Hi Every one, I think Mr. Franco Gautier got what he wanted because, thats what these guys always wanted "Let the blood run between hindus and muslims" specially post independence. Any ways thanks for raking up the issue. I have a case in point here, Aurangzep is whatever he is but that does not mean he is a profit, because he is not, the way he interprated Islam by destroying temple, holding people to swords while converting them is DEFINITELY NOT ISLAM.Hence what he did was definitely shameful, the problem in the world, or for that matter in our country is Aurangzeb and his misinterpretation of faith.It exists not peacefully but violantly amongst hindus and muslims, sikhs and christians. Islam is a religion like any other religion, muslims respect is like followers of any other religion. If someone follows hinduism, or any other religion, we respect the person's faith and point of view, however the crater erupts when people want followers of a different faith to not only respect their religion, but make in sensitive remarks about his own. I think the the that way the philosophy of Aurangzeb and his genre of Islam (Which is the incorrect one)gains ascendancy, like evry religion Islam also teaches to live in a civilized manner, but we should understand and acknowledge the fact that our prophet is Mohammad (PBUH) and not Aurangzeb, Osama Bin Laden, or for that matter even Saddam. Muslims who consider them that should know, they are not correct at all. The fact is in todays world muslims are seriously lacking direction in understanding who should be their heroes the likes of Aurangzeb, Osama Bin Laden, or Saddam - or the prophet himself, because he never taught this genre of Islam. However I donot blame any one neither hindus or christians for their interpretation of Islam,because it is the followers of Islam who misinterprated it and maligned it, what an irony.However Mr. Franco Gautier, I will not allow you to burn the bridges between hindus and muslims, christians and sikhs as this world (and specially our country) has invested a lot of blood while building this bridgeyou have no business to burn it, we are not here to pass on the legacy of Aurangzeb, Osama, Saddam, Bush or Franco to our children - we will give them a more secure world even if that means we have to water it with our own blood regards Ahmad Mehdi
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by Bharat on Feb 16, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
Hi Ahmed, Ur points are true to some extent.but, as per the history and recent incidents we can conclude that ISLAM is not peace loving and they always try to kill persons of other religion. I will give 1 simple Example . where there is majority of hindus live with minority muslims there is no problem at all and all were leaving in peace (until and unless muslims will intiate the problem, eg: Godhra). But, where there is majority of muslims and hindus are minority, there is a problem exist always. (J&K, kerala, mangalore etc ). In these places there is planned attacks were happening to eliminate hindus.
Overall where there is majority of Muslim population exist, problem is exist always..
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by Bharath Patriot on Feb 16, 2007 08:25 PM Permalink
Islam has spread right from the start, through this tactic of exerting pressure on minorities. Islam unlike democracy cannot accomodate minorities. Islam cannot 'TOLERATE' anybody against it. Thats why mostly predorminant muslim countries are renamed 'ISLAMIC REPUBLIC' of whatever. Our neighbour Pakistan is a good example. This is done to convey that the majority are everybody.
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by Nadeem Reshi on Feb 16, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
You are not right my friend. I am proud to say that many Hindus still live in Kashmir. And we still live and interact with each other as we used to do before many hindus left kashmir. So please dont post something that is not accurate. Thanks
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by on Feb 16, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Hi Ahmed, I really liked your point and to a great extend share your views. There have been srious attempts of distorting religious sayings which are due to political, economic and other intentions of some followers. This is not only in India but is seen across the seven continents. There is one Aurangazeb was recorded in history and probably it is right. But what about many others who might have done even worse on Hindus or Muslims. But I would urge our fellow countrymen to understand history in the right sprit, taking into account what kind of future we need to give our next generation. I want my kids to peacefully study with kids from other religion, I want them to live peacefully in a socially harmonious society and for the sake of it we all need to understand that we must work together for a better tomorrow. Lets intepret good things from religion, lets intepret it for the betterment of human kind, lets intepret for a better tomorrow. At the same time I do not blame Mr. Franco. I accept his views as his views and I believe the people of India today are much different from that of British India. We are much more selective today in taking views and openions which have political and religious sensitivity. I wish all the best for a better and healty discussion on this topic. Sarin Rasheed
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by Mayur Punekar on Feb 16, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Excellent, i wish all Muslim brothers and Sister follow your views!! -- Mayur
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by sathish patel on Feb 16, 2007 07:38 PM Permalink
CountryMen, Aurangazeb ruled our Beloved Country. And she has suffered in his hands. The article describes the facts. Just comment and approve whether Aurangazeb was right in his acts, even if was the Emperor. Thats all. Don't divert the discussions if you are not able to approve him.
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by sniping... on Feb 16, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
hey moron, our "beloved countrymen" were also fighting each other that time. stop fantasising about history.
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by Nikhil P on Feb 16, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
noone will burn the bridges after reading his column except some angry violant mulims. Franco is not in the same category as Osam, saddam, etc. He is one of few true hinstorians we have. All of our marxist historians belong in the same list as saddam, osama,etc.
