From Hiroshima till Iraq war, why America is not given certificate of terrorist country? If UNO can not have control on US or Britain, why UNO is then made for? Is UNO is made to stop other nations to become as powerful as America or other western countries.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 17, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
nayan chopra, what is your concern with American "Terrorism"? Shamim Ali has a job to do. He belongs to a Muslim brotherhood and Iraq/Afghanistan is being attacked which are Islamic bastions. Why are some Hindus so confused? Muslims use you guys for their slimy purpose. Be rational and practical dude. It's Geo-politics and India has many things relating to USA than Muslim nations. You want to love Taliban which most Muslims benignly support? Ask any of these Muslims when are they going to reform their religion instead of "m agree wit u 100%......". Don't be foolish. Be a tough guy.
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by abdul shakib on Feb 17, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
Mr.Chopra plz polish ur English coz there is nothin like slimy purpose. slimy is basically used to describe sticky substance or character associated with it. Just like u have a slimy character of hating Muslims. Jus wana tell u , V CUT OIL n UR VEHICLES R JUS A PIECE OF S**T.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 17, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
I don't get my head buried in sand and reply to silly replies usually likes yours. But a quick point. Once the World is done with Crude, Islam will wake up to many realities. Most of you are living on handouts from Arabia. Fundamentalist nuts. Which other nation other than Oil rich places are having some power? you got it dude? None! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
I am not surprised that another article with right wing ideology has been published in Rediff. Guys let past be past, whatever happened in the past is not going to change what is going to happen in future ( unless if we decide to divide us further and try to hate each other more rather than come together as a nation thanks to article such as these!) There are so many issues affecting our country should I list some of them 1. Population explosion 2. AIDS 3. 2/3 that is about 66% of our great country lves under poverty. Whwat can be done to tackle this. 4. Crime - Do you know how many people die everyday due to murder? 5. Corruption - it is prevalent everywhere,
These are just few of the Issues. If I wnat I can go on writing hours and hours on this.
Aurangazeb is in his grave now. You and I cannot know what happened during his regime, because we did not live in his period. Only distorted history books positive or negative can shed some light on what truly happened. But is it of any help now? Lets see what is to happen next. If we let such Anti-communal flames to burn in our hearts then surely we can expect many more Gujarat riots to come!! You and I know the people of the future will see that our present generation was no less worse than any Blood thirsty communal, ignorant people.
Let us all put our energy in driving the country forward, on our way we will find many hurdles trying to stop us. ( by this time we are fully aware what our politicians are fully capable of - if they want to get votes, they can even talk bad of their mothers)
Let us not divide based on religion, let us unite on the fact that we all are INDIANS!!!
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
And the guiness book of world records for Miracles goes to John Fernandes.Please tell the address of that nun, atleast everyone can avoid hospitals ;)
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by shibu hamsa on Feb 17, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb: Bad Ruler or Bad History?
By Dr. Habib Siddiqui Posted: 9 Jamad-ul-awwal 1427, 5 June 2006
Of all the Muslim rulers who ruled vast territories of India from 712 to 1857 CE, probably no one has received as much condemnation from Western and Hindu writers as Aurangzeb. He has been castigated as a religious Muslim who was anti-Hindu, who taxed them, who tried to convert them, who discriminated against them in awarding high administrative positions, and who interfered in their religious matters. This view has been heavily promoted in the government approved textbooks in schools and colleges across post-partition India (i.e., after 1947). These are fabrications against one of the best rulers of India who was pious, scholarly, saintly, un-biased, liberal, magnanimous, tolerant, competent, and far-sighted.
