RE:Somebody again reported abuse so i am reposting it
by Ravindra Jayawant on Feb 17, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
When the "Power of Love" will overtake the "Love of Power" the world will experience the peace. We all have to make a sincere effort to help the "Power Of Love" takes over the 'Love of Power"
RE:Somebody again reported abuse so i am reposting it
by hindustani on Feb 17, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
The Things which have not been done since 1000 years do u think it can be done in the next 1000 years.How foolish Mr Marian are u drunk or day dreaming
RE:Message from rediff : To all the people visiting this message board
by Anand K on Feb 17, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Looks like you havent understood a word of what was written... just like we havent understood what you have written.
Very well written and highly relevant to today's needs. I agree that by hiding the past under the rug, one can not create harmony. Let the Truth come out and let the people know the facts and if they still desire peace how can it be lost ?
Come on guys, these type of things divide society. No doubt Aurangzeb did worst rule on India, dont forget how they entered, for some benefit people invited and helped these barbar's (Sorry to say) to enter in India and finaly they were beheaded for some reason. Histroy is History it can't be rewritten.
These type of article Provoke people. I too was provoked while reading this article, but this will ruin us. People like Nehru, Gandhis and so called secularist politicians still harbouring these mentalities in India for their benefit.
I urge all to be united. no idea whether Francois Gautier too is part of those people who wants to divide people and earn.
pleaes do correct your information. you have either half truth or no truth at all... specially about the kashi temple being destroyed. just go behind the scene "why was it destroyed" and you will know that it deserved. even a sane hindu will appreciate it. not telling the history behind the act is the proof of your cunning desire. there is one question arising here. if he was a cruel ruler then how come he left so many other temples alone and destroyed only four. if he was willing to convert forcefully to islam (which is not permitted as i know through muslims quran and their shariyah) then how come still 80% (bjp figure) of the india is still hindu? your story is nothing but 20% truth and 80% your hatred feeling but i am sure you will not be able to misguide mindful people. ony mindless will try to mind you.
RE:correct your information...
by Indian Patriot on Feb 17, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
Deserved being destroyed? What on earth does that mean? Destroyed only four. You seem to have difficulty reading / understanding english. Its four figures you idiot (1000 to 9999) or even five figures (in excess of 10,000) temples that your hero Aurangzeb destroyed. That Indians fear criticising such monsters because it may offend Muslims is absurd. Its mentality like that (also fostered by some leading sons of India like Nehru and Gandhi among others) that resulted in the Partition of India and the sectarian conflicts that we now witness. Giving in to rabid fanatical religious zealots only leads to further division and destruction. When will enlightment ever descend on this dark and oppressed land.
RE:correct your information...
by Sunil Tiwari on Feb 17, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
My dear Golden... Don't try to open closed books. you will be ashamed of yourself.
RE:RE:correct your information...
by Mayroz on Feb 17, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
Dear Sunil Tiwari,
Please correct your information, islam was not formed 1500 centuries before, it is the religion which came into existance since man step his foot on earth. If you really got guts then please open the closed books, we want to know what is there in the closed books, so that we can clear the misconception. before ending i would like to say a phrase mentioned in our Holy book "Quran" "Whosoever kills a human being without (any reason like) man slaughter, or corruption on earth, it is as though he had killed all mankind... (5:32)
Do not kill a soul which Allah has made sacred except through the due process of law (6:151)
RE:RE:RE:correct your information...
by vaun souza on Feb 17, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
mayroz, if islam as u say is a religion which came into existence when man set foot on this earth,then what year is 2007 in your islamic calendar???
RE:RE:RE:correct your information...
by Sonu Madhavan on Feb 17, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
well well Islam was there since man step his foot on earth what a rubissh all know when it come into existence that is the problem with you people you dont dare to take the truth that why you are still there where you are
Secondly you said that not to kill except the due process of law but i heard that you are permitted to fight and kill the non-believer which you call Kavhir didn't i am right
RE:correct your information...
by prashant sharma on Feb 17, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
You are crazy. Do you know that most probably one of your ancestors was beaten with kodas and a sword was perhaps put on his neck and then he must have embraced islam!!! and look how fanatic you have become!
RE:correct your information...
by aravinda bhat on Feb 17, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
"Golden" words said here is,"convert forcefully to islam (which is not permitted as i know through muslims quran and their shariyah)"
What a foolish sentence.Quran clearly says onething: All those who doesnot follow ISLAM are called KAFFIRS,and all kaffirs should be either converted or killed.So,yor knowledge of "as i know" is FALSE.
