RE:Article on Islam
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 16, 2007 04:08 PM Permalink
Why a man marrying again when is wife is living? Is it relevant to today's time.
RE:RE:Article on Islam
by sa sa on Feb 16, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
good that u fell in your own trap if you take one line from chapter 1 and 1 line from chapter 10 you are obiviouly going to miss the context
RE:RE:RE:Article on Islam
by Dr. Vinay Gupta on Feb 16, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Please come-up with right context. That will be really interesting, or you are just talking in air.
RE:RE:Article on Islam
by Ashwin Iyer on Feb 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Dear Mairan,
Good that you have read some parts of the Holy Quran. I am a devout Dharmic but have read through the Holy Quran as a matter of interest in religious philosophies. these verses that you have mentioned should not be seen as what you read. You might have to read them with other verses which qualify these.
The Holy Quran if properly read and interpreted is a wonderful religious and philosophical document. The saddest part is, it has been subject to highest amount of misinterpretation, by muslims themselves, thus resulting in Osamas.
Reading through these verses on the face and accusing them is like what aethists in TN read about Purusha Suktha of the vedas and say they are discriminatory against discriminated castes.
No religious scripture in the world is against humanity, only the followers who wrongly interpret them are against it.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Article on Islam
by Ashwin Iyer on Feb 16, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
Dear Mairan,
These are again results of wrong interpretation. What is happening in middle-east is also result of the same problem. they dont understand the basic idea behind the religion. Infact most of it is all oppurtunistic interpretation, theytake what they want and leave the rest...trust me...every religion in the world is good and all fall in the path of Sanatana Dharma
RE:RE:Article on Islam
by amit singhvi on Feb 16, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
What exactly u want to tell?? Nobody asked you to tell us why Jehad. Whole world know it is for the sake of god created by your mullah & maullavis. If you want to take it in positive way hear ALLAH means "Supreme Power" and the person who believes in that power are Believers and others are nonbelievers. It doesnt matter if that power has different names. But power is one only.. If you follow this than you should kill all the plants and animals on this world as they cant tell you that they follows islam.
Come on man, U think u are educated, wht is the meaning of eductaion. Hitler was educated man, now shd we say he had the right to do so coz he was educated. Why are you justifying a persons crook and narrow thinking with Holy Quran's versus. The author just wanted to convey that we shd knw our history to avoid the repitition of the wrong deeds and to understand the impacts. Thats it.
RE:RE:Article on Islam
by Dr. Vinay Gupta on Feb 16, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
can't change words but can kill thousands for that????? Is that what you mean?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Article on Islam
by Dr. Vinay Gupta on Feb 16, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
HURT??? When words can hurt, imagine of the atrocities really done. come to the point and say- Do you appreciate what Aurangjeb did, be it written by any historian? That will resolve the problem.
RE:Article on Islam
by vishal kundnani on Feb 16, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Yes, The scriptures are meant for all the people of all the times. You just go to any arab country and see arab men wearing White robes and women Black burqas in such sweltering heat. Either you people don;t know about science or you don't believe in equality. What's your say on that?
RE:Wow! So we have Osama of the 17th century!
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 16, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
Prabal - I am fully with you. Please call me when you go to kill those creatures. They should be shot dead in chaurahas or beheaded like they do to criminals in Saudi.
Kudos to the writer for discussing an issue which is live even today, the pseudosecularists might have anything to say.The fact that todays Indian Muslims are infact Forcible converts from Hindu religion cannot be overlooked . The Muslim ideology needs to be more accomodating and acts like Godhra or wiping of Pandits from Kashmir Valley by Muslims cannot be tolerated further. Also Hindus should forget their differences and be aware of the grave danger posed by Hardline Islam. The Government of India should stop its appeasement policy of Muslims and people should know Muslims are growing at an alarming rate , more than the rate of Hindus. 110 years back , when British carried an census , Muslims were 22 percent of United India , India , Pakistan and Bangladesh put together . Now they are 15 15 15= 45 Cr, compared to 90 Cr Hindus , ie they are 33 percent .Dont allow such a major demographic change for Gods sake.. Milind V B
RE:Francois Gautier on AURANGZEB
by Tajamul B Beig on Feb 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
""400,000 Kashmiri Pandits were chased out of Kashmir"".....I dont know how the author reached such a conclusion that he used the term chased. Infact it was the then governor of the state of jammu and kashmir Mr. Jugmohan who persuaded the kashmiri pandits to leave the region so that terror could be unleashed upon the remaining population, muslims of teh state. It is the pundits who left the state of their own will, so that when ever a bullet would be fired by the Army the victim should be a muslim. If any of you is thinking and worrying about the numbers talked about the author, dont forget to take a look into the figures when we think about kashmiri muslims.... Even having to prove a point here its such a shame that people shut their eyes from the truth..
