Hindus live in a dirty 12th century thinking? Hindu Culture is horrible? I agree with you one hundred percent and so will every true Hindu. Why? Because only Stupid Hindu Soldiers will allow more than one Lac Prisioners of War Muslim Soldiers from your 21st Century Islamic Country called Pakistan to go home alive with dignity.
These 12the Century Soldiers didn't treat these Paki 21 st Soldiers the way
your advanced and highly cultured Australian and American soldiers treated the Iraqi Soldiers. The Photos of these Iraqi soldiers you also must have seen and had a laugh with your friends in Australia.
For your kind information the POWS caputured during the 1971 War with your 21st Century Islamic country by 12th Century Hindus is the largest in 21st Century.
Want more examples of These stupid Hindus and their Culture. Do You? I got plently.
RSS Golwalkar Idealogue-" Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the semitic races %u2013 the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh-impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimiliated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by"
On the option for indian muslims and christians which the sangh shamefully targets-"The foreign races in Hindusthan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and hold in reverence Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but those of the glorification of the Hindu race and culture, i.e., of the Hindu nation and must loose their separate existence to merge in the Hindu race, or may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu Nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment - not even citizen's rights"
The chief priest of Hindutva,Savarkar to his credit not only has those famous letters of abject cringing and surrender to the british.But he thinks that the likes of Shivaji were misguided in not allowing the rape of muslim women!
Also these alleged tit for tat" bluster from the sangh only comes against helpless cvilians ...Against the british what happens? you have to search for their "achievements" with a telescope!
And we see their fraud campaigner Gautier and a few trolls giving their usual shameless hypocritical lectures on principles like tolerance they as a uncivilised gang never believe in.
Communalism comes from smallmindedness and eman spiritedness.To discriminate against a fellow human being on the basis of man made identity like religion only reflects a unevolved,debased mind.
such people only have a perverted sense of fairplay and justice. they can all go to hell!
RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by neha kothari on Mar 07, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
Well said.. Its the true spirit.. As far as we crying on conversion, it looks silly.. Can you convert if someone is forcing you.. YOu got such a week belief? Come on..
RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Name on Mar 01, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
I agree all except for the conversion part. Because its a different issue further u think urself by reading the below texts on this page. Its should not be forceful it is individual's decision in our Democratic country where freedom of religion and the freedom of conscience is present.
RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 03:56 AM Permalink
Another post modernist "progressive", what is the basis of identity, please share with us. Secondly you suggesting that anyone that dares to point out Islamic atrocities is an RSS/VHP member. One doesn't have to be an RSS member or a fan of the VHP to be shocked by the historical truth. So what is your point ?
RE:RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Perv Sharma on Mar 01, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
Jav
In Which year did the Gujarat riots happen? So the burning of a train was claimed only by BJP?
Funny when the muslims do it or something they don't like ? they simply say it never happened. This burning of Train didn't happen 1000 years ago to be disputed.
Regarding riots in retaliation to the burning of train. Well that's only half truth. It's the anger of being subjected again and again to such nonsense stuff by only one community that ultimately the anger had to come out one day. The constant killings of Hindus in Kashmir for the last 30 years in present times reminds every hindu what the muslims think the moment they form a majority. The muslims take the generosity of other religions for granted.
Tt's now becoming a world wide and why only against the muslims? IT's a answer which only they have to think and answer. The most recent anti - muslim riots were the Sdyney beach riots against muslims especially of lebanese origin.
RE:RE:RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Name on Mar 01, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
No one said it never happened.
Thats what the debate is for. Kill the terrorist and punish them. Whoever he is Hindu/ muslim/ Cristian/ or any other. But whom to blame if its an accident.
And now, Why innocents are killed??? Attack and punish the terrorists not the innocents.
Answer for the Other half of your question is because of self-interest/ resources/ fast growth of Islam over the past..
And also muslim will be targeted till the end of this world its in muslim scriptures also, and muslim should not do anything wrong to the innocents, it is also there, and that's his salvation.
