solution to peace in this will be by a complete wipe out of all muslims - i dont care for kids women etc...****kill them the way they are being killed in irag (shot thru heads).....muslims in india too need to be killed...they are sympathizers for other muslims and hence a complete knock out of their community is necessary......to add....i believe indonesia, and a few countries which have now become muslimized should simply be nuked...or may i sugges chemical weapons....whatever man...call me the new hitler (against muslims)
All the overwhelming hate mongering mails on this message board are proof enough of the hatred people like Sukhwinder Singh, Pranav, Raj Aryan, Amit,etc hold against the Muslims. Pure and utter hatred against the very name that begins with Muhammad %u2013 and this goes for all Muslims be they be Indians or Pakistanis (or Arabs for that matter)
And YET the Hindus/Jews have the audacity to talk about Muslims to remain %u2018peaceful%u2019 and in acceptance of this crushing abhorrence.
"Kick and humiliate a man while he is down and don%u2019t expect him to even answer back" - just as the whole world and in particular the Americans are doing around the world!!
Anyone ever wonder why an 18 year old youth will strap a bomb around his waist and blow himself up to smithereens when he has the best years of his life in front of him to enjoy? How woeful must his circumstances be that he chooses this brutal barbarous death over anything else? (Note: If there was just one such case you could dismiss it as being psychotic; but not when so many do the same) So you want to know the reason. Here it is:
His home (his land) has been invaded by brutal force, he has been forced out of his own land, at least one of his immediate family members, and in many cases multiple members, have been brutally slaughtered, the helpless soul is handicapped with has no aircrafts, missiles, armor, artillery, ammunition but just STONES to throw /some light firepower and to top that, is pitted against the worlds most sophisticated machinery (Israel%u2019s) which can put the this great country%u2019s (Indian) military might to shame. So this helpless individual has nothing but his SOUL (literally) to fight the cruise missiles, aircraft bombers, carpet bombers, highly trained infantry with state of the art arms and armour backed by the worlds most capable intelligence service.
So left with no choices this hapless mortal cannot find any other way to avenge his father/mother/sisters slaughter, mass murder of his compatriots and the invasion of his land/home and subsequently opts to strike back with the only thing he has %u2013his LIFE! %u2013 Straps a bomb and plunges to death just so he can inflict SOME damage on the enemy if not fully demolish them.
And then comes the media: The CNN and the BBC, Sky, CBC, Fox and all the Indian & International media who mourn the death of the invading Israeli solider and demonize the 100 odd Palestinian%u2019s he killed when invading their land (Yes, the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths in spite of the suicide bombings is more than 100 %u2013 i.e. 100 death of Palestinian women and children mostly to one Israeli solder%u2019s death)
Also, compare this to US invasion of IRAQ; 3154 US soldiers to 660,000 deaths of Iraqis- MOSTLY women and children-with the count still rising as you read. That%u2019s 210 Iraqi women and children savaged for every 1 US solders death. And these are no ordinary deaths%u2014 They have been tortured to the hilt; Bodies have been found with skulls drilled and their tongues cut out!!! And I will not even begin to talk about the injured/tortured list.
Just moot this: If anyone was to KILL/RAPE/SLAUGHTER/TORTURE your mother/father/wife/sister/daughter/son in the brutal most manner possible %u2013 drill their head/cut out their tongue/strip them down and leave them with savage dogs %u2013 for even a reason, let alone without any reason, would YOU not retaliate in the barbarous and vicious most way possible?
The 660,000 that died in the US invasion of Iraq, the 2500 in Gujarat, countless in Kashmir, the 400,000 in Bosnia, an estimated 50,000 Bosnian Muslim women raped by Bosnian Serb soldiers in a systematic campaign of humiliation and psychological terror in Bosnia, and god knows how many in Kashmir %u2013 were all mother/sister/father/son/daughter/wife to someone.
India too is not that far behind with the communal BHP, Bajrang Dal and The VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS who have all the hallmarks of fundamentalist-terrorist groups , and their behavior is indistinguishable from the Taliban. So if Taliban can be taken down for their behaviour as %u201Cfundamentalist%u201D then so should the VHP, Bajrang Dal and the RSS atleast if not the BJP.
