Doing nothing is better than doing it half. Aurangzeb or for that reason any ruler would have killed them all so that such day does not exist. Hitler left some jews and they are ruling and spreading destructions in the whole world.
I do really appreciate what Francois Gautier has written ...this is time when every one in india should know abt their history.....india has vaer great history which is not been truely reflected in our history books.....indain has much more ancient civilisation and greater things to be talked about...we should know what we have lost in history and children in particular should know correct history....this is not between muslim and hindu this for every one in india.....dear muslim brothers ....learn abt ur country...ur lucky to be here.....
RE:good article
by nadeem ahmed on Feb 17, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
mr kumar no muslims in india would call u their brother cause ur mind and heart is agaist them so pls stop teaching muslims wht they have 2 know abt their country which thier 4fathers ruled and contributed to the peaceful coexsistent of all faith. We have a history of loyalty 2wards our mother land and we know it. It is people like u who must read correct history and voice ur opinion. Muslims ruled for more than 500 yrs. If they wanted no other faith would have survived under them. THINK..
RE:good article
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE RESISTANCE TO CHANGE Is my reply to this article. I would not have made my comments on this article, had I not seen VANDE MATARAM, if vandemataram describes the MOTHER LAND as NATION IS GOD, or I PRAY LAND, or I BOW BEFORE LAND then I do not sing that rubbish. I do distinguish the diff. between GOD and LAND, though I am ready to sacrifice my life for the protection of my BIRTH LAND but I am not stupid to call the LAND AS GOD, I am firm believer that HUMAN BEING is superior among all creations / creatures, rest all are servants of HUMANBEING. I do not pray, SUN, MOON, EARTH, STAR, FIRE, WATER, LAND, TREE, STONE, GENETALS. If this gets clear, then the article itself nullifies Assuming that my forefather had I forcible conversion, I do not mind, because now at this age I equally distinguish the difference in between ISLAM and other religion, and I got pride to be a MUSLIM, because ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY is my GOD who is free from all SHAPES, I need not have to give shape to my GOD so as to concentrate, if I am doing that I am distorting the image of GOD at my whelms and fancies whom I have not seen. Coming to AURANGZEB When INDIA obtained INDEPENDENCE under its CONSTITUTION it was written that STATUSQUO shall be maintained, that mean if a structure on that day of independence is a TEMPLE, then shall remain as temple, and if a structure is a MOSQUE shall remain so, irrespective of that building%u2019s or land%u2019s history. This clause is mature enough while viewing MASS and dealing with, because how long one can live in the past ??, how for some one can go back, and find the history and authenticity of the history??. Today it%u2019s a mosque yesterday was a temple day before could have been a mosque or a Buddhist temple???. Therefore STRIKING POINT is essential, and was successfully done at the time of INDEPENDENCE OF INDAI, by the people with knowledge, foresight and value based politicians. What all happened in ayodhya has gone endless, and created hatred in two communities. This proposed exhibition will not yield good result, except added hatred. I DO NOT ADVOCATE ALL DOINGS OF AURANGZEB
Coming to JAZIYA the tax, every nation has same practice, in the form of SALES TAX, INCOME TAX, ENTERTAINMENT TAX, and all DIRECT and INDIRECT TAXES. At the era of Aurangzeb MUSLIMS were paying ZAKATH and non Muslims JAZIYA.
Author of this article is praising WOMEN WITH OPEN FACE, WATCH TV, FILMS
MODESTY IS personal choice, its good to be house lady than a Fashion Model Does any religion advocates a lady and a gentleman to act as wife and husband, once they are not, even on screen ???. SOCIENTAL EVILS ARE ROOT CAUSE OF FILMS. Should I prolong saying that how our Indian females are giving off their clothes oflate, is this not the gift of WATCHING TV, and FILMS???.
RE:Logicality and ethicality of world religions
by Firoz Ansari on Feb 17, 2007 01:24 PM Permalink
My dear friend, I am muslim and proud to be.
What you said is 100% correct.. Correct because you don't know any thing about islam%u2026so don't you think without know anything it is wrong to accuse some other religion.
Dear friend%u2026Islam is the only perfect religion on the face of the world, to know about the fact, I will advice you to read English translated Quran.
Now I will something about Islamic people though I don't support them.
NO 1 SADDAM HUSSEIN, he was called terrorist, No he was not a trorrorist. We made him, do you know when saddam attack curd people who helped them, dear read history%u2026.It was the Great US.