Fortunately, in recent years quite a few Hindu historians have come out in the open disputing those allegations. For example, historian Babu Nagendranath Banerjee rejected the accusation of forced conversion of Hindus by Muslim rulers by stating that if that was their intention then in India today there would not be nearly four times as many Hindus compared to Muslims, despite the fact that Muslims had ruled for nearly a thousand years. Banerjee challenged the Hindu hypothesis that Aurangzeb was anti-Hindu by reasoning that if the latter were truly guilty of such bigotry, how could he appoint a Hindu as his military commander-in-chief? Surely, he could have afforded to appoint a competent Muslim general in that position. Banerjee further stated: "No one should accuse Aurangzeb of being communal minded. In his administration, the state policy was formulated by Hindus. Two Hindus held the highest position in the State Treasury. Some prejudiced Muslims even questioned the merit of his decision to appoint non-Muslims to such high offices. The Emperor refuted that by stating that he had been following the dictates of the Shariah (Islamic Law) which demands appointing right persons in right positions." During Aurangzeb's long reign of fifty years, many Hindus, notably Jaswant Singh, Raja Rajrup, Kabir Singh, Arghanath Singh, Prem Dev Singh, Dilip Roy, and Rasik Lal Crory, held very high administrative positions. Two of the highest ranked generals in Aurangzeb's administration, Jaswant Singh and Jaya Singh, were Hindus. Other notable Hindu generals who commanded a garrison of two to five thousand soldiers were Raja Vim Singh of Udaypur, Indra Singh, Achalaji and Arjuji. One wonders if Aurangzeb was hostile to Hindus, why would he position all these Hindus to high positions of authority, especially in the military, who could have mutinied against him and removed him from his throne?
Most Hindus like Akbar over Aurangzeb for his multi-ethnic court where Hindus were favored. Historian Shri Sharma states that while Emperor Akbar had fourteen Hindu Mansabdars (high officials) in his court, Aurangzeb actually had 148 Hindu high officials in his court. (Ref: Mughal Government) But this fact is somewhat less known.
Some of the Hindu historians have accused Aurangzeb of demolishing Hindu Temples. How factual is this accusation against a man, who has been known to be a saintly man, a strict adherent of Islam? The Qur'an prohibits any Muslim to impose his will on a non-Muslim by stating that "There is no compulsion in religion." (surah al-Baqarah 2:256). The surah al-Kafirun clearly states: "To you is your religion and to me is mine." It would be totally unbecoming of a learned scholar of Islam of his caliber, as Aurangzeb was known to be, to do things that are contrary to the dictates of the Qur'an.
Interestingly, the 1946 edition of the history textbook Etihash Parichaya (Introduction to History) used in Bengal for the 5th and 6th graders states: "If Aurangzeb had the intention of demolishing temples to make way for mosques, there would not have been a single temple standing erect in India. On the contrary, Aurangzeb donated huge estates for use as Temple sites and support thereof in Benares, Kashmir and elsewhere. The official documentations for these land grants are still extant."
A stone inscription in the historic Balaji or Vishnu Temple, located north of Chitrakut Balaghat, still shows that it was commissioned by the Emperor himself. The proof of Aurangzeb's land grant for famous Hindu religious sites in Kasi, Varanasi can easily be verified from the deed records extant at those sites. The same textbook reads: "During the fifty year reign of Aurangzeb, not a single Hindu was forced to embrace Islam. He did not interfere with any Hindu religious activities." (p. 138) Alexander Hamilton, a British historian, toured India towards the end of Aurangzeb's fifty year reign and observed that every one was free to serve and worship God in his own way.
Now let us deal with Aurangzeb's imposition ofthe jizya tax which had drawn severe criticism from many Hindu historians. It is true that jizya was lifted during the reign of Akbar and Jahangir and that Aurangzeb later reinstated this. Before I delve into the subject of Aurangzeb's jizya tax, or taxing the non-Muslims, it is worthwhile to point out that jizya is nothing more than a war tax which was collected only from able-bodied young non-Muslim male citizens living in a Muslim country who did not want to volunteer for the defense of the country. That is, no such tax was collected from non-Muslims who volunteered to defend the country. This tax was not collected from women, and neither from immature males nor from disabled or old male citizens. For payment of such taxes, it became incumbent upon the Muslim government to protect the life, property and wealth of its non-Muslim citizens. If for any reason the government failed to protect its citizens, especially during a war, the taxable amount was returned.
