Aurangzeb was a butcher ,no doubt about it.History is there as evidence.Here is another fact.Aurungzeb ordered the breaking and chipping of all statues on the Gwalior fort.There are thousands of statues on the fort which is abour 4Km long.Each statue was chipped or broken.They had orders not to leave a single statue intact.What pains these peaceloving muslims must have taken to break each statue.And what poison these muslim brothers must have had on their minds.This fact is still there for all to see even now.
Yet our marxist historians have not mentioned it in any of the text books.It is time that the deeds of cowardice of these marxists in pre independent India are exposed.
RE:The truth about Aurangzeb
by vivek kumar jain on Feb 16, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
Very true.I don't understand the level of fanatism these guys tend to practise.Y destroy any art form when u don't have the knowledge to make it. The great tall statues of Buddha in Afganistan,temples,statues and to top it all humans.The mistake we're doing is just picking on the poor Aurangzeb-its not that guys fault-he carried that in his genes blame the genes not him. Needs to be studied on the current pretext however no conclusion can be reached... Don't blame on the poor congressi's or the marxists...you vote for them and then u blame them....
I dont want to comment anything on the above article.But one thing i would like to bring forth is India is the only country where u can practise ur faith,ur religion with freedom.India is primarily a Hindu dominated country but u can see other religions bieng practised here too & without any restrictions.I agree there are a few exceptions but other than that its really a free country. Everybody knows about the restrictions on other religions in Gulf countries.There are far too many restrictions in Gulf countries.But no questions are asked abt it any time....?? Why so??Dont u ppl think that India is a far better country to live in...
Sorry to say this " We in the gulf never experienced any problems except in Saudi Arabia where its imposed by govt" The rest of the countries are very peaceful and much more accepting. In very simple words we never faced problems from the local people. These populations including their rulers are very tolerant, proffessionals and they accepted all people alike irrespective of their religion and creed.
Just believe there are Temples & Churches in Oman, UAE, Qatar and Bahrain. We have holidays for New Year, Christmas, Deepavali, Onam. We e
Everybody is free to profess their religions in their own privacy.
The Problem is not from these people but from our own minorities who make your life miserable here if you are very few in the organisations you are working.
After all a duplicate is a duplicate and it can never be original.
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by Surya Kanishka on Feb 16, 2007 05:34 PM Permalink
We are paid for & paid well for what we are here. You seem to be ignorant of the facts.
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by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Mr. Mairan, You are a good critic Accept the FACTS you are only interested to blame Muslims.
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by Gopi nath on Feb 16, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
dear abhijith, excellent ! keep it up brother ! India is only the country where people from all faiths, all races and all thoughts can live in peace and harmony !! My Mother INDIA is really a MOTHER giving shelter to poor, rich, hindu, muslim, christian, parsi, sikh, white, black, brown....list is endless.. Feel proud of our Mother !!!!
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by vinod Nadar on Feb 16, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
It is not an act of cowardness to say we accept every Muslims as our brothers. It is the test of maturing of every responsible and well-wisher Indian (including Muslims) to say so, because this country is a fabric of many coloured threads.
I must congratulate you to evoke such a topic in these turbulent times and make us Indians aware of our bloody past. Well it seems we 'patriotic' 'unity in diversity' Indians will listen more to the likes of you, Koenraad Elst, David Frawley(Pandit Vamadev Shastri) and Alain Danielou rather than Sitaram Goel, Ram Swarup and Arun Shourie; then so be it!!
We need to imitate such things from Europe such as reconciliation e.g. Germans realising and horrified at the HOLOCAUST they committed; so much so that even today's German children learn about the Nazi past and the terrible oppression by them of the Jews, Gypsies and Slavs(incl. those who protected them).
I doubt the Muslims (save a few like late Anwar Sheikh) will acknowledge the horrors their forefathers/ converting conquerors have committed against Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians and Sikhs over 1200 years!? But your programme is a step forward.
Well the American historian, Will Durant had this to say (in The Story of Civilization): "...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for it's evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within."
Looks familiar doesn't it? Here's wishing you all the best.