RE:RE:RE:RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Perv Sharma on Mar 03, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
A state of Denial for all wrong done by muslims in the name of Islam is a new trend or it's a case of not hearing what one doesn't want to hear.
Talk about the Kashmir issue ? They will say nothing has happened. Tell them what was the problem regarding breaking down of the 1000 year old Buddha idols in Afghanistan and imposing islamic law on everybody and they will tell it's one's house and he can do what he likes. Funny, similarly can't they understand India is Hindu majority and today they rule. So, it's time muslims learnt to be ruled over. Atleast they are allowed built mosques etc. Can their brothers (since each islamic guy is a brother) in Arabia allow other religious people to built their own place of worship.
It's time the islamic followers understood that now they will be treated the way they treat the other person in India. Days of Aurangzeb are over and come out of it or go to Pakistan. Hindus are generous you can come fighting and like in 1971 war we will always release all POWs alive and with dignity. It's just that Hindus can't change their nature completely.
RE:RE:RE:RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
You are right punish the guilty but what makes a Sudanese man leave his family and come all the way to Kashmir and attack and kill civilians. There has to be something more ,,,
RE:RE:RE:RE:why the RSS gang are Nazi wannabes?
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 06:58 AM Permalink
This alleged Muslim victim hood is at the heart of Muslim denial.
"Muslims like to play victims. Naturally the best way to justify hate is to pretend to be a victim. You cannot hate someone unless you feel that he or she is oppressing and victimizing you. "
RE:Facts Vs. Opinions
by satya s on Mar 01, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
The problem is with people like you who discriminate against a fellow human being on the basis of man made identity like religion which only reflects a unevolved,debased mind.
first take a look at your communal mentality.
You are no different from those who criticse and hat's what makes a communalist inherently dumb. He has the same or similar bad qualities as those he accuses .
RE:RE:Facts Vs. Opinions
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 03:59 AM Permalink
You choose to stick your head up your backside, fine enjoy the smell but please don't bring sanctimonious pap into this debate. Argue with facts not post-modernist claptrap.
RE:RE:ABOUT AURENGAZEB.
by In on Mar 01, 2007 05:12 PM Permalink
Dear friend,
Read below I hv already written earlier on this page without Any BIAS...
Any one, Muslim or non-muslim if he has killed/ troubled/ abused innocents; he did wrong/.. but why its been repeated in this civilized scientific world by Hindus and has enough support of good educated people also.
Don't dig the grave centuries old, lets make the todays world better.
I ofen hear from Muslim saying Indian as "Non-muslim Brothers". Because they believe they too are the decendants of Adam.. the first man on this earth.
But I never heard vice-versa words.
Its not the matter of being honest muslim... first we should be only Honest.
RE:RE:RE:ABOUT AURENGAZEB.
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 06:29 AM Permalink
What you claim doesn't make sense, it was the Muslims that demanded the partition of India not the Hindus. Have you go selective amnesia ?
Hindu people and nation of Bharat as a collective entity needs answer, and they deserve the TRUTH thats being intentionally destorted and hidden behind the walls of sickularism minority appeasement etc. at the end of the day, India is a Hindu majority country (and thats why secular), and record MUST be set straight viz a viz its past. and if India is developing so fast, its Hindu economy, if you please. no one is saying stop development and build temples on their original places(kashi ayodhya mathura and more). they can happen in parallel. the bigger picture is here of identity and national character. japan is japan, coz of its inherent japanese culture and ethos, so are other countries like china russia rome or saudi arabia. likewise, India has its very own culture and heritage(land of indic religion-namely sanatan dharma, buddism, jainism, sikhism). realising that to be its orginal identity and learning the 'true nature' of islamic rule in India is not only important, but becomes very relevant in the present geo political scenario. its a moral obligation upon every indian to pass on 'history of india as it was'.
we are not atheist communist from china, for Lord Rama's sake. we will have ayodhya mathura kashi , just like muslims have their makka, xians have their vatican, sikhs have their golden temple in amritsar. its only justified to the majority of people. israel is the homeland of jews, so is India homeland of Hindus(incld. jain,buddist,sikh). muslims and christians are over privilleged guests alongwith communists.
