RE:BRAHEMINS-PRESS
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
Are you sure you're not hearing voices in your head ? Looks like Islam ver 2.0 is in the making here, how many 6 year olds do you plan to marry ?
RE:SEXUAL ABUSE OF DALIT
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
What's the point of this rant ? Are you upset that Muhammad was a pedophile ?
RE:SEXUAL ABUSE OF DALIT
by Krishna on Mar 07, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
VAJ, listen to me, go to a doctor and get some medication and GET WELL SOON! Sorry, i don't have bouquet to give to u.
In spite of the fact that Muslim Ummah is passing through a critical period in the present day world, there is a clear trend that Islam has become important and is playing a very important role in shaping the future of humanity. The anti-Islam propaganda has, in a way, helped people in seeking more knowledge about Islam. From the East to the West in every city and country, in every newspaper and TV programme Islam is the big question. More and more people are seeking solace in the shade of this Divine religion of peace, prosperity and salvation.
The West and others swears by human rights and democracy but promotes dictators and tyrants like Saddam Hussein to serve their interests. Take the case of Saddam: when he was no longer needed, the story of weapons of mass destruction was invented and Iraq was destroyed beyond recognition. So much so that up to now, according to recent revelations of British magazine Lancet, not less than 655,000 civilians have lost their lives there. This massacre of the innocents would put even Hitler and Stalin to shame.
Whrereever the injustice, atrocities, oppression
inequality Islam stands against the SATANIC FORCES. The right people take stand to coup against these Satanic forces. Whether it is ISRAEL, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, SHESHAN, PHILLIPINE OR ANY WHERE. they start jehad fighting against Evil forces.
AS long as the satanic forces remains the jehad will be their to crush.
RE:Read about ISLAM leave Muslims .
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
I'm surprised that you view the current negative image of Islam worldwide to be a boon to Islam ? So the WTC tragedy the London underground bombing, the Spanish train bombings , and of host of other Islamic terrorist attacks were really a marketing blitz, as part of Mr. Bin Laden's desire to encourage people to learn more about Islam. LOL
RE:RE:Read about ISLAM leave Muslims .
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Dear so called secular indian,
you people only surprised, but not take action against the imperialism and atrocities which the world poor people are facing. You people mentaly slave of british and american. you dont have courage to fire any shot against your maters. you and your police and army only can murdered and burned alive innocent infant, children, women and men in kashmir, gujrat, maharashtra, bhagalpur, Maliyana, and so many place. Still thinking you are secular ?? It means you are lost intelligence case. You need treatment.
RE:RE:RE:Read about ISLAM leave Muslims .
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Are you on crack ? Do you even bother read what you post here ? Before you get the urge to spill your ignorance and bile onto the world please think, if possible.
RE:RE:RE:Read about ISLAM leave Muslims .
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:18 AM Permalink
Mike Gandu, Do you have the courage to shoot your fanatic Muslim masters? Talking about our police and army, we at least are redressing the problem and punishing the guilty - count the innocent people your mujahideen/jihadis are killing
the debaters against islam will embrace ISLAM, the way.... JAIPAL YOGI and many more like him finally found the truth and embraced ISLAM. jaipal became ABDULLAH.
especially..... chetanainya bhai.... Mr. Secular bhai.....
RE:CELEBRATING 1000 MESSAGES ON AURANGZEB AND ISLAM
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
If they have become muslims, god save you, because they will kill you - since they have become as fanatic as you
1089-1101 AD: King Harsha of Kashmir of the first Lohara dynasty indulged in ruthlessly looting the treasures of the temples of Bhimasai and also systematically confiscated and defiled the metallic statues of Gods by outcasts throughout the Kashmir valley in order to obtain the valuable material. He even imposed tax on the night soil. (Ref. Kalhana, Rajataran-gini, Vol. 1, sec. 5, Motilal Banarsidas, page 113)
Between 986 and 1192 AD several invaders plundered North India and took away a lot of movable wealth. These kings included Sabuktagin and Mahmood Ghaznavi (who ruled Kabul between 998 and 1130 AD).