RE:RE:Francois Gautier on AURANGZEB
by Abhijit Nimkar on Feb 16, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
Whatever u have written is bullshit Mr Tajamul. I have got many Kashmiri Pandits as my friend & they have faced very difficult situations in Kashmir which forced them to leave from there.So whatever u have written above is simply crap.I m not an anti Muslim but simply dont just write anything without knowing anything.
RE:Francois Gautier on AURANGZEB
by Mujahid on Feb 16, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Hi Milind Nice to hear your comments on Muslims.
Milind my brother we all are educated, and its very difficult to remove hatred out of one's mind.I dont know the exact reason for your hatred, but i respect your feelings. But i think the new generation should kill individual differences rather than killing each other. Lets make our country better. JaiHind.
RE:RE:Francois Gautier on AURANGZEB
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 16, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
Mujahid I dont hate Muslims - my best of friends are Muslims - my business partner is a Muslim - in fact I deeply loved one Muslim girl but could not marry her due to her family not agreeing and both of us accepted the wills of her family. The question is about pseudo secularism, which is plaguing our country. We are all equal. The minority pampering by the politicians are creating this rift in a major way. You have to admit my brother - not many Muslims are so open minded and tolerant like you. Believe me so many Muslims I saw keep their religion over nation. I am a Hindu, but more important is that I am an Indian. I saw very few Muslims to proudly proclaim like this. It hurts.
RE:RE:RE:Francois Gautier on AURANGZEB
by irrata on Feb 16, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
Why is it that if you are a muslim, you are supposed to prove your patriotism??? In India a muslim is GUILTY until he can prove his innocence....not the other way round.....and why should one have to prove anything??
RE:RE:RE:RE:Francois Gautier on AURANGZEB
by Dr. Vinay Gupta on Feb 16, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
Dear Irrata Pl go through the posts here and you will get answer to your Q. Why is it only muslims who are all out to prove that Aurangjeb was a good ruler? B'cause he did cruelity to non-muslims had it been towards muslims would they speak the same language.
its always good to read historical books to know past, get more insights and then just forget them because what one did 100s of years back is irrelevent to fight on today.
if we look at both moughals and christans there history in rest of world is too violent and barbaric, but most of this invadors mellowed down in india in couple of decades because of solidarity, harmony in way of life for all indians or hindustanis to that matter.
So lets read this books, enjoy them and forget them because we have today to live and tomorrow to think about than argue over yesterday.
RE:any books on history should be read and not discussed too much, as its already history
by Dr. Vinay Gupta on Feb 16, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
SO if someone rapes a mother or sister then her brothers or sons after 15-20 years should read and enjoy it as it is history now??????? Man what are you saying !!!!
i feel really ashamed to be an Indian where my own people are afraid to tell the truth.No media reported about the killing of Hindus after Godhra, nobody has the courage to tell the world the dark period of our history without the fear of a political backlash. shame on us that we are degrading the name of this great bharatakhanda. regards Vasista
RE:Shame on Us
by Venkata Ravimohan on Feb 16, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
This Political Buggers are only seeing for their existence but not about the people. What u have told is 100% correct. No one wants to talk about the Hindu's who were or really killed or harrased by the muslims.They want the vote bank of Muslims as their number of votes are more when compared to Hindu's. They think that only muslims and christians are minority communities. Why cant they open their eyes and see how many hindu families are starving from years together and should also be called as minorities.
RE:A great article...
by Govind Raj on Feb 16, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Dara Shikoh was indeed beheaded because of his liberal nature and for helping the Hindus. Aurangzeb got the throne even while Dara was alive.