There should be a movement all over the world to expose and bring awareness in the whole world regarding:
1.islamic onslaught of India,
2.muslim agression on hindu culture,institution and religion throughout islamic rule
3.Hindu holocaust by muslim invaders
4.plight of hindus in kashmir, pakistan, and bangladesh.
RE:To: Indians and others
by In on Mar 01, 2007 04:26 PM Permalink
Thats what u are mistaken; Muslim and christians are also Indian, they too have a valid Nationality. They are not guest they are here on this motherland since the time u are here. Furthermore India is a Democratic (secular) country. If u are trying to say it is Hindu country, u r hitting its democracy and secularity.
RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 04:54 PM Permalink
You are right they too are citizens and nothing is going to change that. But they are citizens of a country that is part of the Hindu civilization. The plurality that we all enjoy is thanks to the core principles of this great civilization. In the same way that Saudi Arabia is is part of the Arab civilization and the intolerance that people suffer there is because of the Islam.
Why aren't Hindus allowed to construct temples in Saudi Arabia ?
RE:RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by In on Mar 01, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
I understand your feelings. but the reason is not Islam, it may be because of people there; there may be other wrong practices going on also. But I agree people should have the right and their place for worship. And this should not be interfared by anyone.
We should not copy what others doing, its not from Islam neither from indian civilization, ours is a great country and very soon we can make it more great at the top for the world to respect. Don't trow urself out and make others to misuse it, ur life is meaningful and is for some good purpose.
RE:RE:RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:08 AM Permalink
Well at least you acknowledge that the Arabs are stupid for not allowing temples and churches in their countries. But why are people like Dr. Naik justifying these practices like his 2 plus 2 equals 4, therefore you can't have a temple in S. Arabia. Then he goes on the say that Islam is the only way and its the rest of the world that needs to be brought to the fold of Islam . I'm not making this up, watch the video on YouTube for yourself. Isn't this based on the idea of Dar-ul-Harb and Dar-Ul-Islamic doctrine.
RE:RE:RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by Perv Sharma on Mar 03, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
We can make it great if we don't become slaves again. For that we need to have self-defence. Forget Aurangzeb we can, what about modern problems created by islamic followers starting from asking for separate land for Paki or threatening Civil War. Then Hindu Kashmiris being ethnically removed, then those wars right upto Kargil. Pakistan's denial about its involvement but the prime minister of Pakistan then went and signed teh Washington Accord the next day for withdrawal of some of the troops from kargil. These are the main reason for the hatred more than Aurangzeb and what he did. And to sum it U can see the denial that Aurangzeb never did any injustice. He did it because he was a king and he had to control. Well, then the people who say this should understand that Aurangzeb no longer rules India and the Hindus will be giving back a lot in return now.
RE:RE:RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by biju nair on Mar 01, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
When some body tells the truth these intolerents report abuse. They do all the propoganda. This is not their fault this all prone to happen in Kali Yuga. Refer the below link. http://www.adishakti.org/_/description_of_the_age_of_kali.htm
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by Name on Mar 01, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
No no, again one mistake here... Its only "Allah" will never allow people who add associates to Allah or do Idol worship. And this will be seen after the Day of Judgement (destruction of world - OR- Pralay).
So many times it has been written get info from authentic source.
RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by Chankya Pandit on Mar 05, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
India is a HINDU (majority)country, and thats why you are enjoying the 'democracy and sickularism'. I am not hitting on values and ethos of India, i am just proclaiming it by making it clear that whatever democracy etc India is, because of its essentially HINDU culture and civilisation. rest is the product of barbaric islamic invasions, imperialism, and distorted indoctrination (marism/communism)to the clueless masses of India. Yes, indian christians and muslims are indian ethnic group, and they carry indian nationality, but they will HAVE to live under the bigger umbrella of hinduism, as its majority religion and homeland of hindus. go to any other country in the world, and try to force your way of thinking, or living on their society, and watch what you get in return. thats why i said, xtians and muslims are pampered lots(brats), and they need to find their 'place' in society. India is not europe or america or saudi arabia. we are mostly hindu, and thats how we like it. live like younger brother with respect and dignity, not with the muslim mob mentality. and if you are finding it hard to digest, i will say it again- India is a HINDU country. relax, we are not eating others out, its just the fact. learn to live with it. and all your talk about democracy-India is because its mostly hindu. more clarification!
