Why you want to point out those thinks which is not truth. my advoice first read carfully all Mugal history and then give some comments. there are somany mistake which I obseved, my becouse of less knowledge or purpose fully.
Francois Gautier, I think you would do everyone a favor if you take your european rear back to europe. You don't have to teach Indians about their history. There are enough skeletons in your own closet, first go and take a look at them.
If you are on RSS payroll, then it is otherwise.
I will point out several mistakes in this rather non-sensical presentation of Indian history.
It is called a FARMAN, not Farhan, it is not Javed Akhtar's son who was issued.
THe house of Babar always fought when it came the time to take the throne. The successor was decided by battles between princes, except in the case of Humayun. A war was fought between Aurangzeb Alamgir( May Allah(SWT) have mercy on him) fought Dara shikoh and got the better of him. I ask What would Dara Shikoh have done if he had captured Aurangzeb Alamgir( May Allah(SWT) have mercy on him). Why did Ashok kill 99 of his brothers to get the kingdom?
Sikh guru Tej bahadur was killed because he incited rebellion thru Aurangzeb Alamgir( May Allah(SWT) have mercy on him)'s own sons. Does anybody garland Dawood Ibrahim, Ulfa group, at the Indian Parliament.
Why was Aurangzeb Alamgir( May Allah(SWT) have mercy on him)'s commander in chief of armed forces Jaswant Singh?
Also why does not playing music and not watching amorous dances by beautiful girls make one bad. How does it make you better if you do these things. It was his personal choice based upon his religious convictions. He never took a penny from the treasury. He never slept on a bed. He mamanged his personal expenses by selling skull caps and copies of holy Quran.
RE:Nothing better to do.
by gurpreet johar on Feb 18, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
Comparing Sikh guru with dawood ibrahim your intellect has is as low as aurangzeb. and by the way jaswant singh was not a sikh if you are implying that I should remind you he was a rajput from Marwar which is part of rajasthan..
Truth about aurangzeb hurts but its true...and if you want to learn about what sikh guru stood for than get in touch.
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by Maz on Feb 19, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
Why do you think we cannot compare two people who are involved in subversive activities? It is not comparing apples and oranges... Who said I was hurt by the crap doled out by Francois and his ilk. I am just amused.
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by Maz on Feb 19, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
I was just saying that Jaswant Singh was a non-muslim and if you want me to go into details. Why did Gobind Singh write letters of flattery to Aurangzeb(May ALlah have mercy on him)? Wake up wake up.
RE:Nothing better to do.
by suppandi on Feb 18, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
we all know, followers of which God are the biggest threat to world peace. more power to America and India has done the right thing by alligning itself with the US. previoulsy Mumbai's black friday was called internal communalism, but incidents like these in India will be dubbed I'mic terrorism in the future and clubbed with 9/11. at the same time, we have to use the present world intolerance to I'mic terrorism to stamp out this evil. since the world has condoned Gutanemo Bay, even we need to open something like this for I'mic terrorists
RE:truth about Aurangjeb
by suppandi on Feb 18, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
we all know, followers of which God are the biggest threat to world peace. more power to America and India has done the right thing by alligning itself with the US. previoulsy Mumbai's black friday was called internal communalism, but incidents like these in India will be dubbed I'mic terrorism in the future and clubbed with 9/11. at the same time, we have to use the present world intolerance to I'mic terrorism to stamp out this evil. since the world has condoned Gutanemo Bay, even we need to open something like this for I'mic terrorists
RE:truth about Aurangjeb
by Observer Observer on Feb 19, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
Auragnzeb is a false legend and a lie to be used as a tool for hate against muslims , do you have the guts to speak up against the present day Hitler and Hindu Nazi Narendra Modi for indulging in genocide of Muslims in Gujarat and correctly denied the visa by the US department of state.
RE:Auranjeb gave a new religion to Indian as HINDU religion
by on Feb 19, 2007 03:56 AM Permalink
TO: ALL PSEUDO SECULAR SO CALLED 'HINDUS' OF INDIA, and all anti hindu lot in india and elsewhere.
I am not really surprised why condition of present India and Hindus are such, given there are plenty of 'Ostrich' like you with their head deep in sand thinking 'troubles' will go away, and 'everything is fine' attitude. Its a shame that it takes a white french to tell indian like you 'your own history' and how you can learn and set the record straight. There is so much problem all over the world, how long do you want to live in denial? No one wants confrontation and no one certainly invite bloody situation, but why are you advocating all indians not to know 'the real history of India under muslim rule, speciafically under aurangzeb's' ? what do you mean when you say 'rake up more Gujrat' ? you must be thankful that you were not born in kashmir, and your hindu family wasnot chased out of kashmir. More over, answer me this question and try to be realistic and honest- will India still be a democracy, if majority of Indians become muslims, or , if muslims become majority? Here is the answer- India will have shariat law and hindus like you wont find a place to hide in their own homeland. if thats hard to digest, then ask the hindus of pakistan and bangladesh. you commented that 'You are simply throwing stone on a barking dogs head' , so you yourself are accepting that 18% indian muslims are ready to pounce on 78% majority hindus given any excuse. wake up and smell your coffee, your wishful thinking of living in peace with violent ideology of islam wont hold true. thats what Gandhi Ji wished too, and its a big internal security risk for India now. Pls do not live in denial, and be part of an India that does not hide its dirty messy history thats full of opression and genocide of its people (read 'hindu- that includes buddhists, jainis, and sikhs). as for this jain moron, read history good, your mahavir swami just another hindu philosoper in the line of many. so much for your 'jain pride'. dude, no body knows about jainism outside of india, so relax and learn to live in the bigger hindu social frame work, thats your destiny. peace!
