I hear muslims on this message board saying lets forget the past and get along well now. Then why am I paying Tax Jaziya today? Why are we paying their religious journey to Mecca every year? Muslim argument is to quote from Quran and say their religion does not say this and that. Why can't some common sense be used to analyze critically?
RE:OK lets forget the past. But why am I paying Jaziya today?
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 04:31 AM Permalink
The Haj itself would be void. if muslims go around begging for the Subsidy.
RE:OK lets forget the past. But why am I paying Jaziya today?
by mohd amul on Feb 18, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
imagine if you book a flight 1 yr in advance. and every year there is a million customer.
You million into 25 thousand is how much you can build an aerodrum with aeroplanes.
goverment is fooling us. who will board air india service.
RE:RE:OK lets forget the past. But why am I paying Jaziya today?
by zia syed on Feb 18, 2007 06:21 AM Permalink
hindus have wrong idea about the haj subsidy, muslims dont get cash to go to hajj. the air india airlines gets discount from the govt. in anycase, the the discount is about 10,000 rupees and the air india overcharges , if there was no discount, there would be no one travelling on air india, cause emirates are lot cheaper. so the whole thing about hajj subsidy is a myth. go to indianmuslims.info for more inf.
If Imam Miya had born in a hindu family he could be saying RAM RAM.and Had our Cyber born in a muslim family he could be saying Allah-O-Akbar....HAHAHAHAHA....
comments from Muslim and Hindu speak bad about other religion as they are not aware of teaching of each others religion.... Read understand and then put your comments....
RE:Hindu-Muslim- Sikh-Cristians
by dp on Feb 18, 2007 03:08 AM Permalink
Exaclty ON,
If they die and next brth they interchange religions they will be doing the same thing...and u know wht AllaH Ram would be having a good time laughing over this.
Muslim and Hindu,cristian and sikhs all are equally fanatic.
Hindus - Killed 1 crore female fetus, 2 lakhs women,killed n numbers of dalits. worship 3lakh 60thousand gods and still in a confused state.
Muslims - Quote Quran and Prophet and follow whatever suits them twist facts and adapt watever suits you. Kill innocents world over where as Quran says the person who kills innocent goes to hell,Hold Quran in one hand and other hand has a AK 47 and hand granade.
Cristians- Attack and kill innocents everywhere where their is oil, why not kill fanatic muslim in Africa....
RE:Stop This
by Laurence Fishburne on Feb 18, 2007 03:38 AM Permalink
Yeah. Religion shud be made illegal. Especially the cultic practices, in which the religious scriptures call for any kind of violence. Law must supersede any and all religions. People can always find other ways towards spirituality, which has nothing to do with religion, anyways.
RE:RE:Stop This
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 03:46 AM Permalink
And why only Hindus should learn it? Why don't others change man? Hindus pray in Mosques and Churches to pacify others..what else you want us to do? forget our peaceful culture? when we try to protect it, you will call us Nazis. Some buggers man. You call the Hindus as Nazis for all they went through. Goebbelian tactics are used against Hindus and their religion for a long time now by the Abrahamic traditions and self-hating Hindus are confused guys who denigrate their own traditions. Which other religion preaches that all paths lead to same god?
RE:RE:Stop This
by Perv Sharma on Mar 03, 2007 06:55 AM Permalink
In India there must be only one law. Every Hindu, Christian , muslim , sikh must follow. It's no big deal like having one wife, paying in case of divorce. Just like in Western countries. muslims live in thousands in these countries but dare not ask for muslim law be implemented because they would be deporated by next flight. Hindus in General have been generous.
RE:Stop This
by Srinivas on Feb 18, 2007 03:44 AM Permalink
Mister on, Its you who has confused and gone to the extent of talking about abortion done by Hindus and you equal it to the other crimes done by others. Killing dalits is a crime done by mad guys, do not attribute it to a religion. Sunnis and Shittes have killed each other. Protestants and Gatholics have killed each other.
RE:RE:Stop This
by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 18, 2007 04:40 AM Permalink
so srinivas by telling that protestants killed catholics and sunnis killed shias or whatever you want to justify hindus killing dalits and you are telling that those are mad guys and why are you forgetting that they are hindus why dont you address them as hindus my dear open up yourself, and dear i will tellyou something we muslims around the world are also saying the same thing why is the media showing only muslim terrorist why are they not showing hindu terrorist and crishtians and jew terrorist my dear the one who is a terrorist has no religion and i am happy that you are doing the right thing
RE:Stop This
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 03:22 AM Permalink
Gandhi hero, why did you forget the murders of Muslims? You mentioned Hindu crimes and mention other crimes with equal vigour. You guys know how to twist "Secularism" and act like self-righteous freaks. Why do you hate your own people so much. Muslims give first priority to their brother hood - Umma. Everything is next for them .So you got to change accordingly to protect the nation and see it doesn't disintegrate. Gandhi tried better than you to appease Muslims by pacifying the Hindus, but the Muslim later cut sides and came across the smart guy. For Most Muslims, Gandhi is just another Hindu. People like you are complete buffoons that India can avoid at this point.