%u2022 They are self appointed guardians of morality which they impose, on pain of physical intimidation and destruction of property, by roving gangs of state-sponsored ruffians. They pass judgments on what can be shown on TV and cable, what movies should be allowed, what festivals or occasions people can or cannot celebrate. %u2022 Ancient monuments of historical relevance are being destroyed, much like the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas by the Taliban. In addition to the 16th century mosque Babri Masjid that was destroyed by these militant Hindu organizations in 1992, several dozen mosques were destroyed in the recent riots in Gujarat, including the 16th century mosque near the Jethabai step wells which had been classified as a protected site by the Archaelogical Survey of India. %u2022 The Sangh Parivar does not believe in the Indian Constitution, and instead of using democratic means to put forth their views, they resort to violence, openly flout the orders of the Supreme Court, oppose the very fundamental principle of equality and liberty upon which the Indian State is based, and demonize an entire community based on the actions of a few people who happen to claim the same religion. %u2022 The Sangh Parivar%u2019s philosophy is anti-democratic at its core . Despite participating in electoral politics, the Sangh Parivar has never believed in democracy. This is what Hedgewar, the founder of RSS, had to say:
"I have thought out a scheme based on Hindu Dharm Shastra, which provides for standardization of Hinduism throughout India... But the point is that this ideal cannot be brought to effect unless we have our own Swaraj with a Hindu as Dictator like Shivaji of old, or Mussolini or Hitler of the present day in Italy and Germany. But this does not mean that we have to sit with folded hands until some such dictator arises in India. We should formulate a scientific scheme and carry on propaganda for it."
%u2022 The VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS organize and train private, armed militias for the express purpose of creating terror.
Then there is the KASHIR ISSSUE which I will not discuss cause I MAY BE BRANDED as unpatriotic and disloyal to my country cause there will be many points debatable from both the Indian and Pakistani points of view. Neither of the two can claim KASHMIR is solely theirs and BOTH of them have good reasons.
So I will end by saying: Make Muslims feel that they too are a part of this country and are just as integral a part of this nation as any Hindu/Sikh/Christian. Don%u2019t question their loyalty and don%u2019t demonize an entire community based on the actions of a few people who happen to claim the same religion. Give them equal social rights, equal employment and education, security against pre-planned, cold-blooded, calculated, willfully executed massacres of the their community, punish the guilty perpetrators of the Gujarat riots especially the Narendra Modi state government -- which was the instigator as well as the facilitator of these riots and last but never the least treat us Muslims too (like u want to be treated, that is) like your brothers of this great motherland called INDIA.
RE:HATRED FOR MUSLIMS:
by Amol on Feb 25, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Dear Tabish,
Well written. Everyone knows how Israel was formed by grabbing the land from Paletines. How these Jews are destroying the peace of the world. A look at Lebanon war could make you realise how tyrannical these people are. And the daily killings of so many innocents in Palestine. Not many in the world like these crooks. The stupids like Bush & Blair have acted in the hands of Israel. These so called superpowers will pay for their crimes. It was unnecessary to start a war with Iraq and destabilise the whole region. That too on false pretext of Weapons of mass destructions. This whole world has been made very unsafe by this Bush-Blair combine. However, slowly everyone in the world, and even in US & UK are realising the crimes these three countries (US, UK, ISRAEL) are perpetrating on innocent people.
Now as for India, you must ignore the nonsense organisations like RSS, VHP & Bajrang Dal. They are like a cancer to India. They have done greatest harm to India. These Organisations were created and are being run by few of the Brahmins to maintain their superiority. These 3% Brahmins first destroyed generations after generations of BC's & OBC's by making them live a life of animals and now they want to divert their mind from this real issue by bringing in such nonsense issues and creating hatred against all the other religions. Not many Indians like these Organisations. These hate mongers should understand that. These same people killed one of the greatest soul on this planet-The Mahatma Gandhi, and are busy in glorifying the terrorist & extremist Nathuram Godse. In India, the BC's, OBC's who form more than 75% of Indian population, the muslims who form 15% and other minorities apprx 2% do not accept the nonsense theories & hatred spread by these Brahmins through these organisations. The hate campaign on these message boards is also mostly by the same people and few others who are brainwashed. So just ignore them. The 97% of Indian population is for the unity in Diversity of India without anyones superiority.
