RE:truth is TRUTH
by PANIWALA AMIN A on Feb 17, 2007 12:28 PM Permalink
Very good information of website. Intelligent and thinkers will be interested to read them and I am sure they will use their brins - to challenge some of the facts and in clonlusion they will reach the TRUTH Inshaallah.
This writeup by a French is just going to add fuel to fire. Some days back I read in a leading English newspaper about Aurangzeb by a renowned Historian, a Hindu(I dont remeber his name) of Hyderabad who has said that ..Here are the following brief about the poits #1. Aurangzeb give various Jaagirs(thorugh Shahi Farmaan) as said by him to build temples. he had met some priests at temples and they have showed him that Farmaan written in Persian. #2. Regarding Somnath temple ..Once a brigade of Aurangzeb was passing from Varansi. There were various Hindu Maharaza's and their wifes accompanying them. They camped at Banaras to have some rest. The wives went to Somnath temple. One of the wives of a Maharaja didnt returned. A search team was sent and they found a underground basement where the lost lady was found weeping, her clothes torn, and all ornaments lost. She was raped by Pujaari of the temple. When AUrnagzeb heared this he ordered to destry the temple as it had got A-pawitra by this act. He also ordered his army to found the pujaari and hang him.
This was the Article which was written in newspaper. I do agree that Aurangzeb was a cruel ruler but what media is presenting is just a cruel side of the life of Aurangzeb.
The other side is never shown as the history has so much manipulated by some vested intersts that the coming generation will only remember Aurangzeb has a cruel feelings toward Hindus.
And this will create more divide between Hindus and Muslims. This writeup is once again in the direction to create a wide gap between Hindu and Muslim communities and all is done by some vested interests.
RE:Just A propaganda
by anand yni on Feb 17, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
For your kind information, Varanasi is in Uttar Pradesh and Somnath Temple is in Gujarat. They did not have chartered jet planes those days to go to any place at will! So much for the authenticity of your story!! BTW please make use of the spell check before you finally post your message.
i just don't understand this! who the hell authorized him to pull dow temples...rama? krishna? shiva? why didn't he pull down mosques as well? by the way..he was no hero of islam. his bigotry ultimately caused the downfall of the mughal empire thereby ending the supreacy of political islam in india. i think muslims should curse him the most.
RE:Just A propaganda
by PANIWALA AMIN A on Feb 17, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
We are yet to recover, from the deviding tendacies of British - Forcing 'Pakistan' as a Separate Country, on Indian subcontinent. Now this genlemen is inciting not only Hidnus against the muslims, but Sunni Muslims against the other Muslim - Read the para 'Finally, Aurangzeb is very relevant today because he thought that Sunni Islam was the purest form of his religion and he sought to impose it with ruthless efficiency -- even against those of his own faith, such as his brother'. Let us wish, we don't fall pray to this propagand -a part of vested interest, and don't get mislead and continue to make India Global power very soon
RE:Just A propaganda
by jagdish agarwal on Feb 17, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
ok the mandir became apavitra so it had to be destroyed. how come then a mssjid be built on such apavitra soil. or what is apavitra for hindu is pavitra for islam
RE:RE:Just A propaganda
by Observer Observer on Feb 17, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Taj Mahal was Hindu temple and what about the Eiffel tower and Pyramids and the great wall of China , Hindunazis indulging in such propaganda are making themselves look like fools , rest assured Muslims will never even think its good to build a mosque on top of a temple , becuase temple is considered to be against the teaching of monetheisim of one god in Islam,and in way would a sane muslims would like to pray at such a place, but this myth only finds place in the brainwashing literature of the Hindunazi and Hindu terrorist organizations like RSS VHP and Bajrang Dal.
RE:Just A propaganda
by samir s on Feb 17, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
My dear Muslim friend, if you read the article properly, the writer has clearly mentioned that a lot of Hindu people have chosen to ignore the misdeeds of Aurangzeb. This Marxist line-of-thought have given rise to such myths, as mentioned by you, justifying the horror spread by the tyrant. Even followers of Hitler or Saddam would have good things to say about him, but it may be apart from the facts. Please learn to accept that maybe even your ancenstors may have faced the wrath of Aurangzeb and would have been forced to convert to Islam from Hinduism. Preferably we should open the eyes to the truth.