RE:Nice simple article about the truth!!
by NIRANJAN L on Feb 16, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
Dear Sushil you can accept dark facts when you are mature enough to understand why & how they happened. Majority of Indians are still over sensitive to these issues & will flame up on recalling these incidents. Its gonna take a real long time for us to mature, think about shaping the future & then recalling & undestanding the past. Most nations that have accepted the past are the ones with one major religion. Its no joke to convince a billion people following numerous faiths about a dark past. Its best to keep the past there & move ahead. All religions have resorted to some tactic for propogation. If anyone brought out the facts about the spread of Christianity, Aurangzeb would sound like a kindergarten kid. The fact is that we are constantly facing a world that has more practical problems than spiritual ones. Every nation knows it can't survive by itself. Boundaries are opening up like never before. Communication couldn't have been better. All this is allowing human to human contacts. When you look deep inside yourself & others, you see no difference. Its something written down centuries ago, that had relevance then, that is still dictating the ways of life. Religion is required to discipline humans but law is not much different. There are plenty of Aurangzebs & Hitlers practising even today. Its just a matter of how we fight them to oblivion that decides what the world is going to look like in the near & far future. Lets wake up to accept human kind as one & sort problems that will let us all live equally & happily in the short time we are gonna be in this planet.
RE:Nice simple article about the truth!!
by NIRANJAN L on Feb 16, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
WOW...WHAT A JOKE HAPPENING HERE....THE GUY (FRANCOIS GAUTIER) IS A CHRISTIAN WHO IS SO SUCCESFUL IN CREATING A WAR (OF WORDS & SUBSEQUENT BLOOD SHED) BETWEEN HINDUS & MUSLIMS... WAKE UP GUYS.. WE HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO IN LIFE THAN FIGHT ABOUT RELIGION. REMEMBER... GOD MADE MAN...MAN DIDN'T MAKE GOD. RELIGION IS BUT MAN MADE & MOST CERTAINLY THERE ARE SEVERAL FLAWS. THE WORLD IS PROGRESSING & WE SHOUDLN'T BE LEFT BEHIND. WAKE UP TO FACTS FACING US IN THE EYE. LEAVE RELIGION TO THE CLERGIES. THEY ARE GONNA DIE SOON ANYWAY.
RE:Nice simple article about the truth!!
by Samir Ankalikar on Feb 16, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
yes sushman what william durrant said was right. but some indians are shy to talk about it. it is wrong to say that only aurangzeb was cruel. even his forefathers were no angels. Akbar , Jahangir and Shahjahan were equally cruel but the opposite has been taught in history books. Aurangzeb is remembered for his atrcocities because he was the last powerful mughal emperor. if Akbar , jahangir and Shahjahan were tolerant , then were people like Rana Pratap or sikh Gurus like Argan Dev and Teghbahadur mad to oppose them ? also never has any muslim ruler built any mosque or garden or fort. if so there is no existing islamic book like Vastu Shastra just as hindus have. Existing structures were conquered and used by these barbarians and in history it has been noted as follows: "Shahjahan built tajmahal" or "Akbar built fatehpur sikri". it has now been proved that TajMahal was a Hindu temple and existed when Babur arrived in India. ( Babur was an ancestor of Shahjahan ). if Shahjahan could construct a huge building like Taj after his wife's death, then why did he not make any bigger buildings for her when she was alive. i dont know why our governments are so shy in accepting the fact that the 1000 year muslim rule in India was worse than the Nazi occupation of Poland or Russia. any way some people will not unedrstand this .
Thats what this Aurangzeb article is. This one tries to bring out monkey like behaviour out of pretty normal people who have the capability to mind their own business and live a peaceful life.
RE:Bandaronke saamne chane daalo, phir tamasha dekho.
by BALSWAROOP AWASTHI on Feb 16, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
I would rather give you a response in a language you understand Mr. Deepak Peaceful (so-called). Shuturmurg ret me gardan gaad kar poori duniya ko peaceful declare kar deta hai... To kya wo maara nahi jaata?
You can hide yourself from history, its your choice, but some will take precendents from incorrect history as motivation, and you will not be able to hide from them. Wait until you become that roasted Ostrich and monkeys will take care of themselves.
Now people IN INDIA and in world throughout are loosing Innocence of claim of ISLAM - that it is a religion of peace !!!!!! We have had innumerable tragic stories of barbarism, brutality, and slaughter of the Hindu, during the last 1200 years, at the hands of Moslems. Islam has a military solution for the elimination of Non-Moslem Kafirs ( Infidels ). Islam is a shooting-gallery for Non-Moslem Kafirs,
Media is controlled by Congress and Communists and needs Muslim votes to pamper their families with goodies . So never they call the spade the spade . Recent example to be noted Arjun Singh and CM of AP , who wants to extend facility to Christians to visit bethlehem . Francois Gautier has a website and he has explained his view point . Now Muslims have to get to gether and tell the Hindu community that ISLAM is really a religion of peace and forget the OLD medieval book called QURAN and modify it to suit the present day . For thos einterested in indian perspective , More details and books are available on website :http://www.bharatvani.org
Cruelty is ISLAM has been the basis of expansion of their religion and historically more than 10 crore hindus in AFGHANISTAN , PAKISTAN , INDIA have been slaughtered in name of peaceful religion of ISLAM . Late Dr. Anwar Shaikh [ God Bless Him ] an ex-muslim has made an analysis of QURAN and no muslim has been able to deny his allegations . He is searcheable on net . Its is time that millions of Indians Muslims should know their ancestery conversion which was perpetuated by sword and instead of genuine love for new liberating religion . Let the forward thinking , edcated muslims come together and also atone for their ancestors sins . They shall gain more respect from the Hindus if they do so and do not allow the uneducated fundamental mullahs to sway the balance .