RE:HATRED FOR MUSLIMS:
by ratnajayant gudavally on Jun 11, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
Are Israelites fallen from the sky ? They are residents of Israel ! where Palestinians were living side by side....They are the progeny of Of Ibrahim and his TWO wives ! Sarah and Hajar !!! What a fate, they fight among themselves and bring destruction to Indians and rest of the world who have nothing to do with their family/tribe politics.
RE:RE:HATRED FOR MUSLIMS:
by M Tabish on Feb 25, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
HEy Amol,
3 cheers on that, buddy!
But i m afraid the uneducated, hungry, unclad, unemployed villager of this country is a good target to brainwash and infuse hatred for muslims by false propaganda. And theirs media -world and indian-- to help the communal BHP, Bajrang Dal, VHP, RSS !!
And ofcourse if fed the story of just sucide bombing-- and not what was the CAUSE for that bombing -- these communal groups can very much instill all the htared they want to.
So i respect and salute you for your secular thoughts but am afraid do not subscribe to the 97% statisctic! If that were true then BJP and Narendra Modis pre-planned, cold-blooded, calculated, willfully executed massacres in full view of te meida would at least have been brought to justice.
These guilty perpetrators of the Gujarat riots (including VHP, Bajrang Dal, NArendra Miodi, BJP, RSS) who were the instigator as well as the facilitator of these riots should have been behind bars, IF NOT HANGED/EXECUTED!!!
n thats juzz the Gujarat riot perpetrators! No kashmir, no Bosnia, No Israel/Palestine, no 1993 blasts, no Iraq... n the list juzz goes on n on!
RE:RE:RE:HATRED FOR MUSLIMS:
by jav on Feb 25, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
Well done to both Tabish and Amol and last but not the least our Paa Ji Siddhu ji.
Reading posts like Amol and Siddhu I sincerely think that there is hope for India. We should all work toward making India a progressive society and hope that one day it will become the major force as people are predicting in the west. I also hope that Muslims too, as they are already, through Wipro and Bollywood play major role in making this nation a great nation that it once was. Amol and Siddhu and their friends should be saluted for dismissing the fascist organizations such VHP and Shiv Sena as we all know that in the modern world such dinosaur organizations will only contribute hatred and divisions when we should all be spreading peace, prosperity and humanity. We have enough hatred being spread by the Jews and Americans around the world and common sense tells us the main reasons behind their actions are purely materialistic and maximum control of world's wealth. But if this continues we will be left with nothing but hatred, total chaos and the disappearance of humanity -and do we want this when we already have VHP and RSS of this world in our midst?
You only need look at 25 or so years ago when the only Muslim struggle in this world was against the Zionistic occupation of Israel, but since the end of the cold war all that the US and West has done is demonize the Muslim theology, beliefs and have successfully transformed the religion of Islam into an archaic set of beliefs whose only purpose is to go after the non-believers whoever and wherever they are. What nonsense? I thought Muslims around the world were only interested in doing things that were "NON-ISLAMIC" more than 30 years ago -and that was a running joke with the Arabs who were portrayed as gamblers, womanizers and alcoholics of this world!!
Anyway, this will start a very long topic for which this is perhaps this is not perhaps the right board!!
Finally I would just like to ask that we should all work together to eliminate bigotry in India and look to reports such as Sachar Commission's finding and accept that perhaps this is a vicious circle of some Indian Muslims to feel aggrieved at times as they are not being trusted to have equal employments rights based upon their beliefs even though they are as much Indians as that monstrous Modi and our friends Sukhy and Pranav!!
And next time I am flying out of New Delhi Airport I really hope not be questioned with suspicion just because my name does not end in Modi!!