RE:RE:To: Indians and others
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 04:55 AM Permalink
India is a Hindu country take it or lump it. But it is secular. You can't wish away the 85% Hindus, the democracy that every citizen enjoys is because of the plural nature of the Hindu civilization. No amount of sophistry or chicanery can change it.
SHOULD WE LOVE EVILS, FALSEHOODS, UNJUST/CRUELS GUYS, RESISTING KINGS, AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME ON THE WAY OF PROPAGATION OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE?????
You should know.... Ashoka killed even more before he became Bhuddhist. Jews killed many more... and even tried Jesus. Brahmins killed many Bhuddhists during 50-300 AD. Chengis and Timor killed many more muslims. Godse/RSS killed Gandhi. and American/British CHEMICAL/BIOLOGICAL/NUCLEAR warfares have killed MAXIMUM (MORE THAN THE SUM OF ALL EARLIER ONES). even today they are killing for no reason.... only for OIL&Power.
RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
Sure non-muslims have indulged in wholesale killing, look at what the Nazis did to the Jews. Yes Ashoka killed thousands in battle before he became a Buddhist but he saw the evil of his ways and repented later. When are muslims going to do the same ? Lets start with you, since you've just discovered these facts.
What was Aurangzeb doing ? Are you trying to now claim that because Nazis killed Jews therefore it's OK for Muslims to kill Hindus and convert them to Islam ? Are you on crack ?
RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by In on Mar 01, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
Any one Muslim or non-muslim if he has killed/ troubled/ abused innocents; he did wrong/.. but why its been repeated in this civilized scientific world by Hindus and has enough support of good educated people also.
Don't dig the grave centuries old, lets make the todays world better.
I ofen hear from Muslim saying Indian as "Non-muslim Brothers". Because they believe they too are the decendants of Adam.. the first man on this earth.
RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:35 AM Permalink
Let me just point a lapse of memory here. Who demanded Pakistan ? Hindus or Muslims, what selective memory you have. This was not 500 years ago just recent history. Whats stopping the Hindus from believing that where the Muslims are in majority, they will not again start demanding a new Pakistan or Bangladesh ?
RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Perv Sharma on Mar 03, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
In
Pakistan was created not centuries before you was born, go to school and read the date it was created, go and read about kashmir (half of kashmir is with pakistan and one part of the Kashmir area conquered by Pakistan was handed over to China.
More than 3 Lac Hindus evicted from Kashmir probably during your youth. So, it's not a old grave. It's people with your attitude who have ended up doing this and hence ended up as slave.
RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Here is the true story as recorded by Muslims regarding what happened to Buddhists:
The story of an assault upon the Mahavihara at Odantapura, Bihar in 1198 was told long afterwards, in 1243 by an eye-witness to the Persian historian Minhaz. In his book, Tabaquat-I-Nasiri, he reported as follows (refer to Buddhist Monks and Monasteries of India, Part V, 3, by Sukumar Dutt):
%u201CMost of the inhabitants of the place were Brahmanas with shaven heads (monks). They were put to death. Large numbers of books were found there, and when the Mahammadans saw them, they called for some person to explain the contents. But all of the men were killed. It was discovered that the whole fort and city was a place for study (madrasa): in the Hindi language the word Bihar (i.e. Vihara) means a college.%u201D
In the destruction of the University of Nalanda, the same histor-ian recorded that thousands of monks were burned alive and yet more thousands beheaded, and the burning of the library continued for several months.