FOR WE ARE LOOSING INNOCENCE OF PEACEFUL CLAIMS OF ISLAM .
Cyberhinwa
cyberhinwa@gmail.com
All books are available in pdf form for those interested in knowing more with a Muslim historians reference and point of view . You may send me a request email and i shall oblige
RE:YES ... now time for some truth
by Santa on Feb 16, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Wow ... 10 crore Hindus killed by muslims??? Then how many were left for conversion to Islam? Two or three? Little bit of exaggeration is ok, but not this much. Going by what you have written, muslims should have been a majority in our country now.
I agree with the columnist that we need to know the history not only about Aurangzeb but the entire history. Was Aurangzeb an exception? He was a distoator but so was Ashoka and only later he took to Buddhism. Were the Aryans who first came to India not dictators and exhortionist. Of course they were and they over period instituionalised the worst and most ingrained racial system of castes. Was Aurangzeb any different to any of these people? I dont think so. Tommorow's history would be written and George Bush may figure as dictator. So in history time and gain there have been tyrrants. But this fact should not prevent us from discussing the past because that is the only way to lay foundations for the future. But the biggest fear which we all harbour is intolerance towards other's faith and believing that just one religion is the best and not others and trying to impose this on others. Wiping off one country from the face of earth is jsut one such example. Look at the intolerance of Mr. Baig or Mr. Mirza in the following columns, he even doesnt want to read all this and wants Rediff to stop such non-sense and echoses the sensoring of information and knowledge. Debate is the surest way to establish democracy unless one wants to slip into Iran like dictatorship.
RE:Aurangzeb-What is history?
by Ashwin Iyer on Feb 16, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Dear Shri Chowdhury,
Without prejudice to your opinion, I have a few observations in your post.
1) Aryans "coming" to India, either as invaders, dictators, exhortionist is wrong history spread around by Max Muellar and likes. This was because of two things. One, ignorance and two consipiracy. Things have started to unfold now and a clearer history is visible with appropriate evidences.
2) Ashoka was not a dictator or a tyrant and as far as my knowledge goes no written or folk history mentions this. Ashoka was a a Megalomaniac who took on wars to expand his kingdom and killed scores of people. The blodiest of all those wars was Kalinga war, the consequence of which changed his mind to Budhism.
Infact, Indian history at many instance says that you do not need to invade ro wage war to expand your kingdom. Mauryan dynasty was the biggest in size during the reign of Samudragupta Maurya (Ashoka's Father) who commanded entire South and South East Asia. but no major wars are reported in period. Infact, some scriptures in the SE Asia talk about his ability of negotiations and striking alliances through which we assume annexed so many kingdoms.
RE:Aurangzeb-What is history?
by BALSWAROOP AWASTHI on Feb 16, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
By the way Mr. Ayan CPM Chowdhury, Ashoka was trying to unite a country divided into hundreds of fiefdoms. Even then, at least regretted and tried to compensate for his deeds. Also, Aryan invasion theory has been proved a false marxist historian claim worldwide, but being CPM Chowdhury you would not understand that.
By the way, just to give a small insight further on this comparison, Aurangzeb was not trying to integrate any country, he was forcing people to convert to a different faith which he thought was the only right one.
The intolerance of ignorants can still be cured, the real problem is using false data to support your claim of being a nutralist.
RE:Aurangzeb-What is history?
by Cyber hinwa on Feb 16, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
THERE WAS NO ARYAN INVASION , YOU SEEM TO BE LIVING IN A COMMUNIST / CONGRESS MADE FOOLS PARADISE . SEEK AND YOU SHALL BE REWARED.
GO TO http://www.bharatvani.org .