It should be pointed out here that zakat (2.5% of savings) and %u2018ushr (10% of agricultural products) were collected from all Muslims, who owned some wealth (beyond a certain minimum, called nisab). They also paid sadaqah, fitrah, and khums. None of these were collected from any non-Muslim. As a matter of fact, the per capita collection from Muslims was several fold that of non-Muslims. Further to Auranzeb's credit is his abolition of a lot of taxes, although this fact is not usually mentioned. In his book Mughal Administration, Sir Jadunath Sarkar, foremost historian on the Mughal dynasty, mentions that during Aurangzeb's reign in power, nearly sixty-five types of taxes were abolished, which resulted in a yearly revenue loss of fifty million rupees from the state treasury.
While some Hindu historians are retracting the lies, the textbooks and historic accounts in Western countries have yet to admit their error and set the record straight.
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by zaheer ahmed on Feb 17, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
See messages like these makes pakistani people Happy for the reason that they decided to get a separte land before they get kicked in their butt.
Indian muslims lived in india and will always remain in India. There were a relative few who went to Pakistan based on false promises by their politicians ( jinnah & co.)
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by parvez sayyed on Feb 17, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
Assalam alaykum Dr. Habib Siddiqui I am very much impressed by your article thanks for providing correct history to others also and keep on going as this type of articles may bring back the light of truthness. I would like to add some more thinks which I know about Aurangazeb R.A. he never in his life visited or sighted Great "Taj Mahal", And he always paid a disappointing or rather a guilty feelings for the waste of public wealth in buiding of Taj Mahal for only one's interest. He never spoke to his family members while he was on the duty to think on any country issue's, nor he used any lamp burning on the courts fund to see his wife.He used to speak with his wife only in the light of lamp in which was the oil of his own money, which he owned as a part of his salary.Once when he was writing an official letter in the lamp light and his wife entered the room he immidiately pufffed off the lamp, and told his wife that his Islam does not allows him to enjoy his personal interest with others wealth. Finally, he used to make caps,ocasionally with his own hands and used to send one of his appointed person to sell those in the market and the person was given some percentage of sale.Those money he had kept reserved and made will (vasiyat) that after my death these money should be used for all the materials required for my funeral after my death and not to be buried by the public money.One of the cap, hands carved by Aungazeb R.A. is still available on his tomb who ever wants to see can check out in Khuldabad/Dualatabad (Maharashtra). No emperor will have such a dedications towards country.Shame on those who cannot use their heads given by god and thinks that if he forced hindus to convert to muslim then my dear friend Mughals were here for thousand years and if this was the history then we all Indians would have been Muslims, as per simple calculations of years. Parvez Sayyed
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 01:24 AM Permalink
Hindus fought back dude. Marathas once captured most of India from Mughals for more than a hundred years before the Brits invaded. They should have converted back your ancestors which they didn't for some reasons which will come to light some day. Their dynastic rule was weak later after Shivaji and disintegrated soon. Vijayanagara empire in South gave a tough time to the invaders by ruling for 300 years and the empire's main motivation was to protect Hinduism which they did until Brits came in. Muslims could not convert all of India. It's too big for any to fill the job. Hindus are not as playboys as you think. We will give a tough time again. We love our motherland Bharat. This is the only place we love and we will continue to do it.