The extermination of Buddhist monks dealt a fatal blow to the organization of the Sangha in India. With the monks gone, no one was left to carry on their work or lead the demoralized laity who were forcibly converted to Islam or absorbed into Hinduism and Jainism.
RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
The unfortunate part is that you don't really know much about your own civilization. If you don't like the caste system by all means eradicate it from your life and start a campaign to eradicate it around the country. If there are other ills that you think need to be purged do it. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Hindu philosophy ranges from the Atheist to the polytheist, try and acquaint yourself with the Vedant, for a glimpse and see for yourself the heights to which the human mind can soar, savor the beauty of the language in which it is recorded. You will not be disappointed.
RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by In on Mar 01, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
U really read Vedas, good. Do u about Bhavishya veda and kalki avatar, Now can u tell the symptoms visible in Kalki avatars. And who resembled him exactly in the past.. As proven by some of the imminent pandits in India, like Ved Prakash Upadhaya.
You hv good scripts but u urself don't believe in it.. Bring out good from the script not bad from just anywhere.
As an argument to prove the authenticity of his research, Pundit Vaid Parkash quotes from the Veda, a sacred book among Hindus:
Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be the last Messenger / Prophet of Bhagwan (Allah) to guide the whole world. Afer quoting this reference the Pundit Parkash says that this comes true only in the case of Muhammed (saw).
According to a prophecy of Hinduism, 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'.
In the 'sacred' book of Hindus the father's name of 'kalki autar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat' and his mother's name as 'somanib'. In sanskrit, 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave. 'Vishnu Bhagat' therefore, in the Arabic language will mean Allah's slave (Abdullah). 'Somanib' in Sanskrit means peace and tranquilty which in arabic is denoted by the word 'Amina'. Whereas the last Messenger Muhammed's (saw) father and mother's names were Abdullah and Amina respectively.
In the big books of Hindus, it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. In this regard Pundit Parkash writes, "This is true and established only in the case of Muhammed (saw)".
Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be born in the respected and noble dynasty of his land. And this is also true as regards Muhammed (saw) as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah.
'Kalki Autar' will be taught in the cave by Bhagwan through his own messenger. And it is very true in this matter. Muhammed (saw) was the only one person in Makkah who has taught by Allah's Messenger Gabriel in the cave of Hira.
It is written in the books which Hindus believe that Bhagwan will provide 'Kalki autar' with the fastest of a horse and with the help of which he will ride around the world and the seven skies/heavens. The riding on 'Buraq' and 'Meraj' by the Prophet Muhammed (saw) proves what?
It is also written in the Hindus' books that 'kalki autar' will be strengthened and heavily helped by Bhagwan. And we know this fact that Muhammed (saw) was aided and reinforced by Allah (swt) through His angels in the battle of Badr.
Hindus' books also mention that 'kalki autar' will be an expert in horse riding, arrow shooting, and swordsmanship. What Pundit Vaid Parkash comments in this regard is very important and worth attention and consideration. He writes that the age of horses, swords, and spears is long ago gone and now is the age of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, and guns, and therefore it will be unwise to wait for 'kalki autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears. In reality, the mention in our books of 'kalki autar' is clearly indicative of Muhammed (saw) who was given the heavenly book known as Al-Qur'an.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Name on Mar 01, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
The above text is the outcome of your Bhavishyaveda amd kalki avatar; look into the net for Kalki Avatar by Pundit Ved Prakash.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:20 AM Permalink
For one most people who say go and read this or go and read that haven't actually read it themselves. Since there is no Bhavishya Veda, I suspect you haven't read it either, because there is no such Veda. Even though this is grounds to ignore your post, I'm curious. There is a Bavishya Purana, I'm assuming you are referring to that.
Just some (general) fallacies in your claims You are assuming that non-muslims accept Muhammad to be some sort of Avatar.
