Reading some of these messages is a great example of how people loose their sense, Muslim people should ignore this article because it's nothing. Why bother trying to justying your faith to anyone, if u feel you know what your religion is about than u don't have to explain.
Religion is important but not more than money, India,Pakistan are so poor and unable to feed half of their population. There are not proper roads,school,clean food and water available in India and Pakistan. People always go to India just to visit Taj Mahal but they are sick of the dirt, lack of clean water and poverty. We should try to fix these problem and not argue. How many people from these message board donate money to the poor everyweek? I am asking my muslim brother??
In Australia I always go to the Sydney mosque even though I have class.
RE:From Khan
by Amarendhra Kumar on Feb 20, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
Mr.Khan- Forigners visit Taj believing in the eternal love story.The truth is- Shahjahan had many wives, and after Mumtaj died, he was activelt taking aphrodesiacs to have sex with his many concubines. Ha, what love that way! It was all a fairy tale, and I for one, will never visit Taj. It is a monument to barbaric Moghul rule of Hindustan. Hindus are well-advised to avoid this shameful monument altogether.
While it is true India is poor, India WILL emerge as an economic giant soon (unlike Porkistan), and recapture her past glory. The only impediment- Islamic terror. Just today, I read about the train blasts on the peace train. Muslims must learn from the past, and realize they have done much harm, especially to Hindus in India. Once they admit this, they can live in peace. They can learn from past, and shape their future to be peaceful and prosperous. Muslims must learn to live with non-Muslims.If not, conflicts are inevitable. Such conflicts are surfacing in Europe. Is a 3rd world war possible? Yes, and this time, it will be due to Islamic terror.
In USA, I always go to classes first, and temples come in a distant second. My Hinduism tells me duty first, God can wait. My duty is to my classes, and students first. That is Sanatana Dharma- and I will tell you this Khan- that is the only element on this planet that will save humanity in the future.
RE:Gautier should be prosecuted
by praveen on Feb 19, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
Yes he is a videshi but i don't think he is inciting violence and communal hatred. He gives information he has. And i think almost everyone knows abt how Aurangzeb was. Am i wrong if i believe u appreciate muslims for what they've done??
RE:Gautier should be prosecuted
by Amarendhra Kumar on Feb 20, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
Joseph is pissed- Only reason: Francois Gautier is a true Bharatha rathna. He writes often about the raping of Hindus by foreign Christian missionaries. There are ONLY 2 Horrible cults on this planet: Islam and Christianity. Both are guilty of raping world cultures.
I vote for Francois Gauthier to be our next Indian President.
RE:Gautier should be prosecuted
by Vas on Feb 19, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
By your logic, so should Sonia Gandhi - be prosecuted! But I'm sure the likes of you would see her as an 'Angel' who will deliver you, the dark-skinned christian convert savage, to the 'kingdom of god.' I would rather have a peaceful, scholarly videshi, who's not afraid to go against the popular notion and prejudices to speak the truth, than some bimbo, below-average videshi who marries into Indian power and is treated like royalty in India. Pathetic persons like you, enslaved in the body and mind, and intellect, should be the last one to talk of persecuting a videshi.