RE:HATRED FOR MUSLIMS:
by Capitalist on Mar 07, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
nyone ever wonder why an 18 year old youth will strap a bomb around his waist and blow himself up to smithereens when he has the best years of his life in front of him to enjoy? 72 VIRGINS IN HEVEN
First, FOUL language is the only way that gets thru to ppl like u ...(n those impudent HINDUTVA forces)
Second, U wanna talk sensible wid me... I welcome that.. my email is egonomics@gmail.com! Fetid language is the ONLY reply to ppl like Sukhwinder singh, Pranav, Amit, etc.
As for ur claims that " Indian Govt has done & has been doing enough to bring people like you into the mainstream" .. THIS IS totally RUBBISH AND BULLCRAP! Get ur facts straight b4 u post smthin on a public board. Go and read the SACHAR COMMITTEE REPORT and u ll have a better oicture of how neglected the MUSLIM community is IN INDIA! -- In all fields.. except BOLLYWOOD where KHANS rule... cause their FACE/LOOKS are Godgiven and the government cant take that away from US! SEE that?
LAstly, "what have i done for my nation" -- I take it u meant MUSLIMS when u said "YOU" there.... So to answr that , u ignorant baboon, u ll need to scale thru the pages of history to see how many MUSlims gave their heart and soul fo this NATION.... n what have we in return --- PEOPLE like u asking US what HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE COUNTRY!
Its u who need to do sm studying b4 u randomly start pressing keys on ur keyboard. In closing, I suggest the next time that you feel an urge to embarrass yourself and bore others, that you summon all your might, and resist.
RE:TABISH to Raj Aryan
by ratnajayant gudavally on Jun 11, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
Foul language does not clear you out of the mud muslims are stuck in.
Yes muslims due to the religious fanaticism can not join the mainstream Indians . Hence they are a neglected lot.... cause of their inability to mingle with those who are also struggling and raising themselves up.
Muslims can not expect to be served everything on a gold platter without contributing their mite for the country including Haj trips.... and ..... they are surviving with so much of pampering by selfish politicians. How can it go on and on ???
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by guru dev on Mar 29, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
lol tabish....grow up kid.....what have muslims done to this country? well they have made it populous.....and created more muslims.....i understand you - yes you muslims have been crazy right from the time you guys were born and hence lived like nomads in those ***kin arabic deserts...now that you have found safe haven in india , you talk crap.....get the *** out of india or get nuked......also lets hope your allah will help this get done soon...
I'm a Hindu myself, but I find that India, and particularly these message boards go overboard on the Islamophobia.
Do you realise this is a vicious cycle? You call Muslims unpatriotic unless they're proven to be otherwise, this questioning angers them and turns them against India, which in turn leads to step 1.
Why is it that we always ask just the Muslims to prove their patriotism? Let's ask the Christians, the Sikhs and the Hindus to prove their patriotism as well. The fact that you ask Muslims to prove their patriotism is indicative of the fact that you think India to be a Hindu country, and the Muslims to be immigrants/guests/visitors/outsiders.
Why is it that, at the slightest provocation by a small minority, we want them to go to Pakistan? What is the difference between this and white supremacists in Europe telling us brown people to go home?
And what does this terror attack, which has primarily killed Muslims, and Pakistanis at that, have to do with Islam or Pakistan?
I don't say that right-wing Hindu forces did it, its just as plausible that right-wing Islamic forces did it, or anybody else for that matter.
But I think people like Tabish are equally offensive and bigoted, and I don't deny that the things he has said about Hinduism and Hindus do not piss me off. He's just as bad as - if not worse than - the 'Go back to Pakistan, Muslims' brigade.
Ane even if the right-wing Islamists did it, when will we realise that right-wing Islam does not represent Indian muslims, and to look above religion?
RE:Take it easy on the Islamophobia
by Siddhu Warrier on Feb 23, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
I apologise for a second post in succession. But there were a few points I thought I'd missed, that merit addition.