%u2022 642 AD: Pallava king Narasimhavarman I looted the image of Ganesha from the Chalukyan capital of Vatapi (present day Badami in Belgaum dist.)
%u2022 692 AD: Chalukyas invaded North India and brought back to the Deccan what would appear to be images of Ganga and Yamuna looted from defeated powers.
%u2022 8th century AD: Bengali troops sought revenge on King Lalithaditya%u2019s kingdom in Kashmir by destroying what they thought was an image of Vaikunta the state deity of Kashmir kingdom.
%u2022 9th century AD: Rashtrakuta king Govinda III invaded and occupied Kanchipuram which so intimidated the King of Sri Lanka that he sent Govinda (probably Buddhist) images representing the Sinhala state.
%u2022 Rashtrakuta king Indira III not only destroyed the temple of Kalapriya at Kalpa near the Jamuna river, patronized by their deadly enemies, the Pratiharas, but they took special delight in recording the fact.
%u2022 9th century AD: Pandyan King Srimara Srivallabha also invaded Sri Lanka and took back to his capital golden Buddha image.
%u2022 Early 10th century, Pratihara King, Hermabapala, seized solid gold image of Vishnu Vaikunta when he defeated the Sahi kings of Kangra (Himachal Pradesh)
%u2022 Early 11th century: Chola King, Rajendra I furnished his capital with images he seized from several prominent neighboring kings: Durga and Ganesha images from the Chalukyas, Bhairava, Bhairavi and Kali images from the Kalingas or Orissa as Nandi image from the Eastern Chalukyans. (Ref: David Gilmartin and Bruce B. Lawrence (ed.), Beyond Hindu and Turk, University Press of Florida, 2000.
In short, the temples were the sites where royal authority was challenged before the arrival of Muslim Turks in India. This generally happened with early Muslim rulers. But this practice declined after Muslims began to wrest territories and rule from the territories held by their preceding Muslim rulers.
Aurangzeb Never leave Temple and Mosque
It was not merely temples but even mosques were not spared if the Muslim emperors suspected their edifices being used for purposes other than worship. Aurangzeb ordered the demolition of Jama Masjid of Golconda after sacking the Qutb Shahi kingdom in 1687 to get access to the revolts and treasure that lay beneath the mosque floor.
It will be less than fair to attribute desecration or defiling of religious places to bigotry and hatred. It owed much to the customs of the age whereby vanquished kings had to be divested of the religious halo and authority. Rulers, Hindu or Muslims, followed the practice regardless of their own religious beliefs.
RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
Perhaps the equivalent example will be if killed Muslims for refusing to convert to Hinduism.
RE:RE:RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by santan g on Mar 07, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
Yah, yah! the black, broken and shapeless stone that holds you know what in a deserted place holds every thing right
RE:RE:RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:27 AM Permalink
Isn't the Ka'aba a lifeless stone?
RE:RE:RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
Are you paying me a compliment or abusing me ? How many Jewish people have you met in your life ? LOL
RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:26 AM Permalink
Islam wipes out not just the religion but also the culture (as can be seen in Egypt, Iran etc.) which is not the case with Hinduism
RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
The internecine warfare between the Hindus is of no relevance when talking about Islam and what the Muslim kings or raiders did. It's for the Hindus to sort out amongst themselves. We are concerned with the looting and killing of non-muslims in the name of Islam as ordered by Muhammad in the Koran.
RE:RE:Why blame only to Aurangzeb History full of this practices
by Rationalist on Mar 10, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
FIY the Ganesha looted from by Narasimhavarman was established & even today is worshipped, it was not destroyed, same is the case for most of what u have mentioned.