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by SENGATHIR SELVAN on Feb 16, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Tasin, If we count on dead bodies, both (Muslims and non-muslims) are equally monsterous.you know these killing happen to ascertain political status. But political culture of muslims are not in good taste. As an athiest, I would ask Muslims people to keep religion away from Politics. God does not rule the country. If you belive so, then so called God's reps. would rule and drive you to feel that "Islam is under threat" to fulfill his own agenda (sticking to power)..
Reformative leaders in muslim community is in dire need now.. Do you accept?.. If not, show one such muslim leader with modernised thoughts in India.
For me, we have such one in Pakistan ,..guess...Mr.Mushraff
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Rahul Oze on Feb 16, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
What you are saying is what all Muslims say in general. It indeed is truthfull that no prophet of God, Be it Muhammed, Krishna, Jesus or Bahaullah, have ever prophesied hatred for any fellow human being. The problem with Islam/ Hindu and such all old religions is that their relevance has been lost over many years. We must understand that everything has a shelf life. Even religions, civilisations and so on. Islam wan not ever existant on this earth, not was Hinduism. For every age and period, God has sent prophets who have taught humanity and given laws from time to time. These laws are not eternal as these prophets are not. We must progress further and recognise the fact and truth. Ultimately, it is between us and our creator and nothing else matters when we all are laid to rest in a 6x2 ft space. Let us not debate which religion is right or wrong. All religions & their prophets are undoubtedly good. It is the people who over the ages have corrupted the main essence of the teachings of these prophets. The main culprits are the pundits and moolahs & clergy and not religions.
RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Vinayak Patil on Feb 16, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
Just to quickly add: Hinduism is oldest in religions going back to thousands of years. Its teachings believe human and his relationship with nature. Also hinduism has eveolved over this period by Krishna, Shankaracharya and many other intellects. It does not follow one book nor it defines any specific rules about human beings lifestyle. Muslim religion is much modern in this sense and it goes by book which is written by few individuals and nobody is allowed to change it anyways. I realise that Hinduism offers me great freedom which I do not see in other religions.
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Vinayak Patil on Feb 16, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
Hi Tasin,
You might say that jews & western world is creating malicious image of islam but it is truth that Islam is facing dilemma of its own.
A muslim is living in situation where their holybook does not align with modern world. Other religions went through revolution and evolve as time changed. Most of them either adopted teachings to current life style and provided freedom to followers or either scrapped some teachings entirely. Muslim still remains as it is after 15 centuries.
Let me ask a question, why every country where muslims are in majority insist running country under religion rules? Isn't it is responsibility of muslim scholar to rise against wrong implementation of their religious teachings. Why non-muslim minority is forced to follow certain ways of muslim ruling government? Why muslims cannot separate government from religion? Why they expect concessions and their right of living in certain way when they are living in democratic countries where other religions are in majority?
They expect others to align with their religion when they are in majority whereas they expect to live the way they want when they are in minority. How this double standard can be accepted?
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by ded de on Feb 16, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
like you i too have not read history. but unlike you i am not a devout religious. just an atheist but Hindu. it is greatness of hindu religion that it accepts me in its fold. being an atheist i am not sure about who should be called messenger of god but from earthly experience i understand who should be called messenger of death and evil. tell me if it is not true that your prophet raped a 9 years old girl called ayesha, if he has himself not participated in genocide of various jewish and pre-islamic tribes. tell me if koran has not got detailed accounts how to kill a pow and rape women captives. if the references attributed to koran and prophet in faithfreedom.org is false. compare the acts and life of your prophet with message of compassion , love and divinity of Jesus , budha, mahavir and take an intelligent decision yourselves.
RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Ashraf Siddiqui on Feb 16, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Napolean Hill has rightly said, If the human mind can beleive and conceive it can achieve. Muslims beleive in one God 'Allah', hence iman is conceived in their hearts and when they talk about it more people beleive and conceive and hence the islamisation of the world. Islam is a religion which teaches resistance from succumbing to worldly desires. Its a religion of the Book (The Koran) and everyone is free to read it, being available in English. If you are oppressed then you have every right to defend yourself, this is taken as an act of terrorism by the world. No one sees the actions of the Americans and the Jews.
Aurangazeb is long gone we are still discussing his actions, some 20 decades later someone will write about Osama and a similar discussion will come up.
RE:RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Vinayak Patil on Feb 16, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
The writer already explained why this exhibition is important. Just because hitler killed thousands of jews, all jews does not become foe of german people. Similarly if one person from muslim religion does wrong does not mean other religions will start taking revenge.