RE:Auranjeb gave a new religion to Indian as HINDU religion
by on Feb 19, 2007 08:58 AM Permalink
Amit Jain,
Before the coming of muslim rulers and before Buddhism and Jainism, there was the Adi Sanatan Devi Devta Dharam in India for 2.500 years. Ignorant soul! Do some reading.
RE:RE:Auranjeb gave a new religion to Indian as HINDU religion
by Chankya Pandit on Feb 19, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
Hey Amit CLUELESS jain, Obviously you have a lot of jealousy hatred and venom against SANATAN VEDIC DHARMA. I am not surprised, as I always knew how it might have psychologically felt being a tiny tiny tiny sidekick minority(like you) in the homeland of Sanatan dharma(present day hinduism, if you will. atheistic philosophies like jainism buddism etc etc etc came under the bigger frame of hinduism and they shamelessly borrowed all the eastern dharmic principles(karma reincarnation samsara etc) from vedic scriptures especially upanishads. its like copyright violation, but guess what! Sanatan Dharma absorbed and made space for these Nastik(atheistic) philsophies too without any bitterness or ill will. all indian philosophies that evolved in this holy land later on are merely copy cut paste version of original vedic scriptures. infact this is not the place where people are talking about place of jainism / buddism etc etc(copycats) in india and whatnot, and then here you are Mr amit Clueless bitter jealous Jain marching alone to take on your mummy and daddy(read hinduism). problem here is aurangzeb and islamic ideolgy that have done irreparable damages to India and hindu ( including you jains buddists sikhs et al). if you have genuine grievances, or if you are looking for a better recognition, we can talk about it in another board. Concentrate on the topic here(aurangzeb), do not act like muslim minority of India who are ready to go at majority hindu at any given excuse. trust me, you jains belong only with us hindus. if you do not believe me, ask your other jain friends. as for 'sanatan devi devta dharma', i will just tell you this- we are your daddy when it comes to anything and everything(philosophy or whatnot. you guys came from us- at best, you are just another branch of sanatan dharma. at worst, you are a religion of atheism. you asked me to do some reading. i do not want to disappoint you but looking at your two liners i can tell you i am daddy there too. no pun intended.
RE:Auranjeb gave a new religion to Indian as HINDU religion
by S B Patel on Feb 19, 2007 03:26 AM Permalink
Dear Amit, Do you know who Mahavir or Vardhman was? He was a Hindu or you can say a tribal who did not have a name. Same is for Sidhdhartha later known as Budhdha.
And this very philosophy- DHARMA is not a religion. The English word religion does not define our Dharma. Read Bhagini Nivedita's Book. Today what do you think about BHAKTI ? Is it devotion? If you say yes, you don't know what Bhakti means.
I request you to not to malign our great BHARATIYA DHARMA OR HINDU DHARMA BY just giving it a name and making it narrow. As you might know "BHAGVAD GEETA" our main scripture, does not have a single word called HINDU, it talks about WHOLE MANKIND OR HUMANKIND.
So learn from Mahavir and Budhdha - and start reading BHAGVAD GEETA. which was told by the great incarnation Lord Krishna.
RE:Auranjeb gave a new religion to Indian as HINDU religion
by Day lambu on Feb 18, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
You fools can only understand concepts of organized religions. Hindu-"ism" which is not an ism at all, is much greater than any organized religion. It has survived 5000 years inspite of these narrow minded idiots trying to convert and destroy it and will survive another 5000 years when these so called organized religions will cease to exit. Have you heard of Adi Shankara, have you heard of upanishads? the advaita philosophy? No other scripture on this earth can match "The Gita" in its profoundness and relevance to life irrespective of the age we live in. The Quran and Bible can only be compared to "Manusmriti" which is not Sanatana dharma in any way and don't represent the HIndu philosophy. Jainism and Budhism are not different in their basic premises and are extension of the same philosophy, a philosophy which encourages self inquiry rather than blind belief and faith as is propogated by these organized religions, meant for morons
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
we know what happened to peaceful Tibet.
White men divided our country. This guy is also out to do that by telling lies as historic facts. His connections to CIA should be inquired. Please go back. Indians will solve their problems.