Your logic is,If sachin hits 1 century why cant he score in all matches ? Same logic,if the great muslim ruler destryoed 4 temples,why didnt he do all ? Simple answer,he was nto alive for infinite time.If he was alive, he would DEFINETLY do it.
And the last sentence said by you,"ony mindless will try to mind you".If thats the case, Why did you mind what he said and wrote all these things ? Or is it a proof that you are also mindless ? Maybe i am right. Anyway,i didnt mind author's article,i do mind your wrtings,so be careful before saying,i am also mindless.LOL
RE:RE:correct your information...
by prashant sharma on Feb 17, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
EXCELLENT aravinda. this is an excellent arguement. anyway these people do not have the brains to compete with us. ALL THEY CAN DO IS BLOW UP A BUS, OR A TEMPLE WITH BOMBS OR HIGHJACK A PLANE.
RE:correct your information...
by Indian Patriot on Feb 17, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Deserved being destroyed? What on earth does that mean? Destroyed only four. You seem to have difficulty reading / understanding english. Its four figures you idiot (1000 to 9999) or even five figures (in excess of 10,000) temples that your hero Aurangzeb destroyed. That Indians fear criticising such monsters because it may offend Muslims is absurd. Its mentality like that (also fostered by some leading sons of India like Nehru and Gandhi among others) that resulted in the Partition of India and the sectarian conflicts that we now witness. Giving in to rabid fanatical religious zealots only leads to further division and destruction. When will enlightment ever descend on this dark and opressed land.
even lots of humiliation Indian muslims forefathers (Hindu father) faced still , Indian muslim not willing to think to come back to Hindu community... why why ??? One reason is In hindu ther is no equality poor hindu cant do prayers with rich hindu or High class upper caste hindu.. i have seen and read how HINDUs are killing lower caste hondu for goin to ther temple 2 months back story in Orisa.. But u see how high case IMAM will sit together with lower caste muslim in prayer I have been seeing these from last 26 yrs.. its very imaging and Unbeliveable .. A very fair and handsome Imam is sitting with black and lower caste muslim and offering Idd Namaz..How democratic the muslim are.. some time I will also feel to ask our BRAHMIN (RSS) TO ADOPT MUSLIM attitude against Lower caste other wise one day Brahmin will left as hindu in India ..remaining will be christan and muslim...
RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by chandan kini on Feb 17, 2007 11:30 AM Permalink
Dear Sunil,
Why go far with it? Muslims who went to Pakistan from India are even today referred to as muhajirs... they cannot marry muslims who were the locals before independence and looked down upon... so much for equality...
and mind all those who had gone from India had dreamt abt living in pakistan... probably they should name that country napak-istan
RE:RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by Sunil on Feb 17, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
We should not concerned about other faith (Muslim or christian).. first we will see our own stuff.. How the Upper caste people supporting voilence agianst lower caste people thruout India.(that is hidden) sia and suni are fighting openly that is not of our concerned and useful for US). You see how these doctors are telling we wil not allows Lower caste to come and study in IIMS.. what is this ???? Upper caste poepl are rich and haiving lots of reference & Influence they will get easly seat at all institution Think about the LOWER Caste people they dont have money to eat and give donation..
RE:RE:RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by aravinda bhat on Feb 17, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
You fool,look at your original message.YOU SAID THIS "But u see how high case IMAM will sit together with lower caste muslim in prayer I have been seeing these from last 26 yrs"
And now you say. dont talk of other religion ? You are a perfect example of changing stands
RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by Sonu Madhavan on Feb 17, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
Dear Sunil
it seems that you dont have a knowledge of things did you know that in all part of world muslim are fighting among them self Why go far, just look to our neighbour pakistan there you find killing of Shiyas by sunni on every one or two days the Sunni doing prayers in the mosque is killed by Shiyas. for few year backs i heard a news from pakistan in which a 18 year old lower caste girl was raped by the upper cast villager the only crime of the girl was that she was the sister of young man who fall in love with a upper caste mulsim girl and they both run away. the upper caste village panchayt order the father of this girl to bring one girl among his four girl so that the insult caused by their son can be revenaged and if he dont then all of his daughter will be raped you call this equalism and justice great
i am not praiseing the Hindusim there is evil things but we are the one who accept the same and changed ourself this is not the same thing with islam
RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by aravinda bhat on Feb 17, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Hope you know the killings of Sunny's by Shias and vice-versa.So,you say all muslims are treated equal amongst themselves ? Better know TRUTH,before putting on facts.IN every religion,discrimination has occured,but Hinduism is the only religion,which is DARE to accept it,and rest dont even do that.All the time we read false-history,where eevry one said,Hinduism is low,repeatedly.What fun will someone get always criticisign it ? At teh end,WE HINDUS dare to accept the mistakes.Hoep you have this in mind
RE:RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by Observer Observer on Feb 17, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Sunnis and Shias are not castes they are beliefs they are united and the rift is the propaganda of the Hindunazis
RE:RE:RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by aravinda bhat on Feb 17, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
All i asked was one thing...why sunnis and shias kill each other ? And you simply said,they are united.Any prrofs ?NONE
Prrof for what i said: Saddam killed MILLIONS of SUNNIS. In Pakistan,last year there was riot,and many SUNNI and SHAI kileld each other.According to youmis the definition of being united is,killing each other?
