSS?we are proud that in our country a true nationalist organistaion RSS exists. if you are nationalist,you need not worry from RSS.
RE:Hmm
by vrs someswara suryanarayana on Feb 19, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
Don't be foolish man RSS is a Nationalist organisation which is by tooth and nail is commited to protect india not like SIMI which is in to dividing India another time. Pl correct the facts after '62 war with Nehru credited RSS as 4'th line of defence after the Three Services.
RE:RE:Hmm
by devadeep chowdhury on Feb 19, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
The very base of our country is secularism. And RSS tries to tarnish that at every possible opportunity along with their affiliates VHP, Bajrang Dal and Durga Vahini. Defending our country doesnt mean to kill innocent citizens who are non-Hindu. How many of these RSS tries to join army? How many of them work for social welfare? How many of them have tried to practically rehabiliate the displaced Kashmiri Pundits?
RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by Varun Shekhar on Feb 21, 2007 03:04 AM Permalink
Don't be so ignorant, Devadeep. None of the Hindu groups you and other mention have any history of bombing trains, buses or planes. Riots, yes, sometimes. Bombing is not their style.
RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by laadlabakdaas on Feb 19, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
why do we have a govt for?? do u think the RSS with their knives can protect the Pandits from the assault rifles and IEDs of Mullahs.
RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by Saurabh Bhattacharya on Feb 19, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
RSS workers work in villages, in tribal areas, in floods, in train accidents and serve the nation continuously. To know RSS you need to join it. I would suggest that you should first know and then comment. It is a nation servicing group dedicated to nation and character building. India's largest trade union is not a CPM controlled body but RSS affiliated Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh. The RSS affiliated Janjatiya Kalyan Samiti's are working round the clock to serve the tribal population of India, if you want proof go to the Chota Nagpur tribal belt and tribal belts of Chattisgarh.
As far as revenge is concerned, what is the revenge we are talking of. If in Gujarat their was a carnage then what about Godhra, why innocent Hindus were killed there. Why was Akarshdham attacked? why in Kasmir innocent Hindus and Sikhs are getting massacared? Why in Mumbai, trains were blasted?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by Santa on Feb 19, 2007 06:30 PM Permalink
They are also involved in so many criminal activities in the guise of serving nation. It's a well known fact that they show their true colours wherever the Sangh affiliates are in rule. Their goondaism is intolerable in many towns and cities.
RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by King c on Feb 19, 2007 06:11 PM Permalink
What is the use of this so-called "secularism" if all we get for this is Bomb blasts? It is Hindus like you (I assume you are a Hindu) which is a problem for all of us. Show me one Muslim country which is "Secular" and they are all so happy! So why should we be secular and remain unhappy?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by sayeed on Feb 19, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
I agree with you dear. i am an indian, i love my nation, i want a peace full nation. where no one have any affraidness in the heart, i am not saporting Pakistan, i don't like them. i thing u see the Ragde Basanti. like that some thing is happening in india, and we are bleaming Pakistan and Bangaladesh. first we want to know what is wrong in us that these thing's are happening.
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by sayeed on Feb 19, 2007 06:32 PM Permalink
i am staying in Dubai. hear no muslim kill hindu. Why these jihadies are not hear. why this country is peacefull. loot of hidus are hear i think more hindus are hear then muslim. same thing in Malysia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwat, Saudi, ...etc
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by mahesh kumar on Feb 19, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
dear sayeed, in all the countries u mentioned, not a single country has a constitution which saya "all citizens are equeal before law irrespective of religion", can a hindu build temples in Saudi ? Can a hindu be a Super star in pakistan ?(if there are any hindus left unraped)..u know the truth...
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Hmm
by raj shenoy on Feb 19, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
sayed saab, i am also living in dubai. can you tell me how many hindu temple are there in dubai,saudi..............
RE:Hmm
by phaneendra shanthigrama on Feb 19, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
Dont compare RSS and VHP with dirty muslim terrorist out fits. The people who are behind this act will know very shortly.
RE:RE:Hmm
by devadeep chowdhury on Feb 19, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
RSS and VHP tries to divide the society just like the Muslim fundamentalists. What happened in Gujarat in 2002 was a similar act of terror. We should condemn both form of radical religion. And dont defend RSS. Their founder openly endorsed the tactics used by Hitler. What is the role of these orgamisations in our freedom movement? None at all! At the end of the day, there is no difference between them and Muslim fundamentalists.