RE:Gautier go back to your country
by suppandi on Feb 18, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
we all know, followers of which God are the biggest threat to world peace. more power to America and India has done the right thing by alligning itself with the US. previoulsy Mumbai's black friday was called internal communalism, but incidents like these in India will be dubbed I'mic terrorism in the future and clubbed with 9/11. at the same time, we have to use the present world intolerance to I'mic terrorism to stamp out this evil. since the world has condoned Gutanemo Bay, even we need to open something like this for I'mic terrorists
RE:Gautier go back to your country
by Vas on Feb 19, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
Huh? How come white woman Sonia Gandhi is still hanging around here? Shouldn't she be kicked out too!
At least Gautier is a scholar and a professional, who has done tremendously lot for Indian culture - in preserving the heritage, culture, and traditions.
The white Sonia Gandhi, on the other hand, is an uneducated, illiterate, gold-digger from an extremely poor family, whose only credentials and achievement was to marry into a powerful Indian family and become relegated overnight into a goddess by the iliterate indian masses. She has never done an honest day's work in her entire life. She has no social work record, nor has she done anything for India or Indians. She has been instrumental in destroying the indian culture and heritage. So kick her out first.
I'd rather India was flushed withb 100s of Gautiers than even one Sonia Gandhi.
RE:Gautier go back to your country
by on Feb 18, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
Well said. This guy is out to divide the country so that the West can take control of parts of it. Spies should not have any place in india.
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by on Feb 19, 2007 09:01 AM Permalink
Gautier go back to your country
Whoi! It was the British who colonised you lot. Francois Gautier is to be praised along with Dr. David Frawley for making Hinduism and the Vedas and India's islamic history which Will Durant wrote "the most barbaric brutal atrocities committed on a peace loving nation" You should be ashamed of yourself. Go be useful to yourself and do read history. You are totally ignorant
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by Joseph on Feb 19, 2007 08:42 AM Permalink
Gautuier is a spy. Do we need an essay with 4th grade standard to get emotional? How does he know that aurangazeb killed on the basis of religion? Pandavas kiled Kauravas. Was it based on religion. The rulers of all ages used to kill their enemies. Germans killed the French. British killed Germans etc. Kings in Travancore killed enemies in Cochin, ruled by good Hindus. So dont be fooled by this stupid incitement. In history many things happened. Should we avenge it now? This is modern age. dont go back to 17th century.
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by praveen on Feb 19, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
Those, who got brain in right place and in good condition, know very well that Muslims do everything based on religion. Let's leave Aurangazeb since that's a history. What about current scenario?? Muslim terrorists have become a global threat. And they do terrorism to destroy every other religion but islam. And in recent past many muslims had been captured for helping terrorists and for conspirating bomb-blasts. They don't hesitate to do anything in the name of islam.
RE:RE:RE:Gautier go back to your country
by Chankya Pandit on Feb 20, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
Hey converted indian christian joseph, how about kicking you and your keralite christian community out of india? that sounds just right proposal to me. after all you guys are dreaming of converting whole india to churchianity. what indian culture do you follow anyway joseph. your holidays are good friday and christmas, so what are you talking about india and indian culture? why are you showing so much concern joseph. i guess, by the last count, you and your converted lots were like < 3% of indian population. you guys are not even in 2 digits, so hat the fuss you are making here. when you live in Rome, do as Romans do, and when you are in India, do as indians do(read hindus, coz that makes up the majority). Since we are democratic and we are hindus, we allow freedom of thoughts and freedom to worship in any way shape or form you like. Do not take it to be unconditional privillege. you cant go against the root of indian culture, thats vedic/ hindu dharma(including buddism/jainism/ sikhism)...rest are outsiders. you can live here freely by respecting our cultural ethos. thats what Mr Francois G do. he is not a clueless mullah from arabia or fanatic evangelical christian from south(texas et al). do not insult the intelligence of hindus by calling him spy etc. and as for kauravas, they represent unjustice, evil, bad...and pandavas represnts righteousness and dharma. but then again, what would a guy called 'joseph' would know or care to know about indian hindu history. you are busy reading OT NT and crusades. As for avenging, well, we surely want our AYODHYA KASHI MATHURA back. nothing less than that. wont you think, its only justified! historical record of BHARAT(real and original name of 'india') MUST be set straight, and this time not by communists, missionaries, or anti hindu lobbies, coz hindus are aware.
RE:Gautier go back to your country
by Day lambu on Feb 19, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
Francois Gautier is known for calling a spade a spade. He has been India for more than 40 years and understands the Indian culture and the philosophy more than the most self declared pundits. Hail Francois for being unrelentless in bringing out the flaws of our "secularist" ideology that has ruined the country in the last 50 years
RE:Gautier go back to your country
by Ramesh Patel on Feb 18, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
Do you know where this man Gautier so you tell him go back or come in. Anyone who tells the truth are welcome in India for India believes in the Truth. Why not proving Mr. Gautier is lying by telling truth with evidence as Gautier has done.
RE:Gautier go back to your country
by Malathi U on Feb 19, 2007 08:33 AM Permalink
why are u afriad of Mr Gautier. He is not leaving India. He has amessage for India and Indians whether you like it or not. It is good for every INDIAN to know their past and their roots and heritage.
