Although some may agree that Aurangzeb was a cruel ruler, he was not an ideal example for Islam, so the writer must not generalize Islam everywhere with the Islam followed by Aurangzeb, because he didn't follow the religion correctly. Truly Aurangzeb didn't represent the true face of Islam, so please don't think of Islam as represented by Aurangzeb. Islam is a religion of peace and not violence. Islam also says that we Muslims should stay in harmony with other religions and not force them anything. But there are some people who spoil the name of Islam by not following it correctly, as is also the case with other religions like Hinduism, Christianity, etc...
The writer also does not have the undertsanding of the religion of Islam and hence should not tell that the religion is not relevant in today's world. Islam is very relevant in today's world ( even if the scriptures had been written 15 centuries ago ) and needs to be followed correctly ( not adopted to todays' situations ) to make this world a better place for all of us to leave peacefully.
RE:Not all opinions by the writer are correct
by Sanjeev Sharma on Mar 07, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
most of ideal rulers in Islamic civilzation (no pun intended) had been exemplarily cruel.
only people who could defeat them in war were those who were even more cruel then them. The crusaders even devoured dead bodies of their muslim victims. And Genghis Khan (not a muslim) is famous for his cruelty. He led mongols to the destruction of Baghdad, then the seat of biggest islmic ruler.
RE:THE GREAT EMPEROR ''AURANGZEB''
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
DEAR CHAITANYA KUMAR,
NOW I AM OUT SIDE MULLAH SOURCES. NOW I AM YOUR SIDE. ASKING ONE QUESTION :
One such belief that is often quoted in discussions on homosexuality is the one surrounding the worship of Lord Ayyappa. Ayyappa, also known as Hariharaputra and Manikantha, is worshipped mainly in South India. Medieval texts narrate how Lord Ayyappa was born of the sexual union between two male gay Gods Shiva and Vishnu when the latter temporarily took a female form. To date the worshippers of Ayyappa are mainly men, pre and post-pubertal women but he is also found to be popular with gay men. Strange no one explains why Ayyappa's rituals exclude sexually active women!
The Muslims were calling Hindi, Hindu and Baharat. Because our land full of Spice and also our colour of skin. When persian come they called HINDUSTAN. THE english called Indian because we are abiding Indus Valley. From where Hinduism come. The culture of Hindus is regarded is Hinduism. The Arayans who carried their books and system mixed with local culture and put some rituals. There was no temples before. The study says there was no temples. The Ayothiya they talk about there is city near Thailand called ayothiya there are temples and their people still play ramayan there. They are invaders. To save their community they put caste system and secure their bread and butter. Dravidians we south Indians are the real heirer of the present land.
RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
i don't think any clear disntinction can be made. Aryan and dravidian theory was rubbished by many. You can hundreds of millions of darker skinned in North India and tens of millions of people South India who are relatively lighter skinned to the former. Indian people are more or less brown skinned and that is what they are recognised for. Not aryan and dravidian.
RE:RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
You Muslims, all you try to do is divide people by writing such meaningless crap. Why don't you read something outside mullah sources to get more information.
RE:RE:RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
DEAR CHAITANYA KUMAR,
NOW I AM OUT SIDE MULLAH SOURCES. NOW I AM YOUR SIDE. ASKING ONE QUESTION :
One such belief that is often quoted in discussions on homosexuality is the one surrounding the worship of Lord Ayyappa. Ayyappa, also known as Hariharaputra and Manikantha, is worshipped mainly in South India. Medieval texts narrate how Lord Ayyappa was born of the sexual union between two male gay Gods Shiva and Vishnu when the latter temporarily took a female form. To date the worshippers of Ayyappa are mainly men, pre and post-pubertal women but he is also found to be popular with gay men. Strange no one explains why Ayyappa%u2019s rituals exclude sexually active women!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
So what's wrong with Ayyappa if he is what he is when you don't know the rational behind any of his story. There are more than 30 million Ayyappa devotees in India and i am sure they would like to hear the same to story from your mouth. Where do you live hero.
RE:RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 07, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
The message is simple that Hinduism is not a religion. It is culture. Brahmanism, Jainism, Budhism are religions. The message loud and clear.
RE:RE:RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by sandeep bharade on Mar 07, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
How much of all of us knows there Religion fully and follows it?
RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by Perv Sharma on Mar 09, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
Another story from a Mullah follower.
Read history then read and analyse. It's well known now that the world's first University was in Takshila around 670 B.C. Students from all around came to study at this university. There were students from Iran, and aroudn areas as well. That's one reason why you find the basic things have reached all around. That's one reason why you may find places and names similar to that of Hindus around. Nothing was invaded it was education going around.
The mullah followers think it was Islam which brought about education and blah blah around 670 A.D. and they are blindly agreeing because Islam kills the sense and intelligence of one's follower
RE:RE:Muslims give the name HINDI, HINDU, HINDUISTAN, BHARAT.
by Rationalist on Mar 09, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Add to that the sacred Black stone which is installed in Mecca is actually a Shiva linga. It was reffered to as "Makkesha Linga". Thats y they r used to build mosques over temples.