Accept the fact that there is a divide ideological divide between hindus & muslims. i've too studies history & can claim your above citation as a piece of "bad history" written by a left leaning pseudo-secular historian. the fact that aurangzeb was cruel cannot be denied. comaring with hitler, he too would have done some good in his life. but does this mean that he was good in anyway - no. auranzeb should be remembered as a crulest despot in india's shameful history during the mughal era. no need to talk about fictitious facts about aurangzebs so called good deeds.
RE:Just A propaganda
by adam ghanchi on Feb 17, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
The original History books of the world destroyed or stallen by tyrant Britishers, so one should remeber that every piece of the history of person or ruler or region is NOT ture.
Every body is aware of results of Cruzades under the Church's influence and its corruption and cruelties executed. Yo sould learn that these cuelties were not result of Chriatinity, byt it was misfortunation - that at that time leadership was in wrong hands. I am pointing out the above fact because I feel the style of article, creats the impression that islam is a bad religion and now Hindus should carry out Cruzades. As Aurangzeb is no more - no use of discussing, except quote him as a person who didn't understand his own religion - may be you are open to compare him with Bin Laden and such other person. You should show maturity - by acknowledging the better part also and therefore as a guidance to today's politicians - you should show his virtue of hard work for his sustainance.(It is historical fact that he used to earn his lievelyhood by doing petty work and didn't spend away public money for his comforts. After 50 years of Independance of secular country, no body has right to incite cruzades - if he has national pride & respect to constitution of India.
RE:RE:Learn from the truths of Cruzades.
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE RESISTANCE TO CHANGE Is my reply to this article. I would not have made my comments on this article, had I not seen VANDE MATARAM, if vandemataram describes the MOTHER LAND as NATION IS GOD, or I PRAY LAND, or I BOW BEFORE LAND then I do not sing that rubbish. I do distinguish the diff. between GOD and LAND, though I am ready to sacrifice my life for the protection of my BIRTH LAND but I am not stupid to call the LAND AS GOD, I am firm believer that HUMAN BEING is superior among all creations / creatures, rest all are servants of HUMANBEING. I do not pray, SUN, MOON, EARTH, STAR, FIRE, WATER, LAND, TREE, STONE, GENETALS. If this gets clear, then the article itself nullifies Assuming that my forefather had I forcible conversion, I do not mind, because now at this age I equally distinguish the difference in between ISLAM and other religion, and I got pride to be a MUSLIM, because ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY is my GOD who is free from all SHAPES, I need not have to give shape to my GOD so as to concentrate, if I am doing that I am distorting the image of GOD at my whelms and fancies whom I have not seen. Coming to AURANGZEB When INDIA obtained INDEPENDENCE under its CONSTITUTION it was written that STATUSQUO shall be maintained, that mean if a structure on that day of independence is a TEMPLE, then shall remain as temple, and if a structure is a MOSQUE shall remain so, irrespective of that building%u2019s or land%u2019s history. This clause is mature enough while viewing MASS and dealing with, because how long one can live in the past ??, how for some one can go back, and find the history and authenticity of the history??. Today it%u2019s a mosque yesterday was a temple day before could have been a mosque or a Buddhist temple???. Therefore STRIKING POINT is essential, and was successfully done at the time of INDEPENDENCE OF INDAI, by the people with knowledge, foresight and value based politicians. What all happened in ayodhya has gone endless, and created hatred in two communities. This proposed exhibition will not yield good result, except added hatred. I DO NOT ADVOCATE ALL DOINGS OF AURANGZEB
Coming to JAZIYA the tax, every nation has same practice, in the form of SALES TAX, INCOME TAX, ENTERTAINMENT TAX, and all DIRECT and INDIRECT TAXES. At the era of Aurangzeb MUSLIMS were paying ZAKATH and non Muslims JAZIYA.
Author of this article is praising WOMEN WITH OPEN FACE, WATCH TV, FILMS
MODESTY IS personal choice, its good to be house lady than a Fashion Model Does any religion advocates a lady and a gentleman to act as wife and husband, once they are not, even on screen ???. SOCIENTAL EVILS ARE ROOT CAUSE OF FILMS. Should I prolong saying that how our Indian females are giving off their clothes oflate, is this not the gift of WATCHING TV, and FILMS???.