We have had innumerable tragic stories of barbarism, brutality, and slaughter of the Hindu, during the last 1200 years, at the hands of Moslems. Islam has a military solution for the elimination of Non-Moslem Kafirs ( Infidels ). Islam is a shooting-gallery for Non-Moslem Kafirs,
Do not worry matters in this are taken from MUSLIM HISTORIANS so you rest asssured the matter is truth .
Dear Mr Francois Gautier,I have read few articles written by you.Most of the time you have been brilliant.I think you have understood India better than some of so called Indians.Its really appreciable that a westener understands Indian history and social structure as well as you do.May god help some of our communist historians who try their best to refrain us from reading the truth. Please carry on doing the good work and enlighten us with un-biased views on other socio-political issues too.Hope to read more from you.
What you observe or say about something largely depends on the perspective from which you are looking. For example, take the case of Ashoka. He was a ruthless ruler and he eliminated everybody who came in his path. Even today, he is despised in parts of Orissa, but in general he is regarded as an efficient ruler by others. If one looks closely at the rule of Aurangzeb, he was very efficient in governance and corruption was almost non-existent during his rule. It's true that he was intolerant when it comes to religion, but at the same time he extended total protection to the lives and property of people who paid taxes (zakaath for muslims and jizyah for non-muslims). As some readers have pointed out, we should look at the positive side of a person as well.
RE:Different Perspectives
by Cyber hinwa on Feb 16, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Hi ,
Nice to know you think differently . I came across a book and it pained me and set me thinking about the crimes committed by MULSIM INVADERS against my beautiful country INDIA and peace loving people . I have taken trouble to convert the book in pdf file . You may download the book if you follow the download links as given below :
I particularly recommend the reading of chapter XII SEXUAL SLAVERY , and then tell me Do you still think ISLAM is innocent ........ Comments and responses awaited ,
RE:Different Perspectives
by Samir Ankalikar on Feb 16, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
dear santa, corruption was at its peak when aurangzebs empire extended from kabul to madurai and when he was fighting against the marathas. every one in the country the rajputs , sikhs, jats were angry with hime. it is said that there were 400 rebellions in 10-12 years of his deccan campaign. u will understand what is muslim rule when u take birth in some pakistan or saudi arabia
I m sorry to say that your knowledge in history is very poor. This article is just your idea to be in limelight. There are many facts about Indian history which are still in dark, why you only choose these kind of topics to discuss. If you are a true history lover then choose a topic from some of the below mentioned topics. 1) There are only few names of Muslim in Indian Freedom history, do u really think there are only five to ten Muslims who took part in Indian freedom?.
2) Do you know that Aurangzeb was almost the only emperor who used to run his family by making caps & writing Quraan by his own hands. He always use public money for public only.
3) Islam is the only religion which is not spread by sword or any war. If you are true history lover this is a challenge to you, just name that wars which converts many people in the world in just 1400 years of time to become a very big religion on this earth.
Don't compare some Muslim names to whole community or religion. People could be wrong but religion never. The Shariat was not made for that era only , these are the rules for the benefit of human being on this earth for everlasting.
RE:Aurangzeb is a peace lover...
by Cyber hinwa on Feb 16, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
Dear SARFARAZ ,
Pity yourself as your knowledge of ISLAM IS very poor , and history almost nil . India suffered terrible distortion, disgrace and devastation from these booty-hunters whose followers, even today, treat Bharat as Dar-ul-Harb (the battlefield), and are determined to convert it into an Islamic state through malice, mischief and molestation.
The false prophet Muhammad suffered from malignant narcissistic personality disorder. His followers, to the degree that they emulate him, think like him and try to behave like him, have entered into his narcissistic bubble universe and have become narcissists by extension. This happens to all cultists. In all cults, the insanity of the guru reflects on the followers who surrender their intelligence to him and follow him unquestioningly and brainlessly. A muslim whose ancestors was terrorised and slaughtered then they were ultimately forced to become Muslim has written a book were he critically analyses the terror handbook "QURAN". No other religion can match the ferocity and the violence which is advocated in this book , Violence against Jews , Christians and any other religions is explained in detailed . It is a monstorous creation of a perverted mind .
Major parts are mentioned for all those to see and understand the facade behind the religion of peace [ uuugggggghh] .I have digitised the book and i have uploaded to the link wherein you can download if you are not afraid of being labelled Apostate !!!!
I particularly recommend the reading of verses to verses explanation which no muslim will deny it is not written .
Comments and responses awaited at cyberhinwa@gmail.com ,
CYBERHINWA
Question for all Muslims : If ISSLAM is about peace why do Muslims justify to other religions that ISSLAM is religion of peace instead of telling their own Muslims and stop KILLING innocents ????????