RE:Gautier should be prosecuted
by on Feb 19, 2007 12:21 PM Permalink
Joseph, just like the muslims, your ancestors were also converted on some pretext or the other. Doubt not. Nehru and M K Gandhi were muslims, and hence the pro-muslim government in India. the Maplah revolution is historical evidence enough. But evidence aside, who in their right minds would throw aside Ancient Wisdom, and embrace religions that are barely a few thousand years old (read judaism, christianity, islam etc.)? Are these religions superior in any way? A simple read of the texts will answer your question. A religion (or a belief system) that discourages self-discovery and forces 'faith' or a doctrine is clearly inferior. All the adamic religious texts (again, read christianity, judaism, islam) clearly state that those not belonging to that religion are inferior, must be converted etc. or be 'punished' - 'in the name of god!!'. In other words all these religions are discriminatory in nature and hence inferior to a Universal Kindred Spirit, that we need so badly. Stop being proud of being 'indian' - if you're really a free country, why call yourself by a british name in the first place? Why embrace an imported (and forcibly established) religion? Have you forgotten how the Dutch and the British missionaries bribed/threatened ignorant people and forced them to change their way of life? Gautier is not from Bhaaratha, but nevertheless, he speaks the truth. And if you cannot respect the Truth, you do NOT belong to the holy land of Bhaaratha. Truth will reign supreme. All lies will be exposed, be they from jesus or allah or jehovah or buddha. Sathyam Eva Jayathay, Naann Routhum
RE:RE:Gautier should be prosecuted
by ambika nair on Feb 19, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
when did Joseph become a british name? I thought the name Joseph originated in West Asia? And you speak of ancient wisdom, knowledge etc If you really knew Hinduism you would understand that all religions are different paths to universal truth.And if you really knew Hinduism you would not consider yourself superior to another.
RE:Gautier should be prosecuted
by Milind Kotwal on Feb 19, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
Dear Joseph,
Are you a Videshi? probably by culture? Probably your thought process is corrupted. The so called secularists believe in facts when it suits them and use another logic to suppress hard facts when it does not suit.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by ramesh joshi on Feb 19, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
Buddy, are you saying that we should not study history just because it "hurts sentiments of muslims"? Now eat this: India is a democratic country. NOt an Inslamic state. So if somebody says something, even if to raise controversy, it is allowed in India (may be not allowed in your country-Pakistan, but allowed here). If you does not like that, go to Pakistan.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by on Feb 19, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
Cah mon dude....you've gotta be smarter than this. If Aurangzeb was a dickwad, and he's destroyed historic sites to market islam, then how 'bout you muslims undo the damage by returning these sites to their rightful owners?
Instead of trying to prove your disagreement with Aurangzeb with useless words, why don't you talk to your Imam or whomever and come to a consensus that many of your mosques are built on stolen land? Why do you hold on to the spoils of Aurangzeb's theiving spree and bullshit everyone that you do NOT support him?
Go on man - return what your ancestors stole, raped and looted, and then we'll talk about whether you're actually upholding Aurangzeb's ideals. It is impossible to separate Aurangzeb's actions from his religion - why? because his religion was the cause of his actions. I don't say that Islam is evil or christianity is evil. What I say is that you guys need to undo the wrongs of the past, and then everyone will understand that Aurangzeb was a bad man NOT because he was a muslim, but in spite of it.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Secular Indian on Feb 19, 2007 07:44 AM Permalink
You believe he was a tyrant then that is a start. The author of the article is trying to demonstrate/show/explain where this intolerance towards other religions originates. A more modern example is the Taliban in Bamiyan, even though centuries apart the ideology and justification are the same. How many muslims (in the Ummah) held protests to drum up oppositions to this patently stupid action ? Zero. There is a tacit approval and justification in Islam for such acts. You make the mistake of assuming that anyone that questions anything about Islam hates Muslims, which is again reflective of the "You are either with us or against us mentality" that is the foundation of this zealotry.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Vas on Feb 19, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
Well, good for you. At least you acknowledge that Aurang was a tyrant, and nothing but a tyrant. But can's say the same for other Indian muslims who still live in denial and hold on to the 'romantic' notion of Aurang being a great emperor (whatéver greatness means to them). Perhaps they don't want to admit that their ancestors are all victims of rape and forceful conversions. Perhaps its time to accept the reality of your history, adn the true face of islam. It was never, and can never, be a religion of peace. There will always be a muslim crusader from somewhere trying to slaughter, maim, kill, rape, plunder, etc other non-muslims. It is inherent to the religion.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Secular Indian on Feb 19, 2007 07:38 AM Permalink
Your mind reading skills are surpassed only by your ability to defend an untenable argument. I don't hate muslims and it's irrelevant whether Jaswant Singh was his commander or not. It's doubtful that Jaswant Singh colluded with Aurangzeb to destroy Hindu temples and forcefully convert them to Islam, because it doesn't then make sense for him to remain Hindu. Secondly when he died (in 1679) "Aurangzeb occupied his Kingdom of Marwar and simultaneously imposed the jaziya tax on the non-Muslims. The earlier decree of 1669 on temple destruction was now openly enforced and extended into the Rajput territories like Marwar, Mewar, Shekhawati, Bundelkhand, and Malwa." See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsingh_I One can only conclude that because of Jaswant Singh, Aurangzeb was forced to spare the temples in Rajasthan.