RE:RE:RE:Learn from the truths of Cruzades.
by on Feb 17, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
So U rejoice in praying nothing!What about Talaq-is it not for legalised prostitution-in fact after Iran ar Khomeni advocated males to marry and divorce every week so that all females in Iran can Have sex.Islam partly spread because it is the only religion which officially advocatetes and accepts poygomy.so they exploit the weekness of males in sex to propagate their religion!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Learn from the truths of Cruzades.
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
completely out of topic. seems u have very little knowledge abt. islam.
I appreciate the intention of MR.Francois.It may be true that people should know about the past to shape the future.But I feel it is applicable to those countries where the people are educated and have different perceptions and different mental makeup.Here in India the people are highly volatile and they act first and reason later.So how far this article brings out the needed thinking or changes,I have my doubts.Anyway well done.
RE:THE TRUTH ABOUT AURANGAJEB
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE RESISTANCE TO CHANGE Is my reply to this article. I would not have made my comments on this article, had I not seen VANDE MATARAM, if vandemataram describes the MOTHER LAND as NATION IS GOD, or I PRAY LAND, or I BOW BEFORE LAND then I do not sing that rubbish. I do distinguish the diff. between GOD and LAND, though I am ready to sacrifice my life for the protection of my BIRTH LAND but I am not stupid to call the LAND AS GOD, I am firm believer that HUMAN BEING is superior among all creations / creatures, rest all are servants of HUMANBEING. I do not pray, SUN, MOON, EARTH, STAR, FIRE, WATER, LAND, TREE, STONE, GENETALS. If this gets clear, then the article itself nullifies Assuming that my forefather had I forcible conversion, I do not mind, because now at this age I equally distinguish the difference in between ISLAM and other religion, and I got pride to be a MUSLIM, because ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY is my GOD who is free from all SHAPES, I need not have to give shape to my GOD so as to concentrate, if I am doing that I am distorting the image of GOD at my whelms and fancies whom I have not seen. Coming to AURANGZEB When INDIA obtained INDEPENDENCE under its CONSTITUTION it was written that STATUSQUO shall be maintained, that mean if a structure on that day of independence is a TEMPLE, then shall remain as temple, and if a structure is a MOSQUE shall remain so, irrespective of that building%u2019s or land%u2019s history. This clause is mature enough while viewing MASS and dealing with, because how long one can live in the past ??, how for some one can go back, and find the history and authenticity of the history??. Today it%u2019s a mosque yesterday was a temple day before could have been a mosque or a Buddhist temple???. Therefore STRIKING POINT is essential, and was successfully done at the time of INDEPENDENCE OF INDAI, by the people with knowledge, foresight and value based politicians. What all happened in ayodhya has gone endless, and created hatred in two communities. This proposed exhibition will not yield good result, except added hatred. I DO NOT ADVOCATE ALL DOINGS OF AURANGZEB
Coming to JAZIYA the tax, every nation has same practice, in the form of SALES TAX, INCOME TAX, ENTERTAINMENT TAX, and all DIRECT and INDIRECT TAXES. At the era of Aurangzeb MUSLIMS were paying ZAKATH and non Muslims JAZIYA.
Author of this article is praising WOMEN WITH OPEN FACE, WATCH TV, FILMS
MODESTY IS personal choice, its good to be house lady than a Fashion Model Does any religion advocates a lady and a gentleman to act as wife and husband, once they are not, even on screen ???. SOCIENTAL EVILS ARE ROOT CAUSE OF FILMS. Should I prolong saying that how our Indian females are giving off their clothes oflate, is this not the gift of WATCHING TV, and FILMS???.
RE:THE TRUTH ABOUT AURANGAJEB
by PANIWALA AMIN A on Feb 17, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
Before you appreciate intentions of such persons and support them in their cuzades - please read the history of Russia (concetrating for period of 10 years before its breakdown in separate states), if you are not aware of partion of India - due to appreciation to Zinah by some misguided leaders.
RE:Message from rediff : To all the people visiting this message board
by prashant sharma on Feb 17, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
Mairan you are the greatest man! I was trying alone to battle these fanatics. thank god that you are here.
but are you shcoked at some of the spineless hindu men here? they are already pissing in their pants...
RE:Message from rediff : To all the people visiting this message board
by aravinda bhat on Feb 17, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
one of the finest observation