Aurangzeb (1656-1707) ordered the local officials in Benares to protect the temples and Brahman temple functionaries. (Ref. Firman ordering mansabdar Abulhasan in Benares dt. Feb. 28, 1659, quoted by the Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Page 689-90, 1911)
Mughal officials repeatedly oversaw and on occasion even initiated the renewal of Orissa%u2019s cult, that of Jagannath in Puri. By sitting under a canopied chariot which accompanying the cult%u2019s annual car festival, Shah Jehan%u2019s officials ritually demonstrated that it was the Mughal emperor operating through the appointed officers (mansabdar), who was the temple%u2019s and hence God%u2019s representative.
RE:Is he destroyer or safer?
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Just like his apostle, he probably started out making conciliatory noises. In the same way that the Koran makes positive noises about "to you yours and to me mine" but as Muhammad become more and more powerful the Koran verses became more and more bloody and intolerant.
In 1669 Aurangzeb issued a general order for the destruction of Hindu temples, and it is estimated that about 3000 temples were destroyed and converted into Mosques in the 750 years of Muslim rule in India. During the sultanate and later under Aurangzeb, many hundreds of thousands of Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam. The sentences of criminals and prisoners of war were ruthlessly executed with mercy and allowances only available to individuals embracing Islam. The Jaziya tax was both a heavy financial -burden and a badge of inferiority borne by the Hindu, which also stimulated conversions to Islam. In the 1860s a Muslim cleric in the Punjab region of India launched a murderous jihad initially against Sikhs, and then against all non-Muslim groups. In South India in 1921, jihadists carried out massacres, the forced conversion of Hindus, and the desecration of Hindu temples. The number of casualties over the centuries are at least and order of magnitude greater than suffered by the Jews in the holocaust, and the ongoing conflicts have been key to the economic and social disadvantages of Indian society. Although Indians are an industrious and educated people, the social, political, and economic costs of the ongoing conflicts are the cause of its poor economic performance compared to other industrialized nations.
RE:Is he destroyer or safer?
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
Perhaps the equivalent example will be if he killed Muslims for refusing to convert to Hinduism.
Facts and figures are created and destroyed by humans other than one thing The Quran has remained "1". No second version to it. and it will remain "1" till the doomsday. We know about the history texts being manhandled By the Government of India. We know about the facts about WMD's in Iraq. Like wise all other facts from Islam has been fabricated and forward. The world today has turned a blind eye to these truths(yellow journalism). (many to discuss and debated). Despite all such propogandas, Islam remains world's fastest growing religion.(Every one has to digest this fact).If Islam is so bad then why are so many people reverting to islam??Millions of hindus do it, christians do it, buddhists are reverting.Why?
WE all are in a hypnotism. A Hindu should ask A R REHMAN about his Islam.Let's stop raising such issues amongst each other. I know one thing . Islam is not what it is. It is just 1% of what it actually is. Islam is like a car and the muslims are just drivers. Please dont judge the car by looking at its drivers.
Islam is the way of life. There are many things which is unique in islam. Islam tells us to give respect everything , and i challenge that it is the only secular religion. No other religion or its texts are so secular as islamic texts are. Question will keep prompting up with every answer.It is up to the individual whetther he wants to know about islam and accept it or not.
Islam clearly specifes that
"there is no compulsion in religion".And Allah has taken the responsibility of keeping his Religion in this world. The world is full of hatred for the muslims. The acts of the muslims have brought bad name to the religion. there are millions of hindus out there who acknowledge that Islam is the best religion , but due to theire forefather's and their rituals they are unable to break away from the religion of hinduism.May Allah guide them to the truth is what a muslim can pray for.
Allah is showing the proof of his existence by bringing and establishing the Islamic ways. whatever the world says they can never play areound with the fact of Circumsion which is a muslim practice. It remains a mystery how it save a person from AIDS. and that too 50 % prevention.
This is just one fact which i am putting forward.There are millions such facts.To understand Islam one needs to know islam and then apply logic and rationale to it.This certainly will give the answers to the questions lingering in mind.
May Allah guide all the people to the truth and save all from hell fire.
RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Mohammed majid on Mar 07, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Mr. Subbu, FYI, Islam is first religion on the face of the earth..it is since ADAM (pbuh), many prophets came after him..U probably know some of them like Noah(PBUH),Abraham (PBUH),Moses(PBUH),David (PBUH),Jesus(PBUH) & Finally Mohammad (PBUH) they all conveyed the same message. But the people distorted it at a later time.. there are 4 (revelations)books came from God almighty, Zabur, Torah,Gospel & Quraan, Quraan is Last & Final Testament from God almighty.. Revealed to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). And God had taken the responsibility to keep it's contents intact..."the proof for this is enough that many people by hearted it.. even if all printed media and electronic formated media destroyed still quraan remains in the hearts and minds of the people." There is a verse in quraan, God almighty asks the mankind "we have made the quraan easy to by heart is there anyone can by heart it?. and u talked abt womens' rights, don't talk vague...let's talk what hinduism has the rights for women and in islam this is how u can do the benchmarking... I've seen most of the hindus doesn't know abt their religion they think that what they are doing (their practices) is hinduism...Read your scripture and quraan aswell understand it..then justify...don't look at the evil doers and justify one's religion on that base...
RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
But how do you know that Adam was the first guy on earth ? Did you go to school and learn about something called evolution ? How do you know god exists ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Mohammed majid on Mar 07, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
In my statement i didn't mention that Adam is the first man..u only telling me...where have u got learned this from? you give some examples that god doesn't exists...this is a long debate..which can't be done here... abt the theory of evolution.darwinism.. tht's a theory..no practicality in that. it's already been proved wrong.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Secular Indian on Mar 08, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
You are the one claiming the existence of GOD, therefore the onus lies on you to prove your claim. Where do you critters come from ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Rationalist on Mar 10, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
Adam is itself a fiction with which Christians were fooling around their followers u r still hanging on to it arguing which itself very weak & u r bound to fall down.Ur arguments r all superficial.
RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
1. We don't know if god exists 2. How do you know it's a man 3. How do you know he made the universe ? 4. Who made god ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by rar on Mar 07, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
Read Quran U will Understand. Why God Made this World? Who Made God? U get reply of all your questions. God Send Quran for the whole universe not just only for muslims.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
I have and the Koran doesn't have the answer, it simply says trust me, and I don't.
RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by imtiyaz dar on Mar 07, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Mr. Subbu hatred has made you so blind the you fail to differentiate between conversion and birth. It appears both Ayatul and have kind of militant tendencies the price for which is always paid by innocent.
RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Rationalist on Mar 10, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
Greatest flaw in Islam is that even Allah is a muslim. Dude, religion is for Humans.Then what is difference b/n humans & GOD. For Hinduism all GODs r same. It is only ur perception. Even if u pray in name of Allah Hinduism can accept. It does not go by names.
RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by santan g on Mar 07, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
good for you taqiyah expert.Doing it just right taqiya as taught to you all by you know who.
RE:RE:TRUTH TRIUMPHS
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
If all the drivers of the car are rash/fanatic, it should be accepted that there is something wrong in their learning (Islam). Islam was the latest of the West Asian religions based on a false story of Adam & Eve.
RE:Francois Gautier
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
When you treat women in general like as if they were your animals (?camels) I don't think you should comment about others. Why animals - because you sell your daughters, because you marry as many women as you like, having upto 4-7 at a time and divorcing any of them by just saying, 'Talaaq' thrice
RE:SHIT
by rar on Mar 07, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
DEVDASI (LEGALISED PROSTITUTION) Who created Devdasi and Jogins? The Brahmins. For whom? Certainly not for go-but on Gods behalf-for the high cast priests. Who are the priests? The BRAHMINS. Where so the Devadasi and Jogins come from? The low caste Hindus (Shudras)
RE:RE:SHIT
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 08, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
When you treat women in general like as if they were your animals (?camels) I don't think you should comment about others. Why animals - because you sell your daughters, because you marry as many women as you like, having upto 4-7 at a time and divorcing any of them by just saying, 'Talaaq' thrice
Ur context is wrong. please understand the facts then keep your points.I dont know which context u are talking about where islam teaches one to be unfaithful to wife........are u talking about polygamy.