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by dr munish raizada on Feb 17, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
Hi Faiz! The facts presented in your reference are daimetrically opposite.As it says"These are fabrications against one of the best rulers of India (read Aurengzeb) who was pious, scholarly, saintly, un-biased, liberal, magnanimous, tolerant, competent, and far-sighted." Why are such kind of glorious tributes paid to Moghuls by only Muslim scholars? Why even western media has portrayed Aurenzeb as a villain? I mean what you want to prove? In my opinion, mogul rule was a dark period for India as they were invaders for us. Why love or hate them because of religious affiliations? They were simply foreigners for us and looted and ruled us. Is that a thing of glory? And why many Hindus were converted to Islam in that period: was that by wilful conversion. If that is the case, why we donot see Hindus converting to islam in this era of communication. Why wilful conversions to islam are not taking place in masses now, if that was not forceful!!
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by gopal azad on Feb 17, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
well said.Even forefather of faiz were forcefully converted from hindu
We are once again divided. Thanks for the article... Keep blaming each other for all these bullshit; I don%u2019t know when we will think alike to make this country a Developed nation,
I never knew it so easy to create an issue, that is the reason our Politicians are easily creating new issues,
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by Heidi Motzart on Feb 17, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
Truth must prevail. Truth should not divide, but only exemplify that similar mistakes are not be made in the future. The article is well researched and has a ring of truth to it. Congratulations to the author.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 17, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
Congratulating the author ? For dividing ? Well, then why not we learn history from Day 1 ? Are you ready for the magic!!! Of course not. If the article said. Aurangzeb was a good ruler. You would be despising , saying its A PseudoSecular, Anti-Hindu...Would you accept the reality ? No!!!
The truth is, these articles do divide, Because We havent moved on ! And using the article to despise your next door neighbor - a muslim. How good is that?
Going through the article above one without a partisan view can opion only this much too superficial,presented Hindtva school of tubular vision. Auragzeb was one among the many political personality of Indian history as a relegious figure he comes only later if he is.The issues of power struggle on the last century of Mughal's including Dara Shikoh,on the previous generation of Shajahan all that is purely Political. Islam is a peaceful tolerant relegion.It's call for co-exitance of relegions and civilizations.Never in history Muslims invade any civilizations and colonised them even though they were the leaders of the world,for the thousand years after the Roman-Persian Emperror and before the British emperrors of later.Till now the presence of millions of non-muslims in muslim world eg,Egypt,Syria,Iran etc will tell it clearly. Qur-Aan clearly prohibits forceful conversion and using force as a method of propogation of relegion. Islam is a way of life.It covers the entire phase of human life.It weigh on mercy and passion,freedom and prosperity of human race irrespective of their relegion,colour,creed and race.It calls the people to rise up against the oppressions,suppressions and invasions. British version of written Indian History is totally malicing Indian rulers and applying divide and rule principle in all the possible arenas.Even if you buy it -the mistake of Aurangazeb he could not unite the people of India eventhough he could the geograpgy much before British.That's the price his descedants payed the dynasty went into history.It is pure LESSON from the History that any time of History India is land of diversified cultures relegions and people.Rulers of India who got this plurality only survived long in History.
If the destructions of Temples if it is totally unislamic.Islam strongly asks to protect the others temples and churches and respect their Faith too.It can be of purely political too also that there are enourmous number of temples destroyed in India by war between Hindu Kings in History. In fact Islam and Even Cristianity came to India first time through the Arabian traders etc via the western and eastern coast. British Historians so unfair to Aurangzeb they must be,1600 founded East india Company kept at their low for centuries by these Kings.We should apprciate certain facts too from Aurangzeb life that he had lead commoner's life earned his own bread by sewing toppies and handwriting Qur-Aan.Compare the indian Politicians. He took Stringent actions against the totally demoralised Pallace Paracites of Centuries the So called musicians dancers etc who can say it was bad.Economically India was doing pretty well then,even Manchester was flooding Indian Textiles and Silks.Trade and Commerse was at its highest.Provide the facts it is unbelievable there was that much growth in a coutry if it have that much communalisation in a Hindu majority population.
The article the exhibition is an attempt to rechew the undigested and serve the purpose of hindtva.And clearly once again Showing us that till know we are slaves to west and whatever they left and kept are still so big for us. Shibu.H