At least Rama was brave enough to own up he had a wife. Jesus Christ hid that from the world and posed that he had castrated himself to enjoy company of every woman he pleased
RE:Lord Rama braver than Christ
by Fauwad M Hurzuk on Mar 07, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
I havent seen a foolish and senseless response like this in long time.
RE:Lord Rama braver than Christ
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 07, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
We Muslims respect Jesus Christ and Ram. Holy Quran said that a prophet,warner,reformer sent every nation with Holy Message. ALLAH sent Holy Books and Prophets to every nation. We know very few. Our Scholar, like Moulana Moudadi said that respect other religions figures. Please take care thanks
RE:HINDUISM IS NOT A PRACTICABLE FOR TODAY!
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
You don't get it, Hinduism is not like Islam, people believe in different things, think of it as the Hindu civilization not Hindu religion. You will find whatever you are looking for in Hinduism. Tell us something new.
RE:RE:HINDUISM IS NOT A PRACTICABLE FOR TODAY!
by Vaj on Mar 07, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
So You Belive that hinduism Shoild not be looked as a Religion, It's Just myth.
RE:RE:RE:HINDUISM IS NOT A PRACTICABLE FOR TODAY!
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
You need education. There are mths in Scriptures, but it was a way to inform wise words by the sages and how they observe it. But not all are myths. Krishna was yadava and there are people belongign to such caste living still in India. They mention about people who live now in different parts of India in the scriptures. Even Manipur is mentioned in Ramayana.
RE:RE:RE:HINDUISM IS NOT A PRACTICABLE FOR TODAY!
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
It's a way of life, and at it's core are the Vedas, followed by the Upanishads, which are part of the Vedanta, or the end of the Veda. They are commentaries etc. on the Vedas, with much disagreement. Ram & Co. come much later and some people believe they are myths others don't, as per Hindu thinking to "each his own". So when you start spewing your ignorance on the world it doesn't actually make any sense. One could go so far as to claim that Hinduism has several religions that part of it's civilization. In which one can include all the sects that are closer to what the world sees as Hinduism and then the Jains/Buddhists/Sikhs etc. Which are part of the same tradition.
Like the saying goes "Ignorance can be fixed, stupidity can't"
Please read this: Some my friends of this blog are really lost intelligence case. They are telling muslims are killing muslims in pakistan. Tell me dear frankly. what do you think about Krishna ?? Who misguided pandwas to kill their brothers and sisters in for the tiny land of Hastinapur state. In this battle more than 10 billion innocent hindus murdered by hindus. And who ordered to kill ?? Krishna, the great adultrer and terrorist of the history.Was Krishna and Arjuna were Muslims ? Dont hesitate to accept the reality that in hinduism and hindu holy books are full of terrorism.This is not my wording. In reg ved so many place you will find terrorism and fanatics mantras.These quote you find in Vedas (rigved mandal 1 khand 103, Mantra 3)(rigved mandal 1 khand 130, mantra 8)(rigved mandal 1, khand 133, mantra 4 & 2) (rigved mandal 1, khand 147, mantra 7&8))(rigved mandal 10, khand khand 84, mantra 4)and so many many place you can find like these mantras. I assume vedas are ancient book of terrorist training manual.
RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by Sarnath Kannan on Mar 07, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
Hey Mike, I dont know if u r an Indian. So, Listen: The War of Mahabharatha was fought for Justice, the Dharma. It was not fought for religion. We hindus did not go around the world , colonizing and telling people that only Hindu gods r real. Beware of calling our god terrorist, you punk head!
RE:RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 10:02 PM Permalink
OH HOOO, SO YOU WANT TO CLEAR THAT MAHABHARATA WAS FOUGHT FOR JUSTICE, THE DHARMA. YOUR ENGLISH IS VERY POOR. DONT YOU KNOW DHARMA = RELIGION ?
RE:RE:RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by rima gupta on Mar 09, 2007 12:53 AM Permalink
Dharma according to our religion has a higher meaning than just meaning one's religion. It means kartavya or duty of a person..a righteous act...which you will not understand. That's out of your scope as you people are never taught kartavya. And the meaning of righteous act is different for your religion...
RE:RE:RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 08, 2007 05:13 AM Permalink
ROFL - it's beyond your capability and comprehension, don't let your learning disabilities get you down. It's OK, Islam and the inbreeding that comes with Arab culture does that to you, we all understand, it's not your fault.
RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by sandeep bharade on Mar 07, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
Oh! What a talent! Its Baghvad Geeta one follows and not a Mahabharat as Hinduism guidelines. Its like Constantine changing Christanity. You scholar if book says son was sleeping at top and mother laid on floor It dpends on the person what he will infer!
RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 06:06 PM Permalink
They are telling why Muslims are killing Muslims everywhere NOW. You are saying something about Krishna what he did thousands years ago. You are really a mental case.
RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by Sheikh Hasina on Mar 07, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
Mike Krishna told Pandavas to kill Kauravas in the epic poem Bhagawadagita, which is part of Mahabharata, which a piece of literature. You got your logic totally wrong. Do you mean to compare the crusades ordered by popes and islamic invasions and killing by muslims to some incidents in literature?
RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by Perv Sharma on Mar 09, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
Mike - U r first little intelligent muslim.
Now Pandavas and Kauravas is it. The Kauravas took the kingdom from Pandavas and were supposed to return the same after a definite period. Only when they went back on their word and greed was in their nature, the pandavas tried every possible way to reach the solution but to no avail. In the end - war is only the factor which would decide.
Similarly, Hindus have donated Land to Islamic followers to live in Pakistan. But, the greed of these islamic followers doesn't allow them to rest in peace. The moment the Hindus follow the saying of Krishna and fight the war on that principal there will be no more Pakistan. The 1971 war is a clear indicator that Pak was given a warning.
Did Krishna ask any one to convert in his teaching. No? He only preached that good must figtht to end the evil which unfortunately for the hindus and fortunately for Islamic followers the Hindus haven't followed. He taught that if the enemy cheats you have every right to cheat. Unfortunately the hindus again didn't follow this and paid a price for it. But, now well lets see what history does.
Now, Mike how about some questions about your prophet. Was he the same poor poor fella who married rather sold himself to a rich old widow as a sex slave. Wasn't it after he married this rich old widow that he started to travel around to jerusalem. Is it one of the reason every jehadi is promised a virgin in Heaven because your prophet couldn't get one on the earth. His dreams about virgin and he promised the virgins to others in heaven. By the way don't Muslims have virgins that they dream of getting only one in heaven by becoming Jehadis. Definitely these jehadis know where the muslim girls loose their virginity.
RE:Emperor Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
Some of the crap that you go on about doesn't really bother Hindus, except perhaps caste, which puts Hindus on the backfoot. However as Dr. Ambedkar notes in his book there are Hindus that are doing something about it. Unlike Islam which is beyond reform of any kind since its believers claim it's perfect. The day muslims understand this simple fact, that's the day they will stop blaming the rest of the world for their self inflicted misery.
Nothing wrong in you people worshipping Aurangzeb. You do that. Hindus will start worshipping Modi, Togadia and other such people who will clear the mess of Islam in India. I hope you realize where i am getting at. You worship Aurangzeb, and more Hindus worship their people who screw the Muslims in India.
RE:To all the jehadi nuts posting here
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 07, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
Dear chaitanya Islam does not allow to worship or pray other than ALLAH the most powerfull, Al-Mighty, Creator and Sustainer. Muslims Says Everything is God's and Everything is not God. We are not bother Modi or Togadia are becomind IDOLS we bothered that our brother going on wrong track. Allah Bless You
RE:RE:To all the jehadi nuts posting here
by Rationalist on Mar 10, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
Its not Islam that does not allow u ,Its Muhmamed. Allah is his creation & u people follow without self realization. He is like a sheperd & u r like sheep.
RE:To all the jehadi nuts posting here
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
The Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb (born 1618, reigned 1658-1707) is the most reviled of all Muslim rulers in India. He was supposed to be a great destroyer of temples and oppressor of Hindus, and a 'fundamentalist' too! As chairman of the Allahabad Municipality (1948-53), Dr Pande had to deal with a land dispute between two temple priests. One of them had filed in evidence some farmans (royal orders) to prove that Aurangzeb had, besides cash, gifted the land in question for the maintenance of his temple. Might they not be fake, Dr Pande thought, in view of Aurangzeb's fanatically anti-Hindu image? He showed them to his friend, Sir Tej Bahadur Sapru, a distinguished lawyer as well a great scholar of Arabic and Persian. He was also a Brahmin. Sapru examined the documents and declared they were genuine farmans issued by Aurangzeb.
RE:RE:To all the jehadi nuts posting here
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
you are at it again jehadi. Why don't you people behave like normal people. Why act crazy.
RE:RE:RE:To all the jehadi nuts posting here
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 07, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Shall i ask you? Why dont you behave properly or like normal. Abusing, confuse, helpless, muttering Mullah, Moulvi, Jehadi like Mantras.
RE:RE:RE:RE:To all the jehadi nuts posting here
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
farukhi pig, why don't you post sense to begin with. All your posts are incoherent. Learn to post in a not so discrete way first.
RE:What is wrong if the people respect the Em Aurangzeb ??
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
Nothing wrong in worshipping Aurangzeb. You do that. Hindus will start worshipping Modi, Togadia and other such people who will clear the mess of Islam in India. I hope you realize where i am getting at. You worship Aurangzeb, and more Hindus worship their people who screw the Muslims in India.