2 OSSAMA----who created ossama, (I really petty on you regarding your mentality_%u2026%u2026it was the great US and broke USSR into pecies%u2026.when ossama was fighting with Russia the whole thing was legal and good. Come on yar don't be double standard.
Now regarding Arunzeb you have criticize the whole islam. If certain people make evil deed do you blame the religion? Then in this case I will blame your religion (if you r hindu, remember hindu is not a name of religion, when sikandar came to India or you can say attack India as per your mentality he happened to come across Indus river, he could not pronounce the river Indus and thus he happened to call indua as hindus%u2026.if your are hindu are should be better called vedantic as per your scholar%u2026) because in kurchestra (you can refer to Mahabharata) twenty million people were killed. There are lots of example%u2026.
If your are cristan refer to the crusade and the biggest example is hitlar who killed more than one million people, so do we blame cristan, now the same thing to Bush%u2026%u2026do you know how many muslims are killed daily, read the history and the dear blame some other religion.
If your eye today islam is wrong%u2026%u2026.tomorrow if some other religion will fight for their right, you will blame them%u2026..please for god shake change your mentality%u2026.
RE:Logicality and ethicality of world religions
by mohammed uddin on Feb 17, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE RESISTANCE TO CHANGE Is my reply to this article. I would not have made my comments on this article, had I not seen VANDE MATARAM, if vandemataram describes the MOTHER LAND as NATION IS GOD, or I PRAY LAND, or I BOW BEFORE LAND then I do not sing that rubbish. I do distinguish the diff. between GOD and LAND, though I am ready to sacrifice my life for the protection of my BIRTH LAND but I am not stupid to call the LAND AS GOD, I am firm believer that HUMAN BEING is superior among all creations / creatures, rest all are servants of HUMANBEING. I do not pray, SUN, MOON, EARTH, STAR, FIRE, WATER, LAND, TREE, STONE, GENETALS. If this gets clear, then the article itself nullifies Assuming that my forefather had I forcible conversion, I do not mind, because now at this age I equally distinguish the difference in between ISLAM and other religion, and I got pride to be a MUSLIM, because ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY is my GOD who is free from all SHAPES, I need not have to give shape to my GOD so as to concentrate, if I am doing that I am distorting the image of GOD at my whelms and fancies whom I have not seen. Coming to AURANGZEB When INDIA obtained INDEPENDENCE under its CONSTITUTION it was written that STATUSQUO shall be maintained, that mean if a structure on that day of independence is a TEMPLE, then shall remain as temple, and if a structure is a MOSQUE shall remain so, irrespective of that building%u2019s or land%u2019s history. This clause is mature enough while viewing MASS and dealing with, because how long one can live in the past ??, how for some one can go back, and find the history and authenticity of the history??. Today it%u2019s a mosque yesterday was a temple day before could have been a mosque or a Buddhist temple???. Therefore STRIKING POINT is essential, and was successfully done at the time of INDEPENDENCE OF INDAI, by the people with knowledge, foresight and value based politicians. What all happened in ayodhya has gone endless, and created hatred in two communities. This proposed exhibition will not yield good result, except added hatred. I DO NOT ADVOCATE ALL DOINGS OF AURANGZEB
Coming to JAZIYA the tax, every nation has same practice, in the form of SALES TAX, INCOME TAX, ENTERTAINMENT TAX, and all DIRECT and INDIRECT TAXES. At the era of Aurangzeb MUSLIMS were paying ZAKATH and non Muslims JAZIYA.
Author of this article is praising WOMEN WITH OPEN FACE, WATCH TV, FILMS
MODESTY IS personal choice, its good to be house lady than a Fashion Model Does any religion advocates a lady and a gentleman to act as wife and husband, once they are not, even on screen ???. SOCIENTAL EVILS ARE ROOT CAUSE OF FILMS. Should I prolong saying that how our Indian females are giving off their clothes oflate, is this not the gift of WATCHING TV, and FILMS???.
RE:thanks george w bush
by Zubair on Feb 17, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Good reply....Jairaj. You have rightly put forward your opinion. Aurangzeb cant occupy the delhi throne without the help of JAI Singh (rajput), defected Dara shikoh....Now what you are going to say? Neither you nor myself is a king & we dont know th ereality of it. There fore dont blame any body & watch out ur words. Not every illogical things have logical answers.