Muslim don't deserve the use of word Hatred for others infact they are themselves having greatest hatredness towards humanity in this world. and it is joke after releaving truth instead of accepting that they are saying its hatred. I read all post the so called secularist and humanist requesting to stop looking at this (obviously out of fear)and have lot of other issues also. but NOT a single one is ready to accept that Aurangajeb was barbaric even they are trying to glorify the person who was foreigner, cruel a true Secular murderer and who only converted these people into islam. what a shame.
this is the problem with Islam. Islam can never accept truth and always wants people to believe wrong things because Islam can not think right. this is what the cause of riots in India and forcing Indians to think that majority of muslims in India does not have mind to think about humanity and can not think beyond terrorism as a fight for freedom. And prople who thinks history is useless, then they are totally wrong. You behave and exists because of history and truth must need to come forward to prevent wrong changes in the world. to be blind against devils will not impove life but to know them and fight against them can bring positive changes in society and one must beready to accept the truth.
Regarding temples, they were not just temples. lots of science is involved with temples. this needs to be realized by normal indian.
RE:Majority of muslim kings were devils
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 03:04 AM Permalink
So you accept Imaan's posts i suppose?
No?? Why not?
You said this is the problem with islam, that it can never accept truth! And since you are not a muslim, and one who accepts truth, would you accept truth posted by Imaan?
U will NOT. FOR SURE.
Coz You hate him, coz you think he is anti-hindu.
So why should I accept the truth that some
lunatic called Francois says?
If you read the posts, nobody supports aurangzeb for his "bad deeds"!
We dont know what history was, unless we go there and see for ourseleves.
Thats why I think the very idea of the article is idiotic.
To create HATRED , what else!
How different are you from Imaan? Have an unbiased?
RE:RE:Majority of muslim kings were devils
by talk cool on Feb 18, 2007 09:30 AM Permalink
"We dont know what history was, unless we go there and see for ourseleves."
This is laughable.
Do u want every History student to get Time Machine?
Or shall we totally abolish History reading.
What u get by reading Technology? U get some food. But learning history tells us who we are. What is this strange earth? and what our ansestors did.
this is more important than reading Koran, Geeta..i feel.
RE:An Indian Muslim
by anand chavan on Feb 18, 2007 02:39 AM Permalink
You were hurt when babri masjid was brought down ok.. what did you feel when muslims destroyed temples in jammu and kashmir. What did you feel when muslims killed and raped women in jammu and kashmir and all kashmiri hindus had to flee from there homes. They were threatned either to excepts islam or live kashmir. where were you when biggest genocide was carried out in bangaldesh and thousands of hindus were killed???? you give me one instance and i can give you thousands.. so better for you not get into this debate
RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 02:48 AM Permalink
Yes, but see the response to it Anand. Is it just left to the people to sort out?
No, We have the army stationed there , to not allow any further damage.
RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
th question is, how should Hindus feel about the largest Genocide ever witnessed by mankind when Islamic hordes crossed Indus. Hindus are still existing and we are in hundreds of millions. There were structures and shock absorbers in the culture to maintain the identity though some of them must be reformed now. In any case, We have survived!!!!!!!!!! Not like the American Indians or Australia tribes who were massacared and are reduced to minute numbers. Now think before you type nonsense. You have no idea how angry a Hindu would be. Still we gave a Gandhi. Learn this spirit. Talk to your Mullahs. Reform your religion. Don't waste time here by posting nonsense propaganda about Hinduism. Marxists are not a credible source. They have their mission in denigrating some things.
RE:RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 02:54 AM Permalink
Yes. Agreed The Islamic hordes came.
But we had the guts to fight, Big Army against a small one.
The Rajputs warriors, The Marathas to name a few.
But Aagain my question to you is, whats the fault of the present day muslim in that ?
Do we have to still stand trial ??
You say , you existed and are in hundreds of millions.
Now see the current scenario.
Do you think someone is trying to convert you by being the most socially, economicaly backward community ? Why do you not agree, that muslims hav been left to their fate ?? That they everytime they show patriotism, its called show-off.
RE:RE:RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 03:06 AM Permalink
Indian Muslim, your posts are nice and you talk some sense unlike most Muslims which is the main problem. The point is, your dedication should be first to India and next to Islam. That is the main reason that you are seeing all the problems. It's not about conversions or prejudice, though they have their issues and some are driven by them. They come only when fundamental basis of a nation is skipped. Indian Muslims must claim their heritage that they had before their ancestors converted. You cannot run away from it. It reality and i don't know why people behave this way and get isolated. That is a problem. You should identify with your Hindus and Christians in India more than any others. Others are secondary. Hindus in India don't give a damn about Hindus elsewhere. We are committed to the nation and others are next. Love Islam, but love India first. That is how nations behave. That is why they form nations. "Secularism" can go to drainage if this fundamental facts are not understood. Why did some Hindus become communal? reflect on it. do Hindus give a crap about world outside India? No right? Reflect on that too. Have a good night. Bye.
RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by Imaan on Feb 18, 2007 02:58 AM Permalink
Your claims are as false as is your Identity. You can go to kashmir and see for yourself the destruction that you claim was wrought upon by muslims on kashmiri pandits!!!Even after a decade of militancy in kashmir and genocide of muslims by Indian Army a Shiva temples stands as it is in my friends locality in Srinagar!
I am not responsible for what happens to Hindus in Kazhakistan and Pakistan or Banglaistan.
I am only responsible for my Behaviour and my country!
If Muslim rulers were as bigot as you suggest India would havdid e been a Muslim country by now. It ruled by Muslims for 1200 years dude.
If you dont beleive this thatn u must agree that Hindus breed like rats and this is the reason they overcame this so called shock (genocide) of Hindus by Muslims. But I guees this is the the allegation u apply to muslims as far breeding is concerned!
Hindus themselves were a broken lot and fought each other and killed eachother before the hals came.
The great emperor Ashoka who fought a bloody battle where millions were butchered and rivers of blood began to flow was a Hindu dude. And the fight was between Hindus! Dont blame Muslims for the foolishness of urdid forefathers!
There are millions of temples still standing in Benaras where Aurangzeb ruled.This fact alone is sufficient to refute the above allegations of yours and hindu-fascists!
RE:RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 03:15 AM Permalink
Imaan have a nice day with your hate propaganda. Ashoka killed millions? What do you know about Ashoka really? Do you know he ruled most of India during his reign from Afghanistan to Burma? He killed not millions in Kalinga. In any case, what matters is the guy went through serious issues after doing that. He converted to Buddhism and tried to spread it through missionaries. His motivation is one of the main driving factor for spread of Buddhism. Buddhism is the most peaceful religion and recently some of the taliban dudes destroyed the Bamiyans and more than a thousand years ago, the ancestors of the same barbaric dudes wiped out the Buddhism from Afghanistan to North West and North India. what are you smoking man? You got some balls to talk that away about Ashoka. You want to spread lies, at least be smart. Prophet Mohammed and his personal record makes a fine reading. Ashoka is a kid before the issues Prophet had in his personal life. The things he did. Anyway, best of luck with your hate campaign. You will meet a lot of guys like me on the way if you want to go this way. Instead learn fact and learn the skills of debate.
RE:RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by suraj yadav on Feb 18, 2007 03:31 AM Permalink
hey Imam..
i know its useless to talk with u.. but i want to reply ur one quote
Ashoka who fought a bloody battle where millions were butchered and rivers of blood began to flow was a Hindu dude
u r forgetting here.. whatever Ashoka fought for was political reason. he never killed and distroyed other countries to put his cultural or religion dominancy.. and i think ur weak in history as well.. i think u forgot after fighting Kalinga war.. he gave up fight and preached non-violence.. he was able to change his mind because he was hindu and he was not prohibitive by any sick teaching as in today's bil ladens reasons for hate are.
RE:RE:RE:An Indian Muslim
by zena on Feb 19, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Imaan, Get yr history right. India was under islamic rule for 762 years. The temple in Somnath was first attacked by Mohd Ghazni of Turkey. Right up to the so-called moderate emperor Akbar, every time Hindus rebuilt the Temple it was torn down. Muslims have a historical record of destroying churches and temples and then building their mosques on that same ground. Know why? Muslims are very greedy people, very territorial. Go read proper history. Your ignorance is shameful.
RE:An Indian Muslim
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
Look , I am a muslim too. And know what you are talking about.
I know very well that I have to ALWAYS prove my patriotism , which is by default for the hindus.
But then I dont blame totally the hindus for it.
But the way you go on about hinduism , is of no help.
This is a mad mad cycle of your religion and my religion.
My Patriotism goes beyond the idea of Hatred.
I know very well, that there are blood-bayers of muslims in the guise of organizations, political parties .
But I would never take your route.
There are a zillion websites exposing , each religion.
Coz If you want to hate somebody you can find a million reasons. Thats how it works. Human nature.
So leave their religion to them , after all thats what Quran says isnt it??
"Unto you your religion, Unto me my religion" (Quran :109:6)
Having said all of these , I know very well. The Indian Intellegentia who have posted most of the anti-muslim/islam comments have made up their mind to hate you , me and every muslim.
So, whatever happens , happens.
If you want to explain , explain , reply or give a proper response using your intellect.
Simply posting articles is SPAM. You need not put your theory on their throats.
RE:Imaan. STOP YOUR HATRED.
by Imaan on Feb 18, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
I quoted from Dr Chaterjee an Hindu and only the Truth. You can read Bhagvad Geeta or the life of Lord Krishna and come to your conclusions!!!
RE:Imaan. STOP YOUR HATRED.
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 03:05 AM Permalink
I dont want to. I dont see the need for it. Hate begets hate, is all i know.
RE:RE:RE:Imaan. STOP YOUR HATRED.
by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 04:34 AM Permalink
You serious? You want an equal no. of websites despising hinduism? Surely NOT! Keep your hatred with you. Thanks for being nice!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Imaan. STOP YOUR HATRED.
by talk cool on Feb 18, 2007 09:33 AM Permalink
Can u pls explain why everybody in world hates Muslims? There shd be some common thing which is pokes humanity.Don't u think that way?