Vishnu -> Allah , what non-sense. The highest force according to Hinduism is Brahman not a Mr. God. Brahman is Nirgun and Nirakar. That alone shoots to bits this ridiculous claim by Dr. Naik. This concept of Mr. God comes from the Abrahamic tradition, the equivalent in Hinudism are the deities which are lesser than Brahman. So by your logic Muslims are Hindus and should be absorbed as another sect of Hinduism.
Given that you don't understand such a basic fact about Hinduism, it seems pointless to continue.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
Here is the core argument, the rest is just too painful to inflict on more intelligent readers. Frankly I actually feel foolish refuting the claim, the claims is so bloody stupid.
" In the books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as Vishnubhagat and Sumaani respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names, we shall come to a very interesting conclusion, e.g. take Vishnubhagat: Vishnu (meaning god) Bhagat (meaning slave) = Allah (in Arabic) = Slave of God = Abdullah (in Arabic). Sumaani = Peace or Calmness = Aaminah (in Arabic) "
Let me show you the this stupid technique in reverse first:
Lets look at the name Muhammad. He was a man who claimed to be the messenger of God, now if we look at his name we can see something very interesting.
Mu = (I) just like the French Moi Ham = as in pig meat, loved pork Mad = as in English insane
Given that his name means I ate ham and that I'm mad we can draw the conclusion that Pork is bad for you.
People are mis-understanding the religion of Islam. That too, only few people b%u2019cos, even in these days of Muslims%u2019 spiritual/social degradation and media-hatred towards it, Islam is the largest growing religion in America, Europe, Asia and everywhere.
Basically, Islam respects all the earlier faiths and religions. It propagates peacefully and never teaches to hurt/kill others until some body comes on the way of its peaceful propagation. And Islamic Rulers always try to expand their empires being within the basic rules of Warfare.
%u201CTRUTH is as old as mountains%u201D. Prophets, Preists and Saints only come to REVIVE it and REMIND the people, who have got the nature of forgetting/distorting the Truth for SELF-benefits to pursue their Evil-goals or Egos.
This is what Islam does to Revive the Truth and improve the Faith, Personal/Social Habits, spiritual level even within the MUSLIMS as well as Non-muslims.
Islam always talks in terms of Evil vs Pious, Satanic vs. Sacred, Just vs Unjust and Peace vs Violence in every aspect of the SELF, SYSTEM and SURROUNDING.
And because, these terms are more SPIRITUAL than material/psychological, it derives the GUIDELINES from DIVINE sources like PROPHETS/PREISTS and divine book of KORAN. This is the ONLY book which is PRESERVED inside millions of hearts/minds, as it was at its origin. So, no distortion is Ensured by the Practice of Memorisation.
KORAN calls for JIHAD against those evils/satans/unjustness/violent-ego of the SELF, the SYSTEM and the SURROUNDING equally. Methods of JIHAD are many. KILLING within the rules of warfare is also one of them. It is to bring mainly LARGER PEACE&JUSTICE and can be against anybody either Arab-Kafirs, Muslim-Yazeed. %u2026 ResistingBrahmins%u2026. Tribal-ChengisKhan%u2026. or any modern evil.
IT IS NEVER FOR FORCEFUL CONVERSIONS OR INNOCENT KILLINGS.
Otherwise%u2026. Islam never would have prevailed all over the world and people never would embrace it at least in these days.
evry body would say..... this is the case of TRUTH PREVAILS.
RE:ISLAM AND JIHAD%u2026%u2026 please try to understand.
by In on Mar 01, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
Yes ahmed, and it is very much evident from the recent past also; every one is aware of who are killing the innocents.
RE:RE:ISLAM AND JIHAD%u2026%u2026 please try to understand.
by In on Mar 01, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
Not only innocents but innocent people, innocent women and innocent children.
--What a Justification ???
According to Islam innocents should not be troubled.. and only in case of Muslims innocents and civilians are troubled. Why don't they punish/attack the real terrorists. Why innocents???
RE:RE:RE:RE:ISLAM AND JIHAD%u2026%u2026 please try to understand.
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:22 AM Permalink
Why are my replies and quotes from Koran reported as abuse. They've come from http://www.quoranbrowser.com. Are all the Suras from the Koran now seen as abuse. LOL.