1. Stop calling Muslims and Islam all those names you feel like calling them.
2. People like Tabish, stop calling us Hindus followers of a false prophet or any other filthy phrase that comes to your mind. Respect and racism is a two-way street - Hindus have feelings too. Just as you feel angered by the fact that some Hindus say things about Islam, do realise that your petty, and often disgusting statements on us worshipping the 'Sun and the Moon' - made in a derogatory context - fuels the anger, and polarises society anymore.
I would never contemplate saying that the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) was a false prophet or anything, but then you should not insinuate that Hindus are in some way inferior to you, and your religion.
RE:RE:Take it easy on the Islamophobia
by M Tabish on Feb 24, 2007 03:35 AM Permalink
Hey Siddhu,
Like ur post and i conform to all the points u raised! As for the derogatory terms in my post (for ur religion) i apologize. It was the anger that juzz brimed out the top of my tolerance cup. That post was in responce to people like Sukhwinder Singhm, Amit Ananda and Pranav who, as u said in rur post always want MUSLIMS to PROVE theoir loyality to this nation and who try and reinforece the stereotypical beleif that Mulsims are voilent/terrorists.
These are the ppl who cant look beyond the NAMES! So u c talking sense with them wouldnt have workd!
N u too gotta admit that NOT many HINDUS (the VHP, SANG, SHiv Sena) share ur thoughts on Islam and Muslims. Hence the venomous words!
RE:RE:RE:Take it easy on the Islamophobia
by Siddhu Warrier on Feb 24, 2007 07:27 PM Permalink
Peace be upon you too, brother.
I accept the apology, and I do understand that there have been a few people here who have been blatantly abusive - but responding to them in kind brings everybody else down to their level.
Well, Tabish, from all the Hindus I know, there are very few who think like the Shiv Sena. The Shiv Sena is not just anti-Muslim. They have been anti-South Indian in the past too; they use hate and the 'them and us' philosophy to get votes. It's just that, today, Muslims are the easy target, like South Indians in Bombay once were.
Yes, there are possibly many Hindus who hate Muslims in India. But I would assert confidently that the majority of Hindus are, in fact, tolerant people. If not, wouldn't the VHP or Shiv Sena be ruling this country, and wouldn't we be a 'Hindu Rashtra'? And to assume that most of us think like some of the right-wingers here would be to make the same mistake as those people do.
It is unfortunate that the extremist fringe, on both sides, is more vociferous than the liberal majority - a fact that is true of every place.
For instance, I have faced lots of racism in the time I am unfortunate enough to be forced to spend in Germany - some of which included even physical assault. But I resist (though it is highly tempting to generalise) the temptation of stating that most Germans are like that.
So, my statement would be that - not all Hindus are nice people, and the same holds true for any agglomeration of people. :)
RE:TABISH
by Raj Aryan on Feb 23, 2007 04:39 PM Permalink
Language you have used, shows your culture & brought up. If you have got a difference of opinion with other people you can always put it across without using foul language. Hope your god allah will give you the knowledge to 'do & see' the right things in life. For people like you who hate everything Indian, our Indian Govt has done & has been doing enough to bring people like you into the mainstream.People like you can never comeup in life if you have very narrow mindset. Hope you & people like you take in the right spirit. This is not meant to offend you & people like you. Just for once ask yourself what you have done for this nation. You get the answer.
RE:RE:TABISH
by M Tabish on Feb 24, 2007 03:47 AM Permalink
HAHAHAHAAH Raj Aryan... U really crack me up.
First, FOUL language is the only way that gets thru to ppl like u ...(n those impudent HINDUTVA forces)
Second, U wanna talk sensible wid me... I welcome that.. my email is egonomics@gmail.com! Fetid language is the ONLY reply to ppl like Sukhwinder singh, Pranav, Amit, etc.
As for ur claims that " Indian Govt has done & has been doing enough to bring people like you into the mainstream" .. THIS IS totally RUBBISH AND BULLCRAP! Get ur facts straight b4 u post smthin on a public board. Go and read the SACHAR COMMITTEE REPORT and u ll have a better oicture of how neglected the MUSLIM community is IN INDIA! -- In all fields.. except BOLLYWOOD where KHANS rule... cause their FACE/LOOKS are Godgiven and the government cant take that away from US! SEE that?