RE:RE:thanks george w bush
by nadeem ahmed on Feb 17, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
ur mind is so vurneable my frnd that a few lines written against islam by irresponsible demented person you reacted in such an immetured manner. Read Islam and its teaching if u want to voice ur opinion. I challenge u will regret ur opinion . Peace be on u
RE:RE:thanks george w bush
by nadeem ahmed on Feb 17, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
ur mind is so vurneable my frnd that a few lines written against islam by irresponsible demented person you reacted in such an immetured manner. Read Islam and its teaching if u want to voice ur opinion. I challenge u will regret ur opinion . Peace be on u
Well my fellow muslim brothers you may debate anything about your noble jihadi aurangzeb and produce hundreds of dubious historical facts supporting him . but it is only a person following your religion can ever claim any iota of nobility in a man who has definitely killed his father and scholar brother and equally scholar and noble nephew. whereas any other religion will denounce such a character without asking any further evidence whereas my brothers here show loyalty to their peace loving faith by praising this barbarian as a true believer. I agree with them aurangzeb ,osama etc are indeed true musalman.if they are not then who is.
RE:barbarism unlimited
by bharatiya on Feb 17, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
hi,
we all tend to be in a denial mode whenever the dark sides of our religions are pointed out. muslims win the denial contest hands down. they simply refuse to introspect. hinduism & other indian religions as well as christianity have undergone a lot of reforms (remember untouchability & the earth being flat?)but its very visible in this debate that muslims just refuse to look inside.
Even if we assume that the author is biased, let us examine history. The original inhabitants of India were tribals and the Dravidians of the Indus Valley civilisation. The Aryans (including my ancestors) entered invaded India and destroyed the civilisations existing at that time instead of peacefully co-existing with them. This included destruction of the religion of the original Indians. These Aryans were punished for their intolerance by God using instruments like Aurangazeb and other rulers, by having their own temples destroyed. If Aurangazeb was wrong, our Aryan ancestors were also wrong. Is this not natural justice? P.B.Mohan
RE:Is it natural justice?
by vinod bhakuni on Feb 17, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Great mohan. Unfortunately we most of Indians enjoy digging others. No one want to see their own history.Sohail
RE:Is it natural justice?
by Saurav Basu on Feb 17, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
One can only pity your dreadful ignorance.....The AIT is a dead theory......And neither were the inhabitants of the IVS dravidians....
Genetic evidence has conclusively proved that no large scale migration of central asians took place into India....South Asia constitutes a distinct singular race; yeah the tamil and the punjabi Hindu are of one race [except in N.E where there has been a tibetan influx] Sahoo S et al., Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA 2006, Volume 103, pp 843-848. "...The Y-chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin for Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo-Aryan language family... It is not necessary...to look beyond South Asia for the origins of the paternal heritage of the majority of Indians at the time of the onset of settled agriculture. The perennial concept of people, language, and agriculture arriving to India together through the northwest corridor does not hold up to close scrutiny..."
Jonathan Mark Kenoyer, the eminent archaeologist found no evidence whatsoever to uphold the AIT...[www.harappa.com] B B Lal, india's foremost archaeologist debunks the myth of the AIT http://www.geocities.com/ifihhome/articles/bbl002.html
And yet you choose to pour your ignorance in this thread......
First of all thank you for this work. Indian in India are afraid of talking against Muslim ruthlessness and cruelty. We the idiots of India have talked of peace and non-violence and enemies have always cut our heads. Always. Aurangzeb is just one of them. Ghauri is an example of cruelty and back-stabbing. He was left alive four time by Rana Pratap. But later on he killed Rana Pratap. At the end, we need to understand that Braves survive on this earth. Fittest are the survivals. Indian history has been moulded, modified, manipulated at so many places so that so called minorities are not hurt. We learn history twice. Once when we are in school -the wrong history. And second time when we read the works of people like you. Thanks for calling spade a spade. I believe, you should be rewarded.
RE:Thanks for Exposing Aurangzeb
by arvind singh on Feb 17, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
Hi, i think i should reply this because the person who posted this comment seems to be following Aurengzeb himself. it is true that aurengzeb was a moster, but nobody like him. no body likes to be like him. we should think that he also thought himself to be brave like mr harish thinks. braveey is not "tit for tat". bravery is accepting the truth and follwing the correct path. the whole history of world is like that. even so many Hindu raja were also like that. we shouold think that we are living in a more tolerant, more open, democratic society now a days.