Then what are rich muslims doing in western countries which each and every muslim hates from within. What are pakistani doing in every western country. In Fact living as refugees and eating free. Well! Greed has no end as written in hindu scriptures. Atleast these hindus are working to get the money.
RE:Hindus as slaves in Arab land
by In on Mar 01, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
Good Lalach buri bala hai.. Its in Islamic scripture also.. Also there are so many things for not killing of innocents also..
"Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Indeed God does not love transgressors (Koran 2:192-193)."
If the people you are fighting ask for peace, the Koran states that Muslims have an obligation to accept the peace and fight no more:
"..So if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace. God allows you no way against them (KORAN 4:90)."
The Koran is very lenient even towards prisoners of war (i.e those who are fighting against you and get captured):
And if any of the idolaters seeks of you protection, grant him (her) protection
Islam in History The west has generally nurtured and propagated the idea that Islam spread at the point of the sword.
This reasoning led to the prejudice of Islam and Terrorism taking root in western society throughout Europe and America because of the random acts of a few misled, ill informed, Koranically uneducated people who called themselves Muslims.
The Koran is explicit on the freedom of conscience:
"There is no compulsion in religion. Truth is clear from falsehood (KORAN 2:256)
"Let him (her) who will believe, and let him (her) who will disbelieve." (KORAN 18:29). "You are in no way a compellor over them; but warn by the Koran him who fears my threat (KORAN 50:45)."
History gives a lie to the "fairy tale" that Islam spread by the sword: 1)Muslims ruled over Spain for 736 years. If the Muslims had used any force during those 736 years to convert the Christians to Islam there wouldn't have been a single Christian left to kick out the Muslims after 736 years of rule. 2)Over 100 million Muslims live in Indonesia, yet no Muslim army ever invaded any of its over 2000 islands. Same is the case with Malaysia, and the east coast of Africa.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
Since my previous quotes from the Koran posting was removed as abuse, just goes to show that even quoting the Koran is seen as abuse LOL.
Torment to Non-believers: SURA 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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by In on Mar 01, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
This is after the Day of Judgement. Its about Jahannam/ Narak/ Hell. And I think all religion discuss about the Hell.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
Perhaps your english is a little weak I will post the bit again: " ... We shall make them enter fire; ... ", who do you think is the we ? It is not a discussion about hell it is asking it's followers to send non-believers to hell.
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by In on Mar 01, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
No dear In Arab literature, Allah in Quran addressed himself as "We". This may be because of Arabic Grammar and Allah words. Read complete paragraph also.. instead take a book from Masjid for understanding or ask or fellow muslim friend.
The statement is w.r.t. Hell/Narak only. I know this. Cool down and read it again.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:24 AM Permalink
I did show it to an Arab native speaker and his comments are below:
"The 'we' refers to the the followers of Islam not to Allah himself".
RE:RE:RE:Hindus as slaves in Arab land
by In on Mar 01, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Thats why some people wrote u earlier on this page, take authentic and corrrect informmation and if possible take complete paragraph. Is this language diificult for u to understand. Eg. Muslims dont write anything bad, incorrect, incomplete and mark it as from any other religion Holy Book.
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by In on Mar 01, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Don't copy what someone else had claims from any source, it can be false claims also; i think u know the authenthic web sites also as written by any one on this page... open ur eyes 'n ears, read full paragraph and then make ur own claims..
Copy paste is true in case of soft-programming, but in reality u should be honest/ and should have the capability of fair judgememnt.
RE:Hindus as slaves in Arab land
by Nawaz Haindaday on Mar 01, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
Mr. Sharma
If you have the guts to talk nonsense about our Prophet face to face, in person, I invite you to have lunch with me in Mumbai. I am sure, you will go away with a much better image of the real Islam, rather than commenting on the religion based on wrong facts. George Bernard Shaw had said, Islam is the best religion, but Muslims are the worst followers. Unfortunately, that is true to some extent. I await your reply.