I am sory but rather your knowledge in history is very poor. Francois Gautiere is famous worldwide, and does not need lime or lemon lights. The answers: 1. There is no dirth of names in Indian Freedom Movement who were Muslims. Do you really think we should include Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal also in that list, it may be a little problematic for people like you who ask forcefully for their rights but sulk on the topics of duties? 2. Many know the fact of Aurangzeb stitching caps and writing Qur'ans to earn his living. But all of them also know that he killed his brother Dara Shikoh just because of his greater popularity and Sufi inclination. He only used Islam to justify his fanaticism, isnt it so that according to Shariah Law he should have been executed by sword for killing his brother. Now make up another story my friend. 3. There is no need for the challenge, you just need to look in your own household to find the war that converted many people to become a very big religion in 1400 years or do you really believe that all 12-22% muslims in India came walking behind Babar or Ghaznis and Ghoris. It may be a bitter truth you would never accept, but if you are an Indian muslim, more than 90% chances are that your ancestors lost that war to become muslims.
Islam in its pure form is definitely not bad, in fact it has som features which are brilliant in terms of social justice. But the principles of this religion has been twisted and altered for selfish reasons. And unfortunately the culprits are not original muslim or predominantly Islamic areas. It is the subcontinent convert population largely, in their zeal to prove themselves as the sole carriers of the faith. Look from Europe to Asia for cases of Islamic terrorism and you will find the origins and links in the Subcontinent Islam.
RE:Aurangzeb is a peace lover...
by Prakashan Valappil on Feb 16, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
I fully agree with Mr.Sarfaraz. All the religious leadears who has established certain religions has set rules of humanisam. No relitions leaders set any rules to hate other religious people or kill them. So no religion is wrong. People who wrongly interpret are wrong. In India it is a political game to get votes and the poor people are killed in the name of relition. Can you name any political leaders killed in the communal riots. Let our new generation understand it.
RE:Aurangzeb is a peace lover...
by ded de on Feb 16, 2007 04:39 PM Permalink
thats the point. aurangzeb was a devout muslim so a devout killer terrorist etc.
RE:Aurangzeb is a peace lover...
by vinod Nadar on Feb 16, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Its true that Aurangazeb used to make (and sell) caps to sustain his family. In fact his burial ground is a example of his earnings & simplicity. But how come mr Sarfaraz this approach of life makes him peace lovers? Its people like us who manipulate history as per our taste. Please lets not talk of Islam or Muslims. It's just plain Aurangazeb. This Indian is worth appreciating for extending the Mughal empire by more than 50% what his father left behind. In fact he was at the warfront all his last years...
RE:Aurangzeb is a peace lover...
by rajesh radhakrishnan menon on Feb 16, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
mr.sarfaraz, i can understand ur feeling.but this feeling comes only when it is talked in muslim context. you are talking about freedom struggle.yes contribution of muslim community is commendable,but what is the percentage?generally speaking muslims as has been seen priority is given only to religion.if a hindu girl marries a muslim then is converted to muslim and same with the hindu boy.but when a muslim girl marries a hindu then such a there is such afurore about that.even if she gets converted to hinduism her parents and community put so much pressure on her to reconvert back and even bring the boy to the fold. ttalking about aurengzeb or even other muslim rulers the main objective was to spread the religion. the muslim are never ready to except this fact.only sufiusm was a peaceful sect in muslim community and they are much hated by the mainstream muslims.
RE:Aurangzeb is a peace lover...
by on Feb 16, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
Questions to you Sarfaraz
1)Who killed Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur and Why? 2)Who Bombed Grand mask of Karbala in Iraq, killing scores of people? 3)Why bombings are carried out in areas were majority community were Shias in Bagdad 4)Why killings after Friday prayers in Karachi? 5)Why War between two muslim countries Iran and Iraq? 6)Why Shariat in JK after so many years? 7)Why did Pandits run away from JK? 8)Why rape in Darfur rawanda?
All points to one thing, Even though Prophet never appointed any custodian of Islam except Quran, Why these killing take place. That too between same pleople who perform Hajj together?
We can try set our own house in order. Muslims are sterotyped my media and clerics. We can not ask questions?? Even if they help us to introspect and correct. If muslims do that, then you are anti Islam. Are we trying to say that Aurangzeb's does not exists? Are they true Muslims? Like any other religons so called followers can make mistakes... If mistake is done, we need to accept , reconcile and move forward. This is shown many times by Prophet him self.