As with Hitler, just because he killed jews, we should not hide its history from world. Similarly history of Aurangzeb should not be kept hidden.
RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Indian Muslim on Feb 16, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
Yes, Now that you have read with an Open mind Mr Mairan. Can you come to the conclusion? You are asking the muslims to go and read from websites run by Anti-Islamic terrorists. Have a life! You can breath air for some better purpose! How about you having an open mind and talk with ME, an indian muslim rather? But no, you would want to read, what suits YOU!
RE:RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by SENGATHIR SELVAN on Feb 16, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Yes, Mr.Mairan should be ready to talk to you...rather preaching to read some propoganda..
RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Rahul Oze on Feb 16, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
the text of the second site mentioned by you is rubbish and a work of some insolent moolah. Quran & Mohammed never wrote anything of this kind. It is all made up.
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Riaz Khan on Feb 16, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
i pesonally believe all the great religions we have today, including islam do not preach violence/ hatred & bloodshed.
But due to lack of education among muslims (worldwide) and quality of islam's religious leaders & their interpretations of islam, we have arrived at where we are.
This sudden hue and cry about islam and its followers started with the attack of world trade center by osama bin laden.
We as muslims always talk about our worldwide oppression be it in Middle East or western world. But we fail to understand that islam as a religion is hated everywhere by non-muslims for many reasons, and also for its popularity.
We, muslims, have a great responsibility on our shoulders to show the world we care for our fellowbeings from other faiths by following what islam preaches.
Unless that happens, we and our actions will always be under the constant scrutiny of those who cannot stomach the worldwide growth of islam.
Suffering of humanity happens every where in the world. But my humble observation is that Muslims tend to encircle themselves as "muslims" irrespective of their national identity. Atleast me, could not see my Muslims brothers be bothered with Hindus being suppressed somewhere. When it comes only to muslims/Islam, they raise an issue.. otherwise it is considered as problems happening out of the planet.. Pls dont get me wrong...All Muslims political parties here are to defend their faith, not for progress..
Infamously one of my muslim friend told me that Kashmiri Hindus vacated Kashmir voluntirely to bring bad name to Muslims..What is your take?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by wada pav on Mar 25, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
GURU TEG BAHADUR SINGH WAS TORTURED TO DEATH BY AURANGZEB BECAUSE HE OPPOSED THEIR FORCIBLE CONVERSION TO ISLAM . SO KASHMIR ISSUE IS A RELIGIOUS ISSUE,NOT JUST A POLITICAL ISSUE. KASHMIRI MUSLIMS WANT A INDEPENDANT ISLAMIC NATION AND NOT A INDEPENDANT SECULAR NATION.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by SENGATHIR SELVAN on Feb 16, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
I will be entirely happy if Kashmir turns out to be a political one...
I accept that there is an undirectional / unjusitified anger over muslims because of some ill concieved people.
I feel that the article that is written should not be taken against muslim comunity as such. The problem here is that when we say Aurangzeb was bad, all the muslims take it personally and feel that they are said so. More than one time i see that people things personally.
Guys we should accept the truth, look Aurangzeb as a person not as muslim and then make a comment. U will definetly feel that What is written in article is correct.
Similarly there can be some hindu ruler who might have done wrong. And we need to be bold enough to say that he did wrong.
Other reason for people to get this though is because of politicans. When some things happens against muslims, everyone condems. If the same happens with Hindu there will be on comment, expect from one or two.
I feel that we should be bold enough to accept the truth and correct from the mistakes done in past.
I feel that such articles should be taken in proper sprits and understand from the mistakes of the past.
RE:Article
by Indian Muslim on Feb 16, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
just how many people here do you think, take this in proper spirits?? almost 1% thats it. Another tool for muslim bashing, Another reason to despise against muslims. And best of all, if muslims seek justice they say " Why , the muslims rulers did this and that" or " Go and see how muslims treat their minorities " etc... And more often these days you talk about Gujrat muslims , and you have an equivalent answer " Kashmiri Hindus" ... Never mind that either of the people dont have anything to do with other.
Most people who hate muslims , especially on the forums on the internet, are armed with Historic events to malign or use the cliche of terrorism in view current world events in which most of the muslims of today do not have anything to do, especially of the Indian Kind!