Please don't use selective (and deliberately) factoids to come up with lame refutations/excuses and peddle the same old nonsense and apologetic bullshit.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Nishan K on Feb 19, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
You are wrong, no one wants to use Aurangzeb as tool.. but, they are shocked to see comments like " This is Truth by fazal siddiqui on Feb 17, 2007 07:37 PM .. Aurangzeb was a great King of Indian history". What was this monster's greatness? Killing Hindus?
Ramkrishna you are right, we are not looking into the past we have lot of present AurangaZebs... here is the trick the people saying stop this don't look into past. I want to ask them what about the present?
RE:This is no looking into the past this is the present.
by pieceful on Feb 19, 2007 05:04 AM Permalink
Aurangazed merely did to the Hindu temples, what the prophet did to the pagan idols of the Kaaba....how can you refer to Aurangazeb as cruel and to the prophet as "Insan-al-kamal"? We can't use double standards and just be politically correct.
RE:RE:This is no looking into the past this is the present.
by Day lambu on Feb 19, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
That is their frustration, they could not destroy the Hindu Culture even though they tried for a 1000 years. And now many Aurangazebs hide under the veil of secularism
RE:RE:RE:RE:This is no looking into the past this is the present.
by Nishan K on Feb 19, 2007 07:59 AM Permalink
Just FYI... Wel, there are many, this is just one - "This is Truth by fazal siddiqui on Feb 17, 2007 07:37 PM .. Aurangzeb was a great King of Indian history". Well, You just need to praise Hitler to provide tacit support Holocaust and his hatred towards Jews. That's what people like Fazal do.
RE:RE:RE:RE:This is no looking into the past this is the present.
by vipin bihari mehrotra on Feb 19, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Then why you are feeling offendedAnyway the subject is Aurangjeb.
RE:I prefer this! I eat pig meat, then next day I can give what ever you want.
by vipin bihari mehrotra on Feb 19, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
What is relevence
RE:anwar sheikh
by pieceful on Feb 19, 2007 04:30 AM Permalink
I am sure that he will not be in the houris-filled heaven which is even more repulsive than hell. May his tribe increase...
RE:RE:anwar sheikh
by Thajunnisa Adam on Feb 19, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
Is that so???You shall taste the hell one day and will find out which is more repulsive.Francois Gautier must be having a hearty laugh now.Dont worry Mr.Gautier,the same fate is for u too.
RE:RE:RE:anwar sheikh
by vipin bihari mehrotra on Feb 19, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
Why are you worried about Gautier. His hell will be better than your heaven
RE:anwar sheikh
by Day lambu on Feb 19, 2007 09:00 AM Permalink
I am not a gujarati Hindu, but I can see that only a pervert, jingoistic bigot can make such a comment, suits well for his kind. Does he know that Gujarat is the most industrially developed state in India and Gujaratis are extremely successful throughout the world because of their hard work and dedication. His kind can never appreciate that because he is stuck in medieval dogmas and frustrations associated with that
Why go back in time about what aurangazeb did in India? Just look at the Taliban and what they did to the 2000 old beautiful benign Buddhas at Bamiyan in Afghanistan.Ramki