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by DYS DYS on Feb 16, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
Nehru was surely an evil. His great deeds include capturing money from the coffer of Azad Hind Fouz, Extra-marital affair with Lady Mounbatten, Distortion of history, manipulating a guy MK Gandhi, a great deal of contribution in Partition of India, stupid adminsitrative policy et al - where does the list come to an end? Marxists are a joke anyway - they all tend to commit 'historic blunders', they are kind of substandard people anyway... - Please refer the book - "The Last Days of the British Raj" - quite interesting!!!
This message is given to me by Mr. gautier he told me that i have raid all the messages from you people. i will answer accordingly ok. now go and sleep.
Lets not give importance to this freak....and his articles
To some of the muslims commenting that Islam is an excelusive religion..please read on..
"Say ye: 'We believe in God and the revelation given to us and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between one and another of them, and we bow to God.' " Chapter 2, Verse 136
Let me tell you that according to Quran...God has sent 1,24,000 prophets since the world was created....
Which just makes the point that all religions are sent by God and Islam recognises and respects them all
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by adfasd asdasd on Feb 16, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
and brother i would still like you to go over my comments above and tell me what in it is...that you found so offending...
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by Sam Nath on Feb 17, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
Please find your answer by signing on to www.faithfreedom.org and you will find for yourself the answer if you are really seeking for it
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by adfasd asdasd on Feb 17, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Please do not sign up to any websites, magazines and other mal-publicity magazines.....
Please rely on your own intellect and analyse what goes around you with a more compassionate and neutral view.
Also please read your and other religions and try to find out the positives...
you will find we are 98% common and only 2% different...
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by Nikhil P on Feb 16, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
muslims themselves find it offending so they are killing non-muslims in the name of islam. why don't they follow this themselves instead of showing us such quotes. easy to say than do.
Thank you for sharing your delightful views with 'us' through this article. By 'us'I mean the minority of the Indians within India who access the Net and check rediff.com now and then, and the ones who live abroad. Yes these some of 'us' pride in ourselves for being educated and being able to support ourselves, and possibly have a dream for the future.
You know, we are much better placed than so many others of our Indian brethren who find it difficult to make two square meals a day, find a place to sleep in the nights of monsoon and winter, feel inadequate because they cant feed their children, or those cant fight off that nagging urge to consume pesticide (because the government did not come to the rescue on the farm debts).
I think that am also better off because I can bribe the corrupt clerk better than so many others who have to have a small loan sanctioned, pension released after a lifetime of slogging, to get government declared compensation for the relative who was killed (from one of those numerous train/road accidents in India), or be displaced from my farm lands and my home to accommodate somebody%u2019s business plans. Hmmm, I don't think that I will starve to death, let those who do that like they do in India, do it.
And here I am with a cup of tea from my company's vending machine (aaah....) and I have read your article. Your article is delightful.
Someone once coded that ignorant of history repeat it. If your article is meaning to convey that it makes great sense. Because, characters from history repeat themselves in the to-day in various forms, colors, ethnicities and communities. And I am sure you don't want another such a villain from any community at all. And funnily enough, to counter the ghost you have just raised from hundred of years ago.
Culture is important Mr. Gautier, and I am proud to be an Indian. I don't need a self styled saviour of Indian culture telling me what my culture is. And have another Aurangazeb fantasy come to reality today.
If you have anything better to do, would you have any ideas for those who have not this article yet? They could be any of those numerous examples mentioned at the start of this message?
You are right the fact of aurangzeb must be brought to notice the truth must be revailed to every Indian and to all the muslims whom think aurangzeb was the real savior of the islam
It is nice to have someone clear up history because although it remains in the folklore that Aurangzeb was very cruel, the school textbooks seldom mention his misdeeds. He did not just kill Dara Shikoh, the heir to the throne, but also his two other brothers. The mughal empire had reached its zenith at that time because of the good work of his predecessors: Akbar the Great and Shahjahan. And because of his tyranny and foolishness, the mughal empire declined after him and eventually passed into British hands.
i think enough of blood is wasted on this religion issue and now religion war is not the cup of tea for educated society. This is the time we will have to stop this nonsense of shouting that this muslim king or leader was not good and this hindu leader is good. we can go through history and can better judge that extremists have proven to be the worst people for whole human community so lets stop to be hindus, muslims, christians or of any other religion, lets be human beings first.......
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by execute on Feb 16, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
i think you are taking these people seriously, all are free people don't have past time.
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by Fighter on Feb 16, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
What do you mean by human beings? Is it not our right to protect ourselves. Are Hindus of Kashmir and Bangladesh are not human beings ? why are they refugee in their own country. History is not to ignore, but to learn a lesson for future. We should learn from our mistakes. Because whatever happened in past can happens in future also and you should be prepared for that.
Never forget what happened after partition, 10 lakhs of innocent hindus were massacred by fundamentalist needless to mention Islamist brothers. Why? Have you ever thought of that. Why yesterday's neighbours become blood thirsty enemy within one day after declaration of Direct action by Jinna. Shivani please dont be so ignorant. What ever happened in past can happen in future, We should identify potential growing threat in society and should be alert.
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by manoj kumar on Feb 16, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
yeah you are right , muslim dont object to another , But prefer to just kill( shia- sunni violenec) them like in ( iraq - iran) and many other countries. You got to know invaders are invaders . how good they had they been they will always remain invaders.