And,In hinduism also,Castes are beliefs itself.And basically,Hindusim itself a is a belief based way of living
RE:Islam seems to be True Faith
by prashant sharma on Feb 17, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
I am sure we Hindus will be able to reform ourselves. Now it is lower castes who have all the power, did not mayawati rule UP and put goondas like raja bhaiya in jail?
So my dear Sunil our problems are our problems. Why are you raising them on this forum? And by the way RSS and VHP are doing a lot to correct the caste system evil in the society.
And it is only due to our politicians that this issue is getting blown up. In Cities there is no such thing as Caste! The new caste is money!
RE:RE:Fracois Gautier a Hired Propagandist!!
by Observer Observer on Feb 17, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Are you talking on behalf of Muslims , Mr Prashant Sharma you do the talking , you come up with stories and you want us to defend your propaganda, this is the tactic of the one who is far from truth and indulging in propaganda
Monsieur Gautier, your devtion to truth is truly impressive. What does it matter if this starts another round of arson, political chaos, economic loss,social unrest, and loss of life? I hope that in the inevitable aftermath to this article and the exhibition, you will continue to bask in this hubris. Certainly the BJP will.
RE:Aurangzeb
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE RESISTANCE TO CHANGE Is my reply to this article. I would not have made my comments on this article, had I not seen VANDE MATARAM, if vandemataram describes the MOTHER LAND as NATION IS GOD, or I PRAY LAND, or I BOW BEFORE LAND then I do not sing that rubbish. I do distinguish the diff. between GOD and LAND, though I am ready to sacrifice my life for the protection of my BIRTH LAND but I am not stupid to call the LAND AS GOD, I am firm believer that HUMAN BEING is superior among all creations / creatures, rest all are servants of HUMANBEING. I do not pray, SUN, MOON, EARTH, STAR, FIRE, WATER, LAND, TREE, STONE, GENETALS. If this gets clear, then the article itself nullifies Assuming that my forefather had I forcible conversion, I do not mind, because now at this age I equally distinguish the difference in between ISLAM and other religion, and I got pride to be a MUSLIM, because ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY is my GOD who is free from all SHAPES, I need not have to give shape to my GOD so as to concentrate, if I am doing that I am distorting the image of GOD at my whelms and fancies whom I have not seen. Coming to AURANGZEB When INDIA obtained INDEPENDENCE under its CONSTITUTION it was written that STATUSQUO shall be maintained, that mean if a structure on that day of independence is a TEMPLE, then shall remain as temple, and if a structure is a MOSQUE shall remain so, irrespective of that building%u2019s or land%u2019s history. This clause is mature enough while viewing MASS and dealing with, because how long one can live in the past ??, how for some one can go back, and find the history and authenticity of the history??. Today it%u2019s a mosque yesterday was a temple day before could have been a mosque or a Buddhist temple???. Therefore STRIKING POINT is essential, and was successfully done at the time of INDEPENDENCE OF INDAI, by the people with knowledge, foresight and value based politicians. What all happened in ayodhya has gone endless, and created hatred in two communities. This proposed exhibition will not yield good result, except added hatred. I DO NOT ADVOCATE ALL DOINGS OF AURANGZEB
Coming to JAZIYA the tax, every nation has same practice, in the form of SALES TAX, INCOME TAX, ENTERTAINMENT TAX, and all DIRECT and INDIRECT TAXES. At the era of Aurangzeb MUSLIMS were paying ZAKATH and non Muslims JAZIYA.
Author of this article is praising WOMEN WITH OPEN FACE, WATCH TV, FILMS
MODESTY IS personal choice, its good to be house lady than a Fashion Model Does any religion advocates a lady and a gentleman to act as wife and husband, once they are not, even on screen ???. SOCIENTAL EVILS ARE ROOT CAUSE OF FILMS. Should I prolong saying that how our Indian females are giving off their clothes oflate, is this not the gift of WATCHING TV, and FILMS???.