LAstly, "what have i done for my nation" -- I take it u meant MUSLIMS when u said "YOU" there.... So to answr that , u ignorant baboon, u ll need to scale thru the pages of history to see how many MUSlims gave their heart and soul fo this NATION.... n what have we in return --- PEOPLE like u asking US what HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE COUNTRY!
Its u who need to do sm studying b4 u randomly start pressing keys on ur keyboard. In closing, I suggest the next time that you feel an urge to embarrass yourself and bore others, that you summon all your might, and resist.
It is very astonishing to see that the discussions here have been used by few of the fanatic muslims to advertise their religion. They claim that Islam is good religion and other religions are bad. So their agenda is that all should convert to Islam.
If any one comes in contact with these muslims, they will start preaching about Koran and telling how that is the only real religion. What nonsense ? Why they can not see anything else other than Koran and their religion ? If at all they want to learn religion why can not they study other religions with open minds and open hearts ? Why do they not allow others to follow their own religion ? Why the perspective that only Muslims are their brothers and people of all other religions are their enemies ? Why this hatred against other religions, making their minds so wicked that they keep on killing others.
How can this menace be stopped. All others think of how we can make our lives better. But they keep on following the absurd teachings of Koran, each lady producing dozens of children, each man marrying dozens of wives, giving very little thought to the future of children, their education, their living standards. They hand over all such issues to Allah. What Allah is going to do here ?
We do not have any problem with these people following their religion. But keep your religion to yourselves. Why this advertising ? As far as your laws of Koran are concerned, follow them if they do not affect the Nation in any way. But if your laws conflict with National laws, the laws of the Land should be supreme. Producing children at will and saying "Ye to Allah ki Den hai", and leaving them without any education or making him a good human being and at the end making him a terrorist, looking at the society with the poisoned glasses of Islam rather than making him a good human being has created a mess of this country.
The need of the hour is that these people understand this Nation and its true nature before it is too late.
RE:Advertising Religion
by jav on Feb 23, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
it's true that Tabish goes a bit OTT but I suppose he has his reasons!
The hatred and islamophobic bigotry displayed by Sukhy and our friend here Pranav is the major factor in Tabish's OTT messages. I don't condone his message which is in the same way I don't condone the hatred by the above mentioned prats.
The mail to read is by our Siddhu paa ji -O paa ji khush kita si!!
As for Pranav who is so obssessed with the fertility of muslim women -I would only say that Tabish has answered how he should be answered, but I would add that yes this Pranav is one SAD git, who is probably suffering from an acute attack of impotency and just because he can't seem to get it up anymore he has taken to attack the other Indians who can!
Pranav please seek help from a good ayurvedic specialist....perhaps there is something that he can do for you.
Before you come back on this message with more of your impotency rants -please do spend some time reading the statistics that Tabish gave you in his above message.
RE:Advertising Religion
by M Tabish on Feb 23, 2007 05:26 AM Permalink
HEY NUT CRACKER,
U say that Muslims are "Producing children at will and saying "Ye to Allah ki Den hai", and leaving them without any education or making him a good human being"
Tell me smthing... ARe 1.1 billion people in this country MUSLIMS, u ignorant pig? NO rite? We juzz constitute like 15% of the whole 1.1 billion. So if u say that Muslims "PRODUCE" children and leave em without education U r nothing BUT ignorant -- Its the other 85% thats THE MAJOR contributor to the polpulation crisis in this country. So in the future, wake up the dozy peglegged hamster operating that wheel-powered homosexual brain of yours before you start typing... GOT THAT?
Its u Frekin HINDUS who are "PRODUCING CHILDREN" saying --yeh to BHAGWAN kee dain hai n then leaving them to rot withut providing em education/ food juzz so that they can lend an extra working HAND to the family.
RE:RE:Advertising Religion
by Raj Aryan on Feb 23, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
Language you have shows your culture & brought up. If you have got a difference of opinion with other people you can always put it across without using foul language. Hope allah will give you the knowledge to do & see the right things in life.
