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Aurangazeb
by Laligam Sekhar on Mar 09, 2007 12:40 AM  Permalink 

There is no doubt that Aurangazeb was bigoted, and anti Hindu. dara would have been a much better ruler. Unwittingly, Aurangazeb's actions brought down the Mogul empire, and allowed the British to consolidate their position in India.This is the ultimate effect of bigotry, and narrow mindedness.

There needs to be national reconciliation between Muslims and Hindus, and between "high caste Hindus" and "low caste Hindus". There is no such thing as high or low caste, or Hindu, or Muslim, or Christian, by birth. We can all become good or bad by our actions. This same truth is enunciated in the Bhagwad - Gita, by the Buddha, in the Koran, or in the Bible. All religious texts were written down by men or women, in response to what they perceived from God, or thought they did, in response to the needs of that time, and place. We should therefore consider religion and religious ideas as evolutionary.

If we all believe that God is one, and any one may worship in any form or under any name, and follow the right path towards themselves, their family, and others, all wars and fighting will disappear. You do not need to believe in God (can any one prove or disprove His existence and ways of action?), but if you follow the right path, then you will also achieve personal happiness, and promote the good of the society. This is what the Buddha concluded, after years of meditation and much suffering.

Instead of worrying about the temples that were destroyed, why don't we try to help the children of the world to grow up healthy, free of bigotry, and with food to eat, and schools to attend? Instead of tryingto go to heaven by blowing ourseves up in the name of religion, why don't we try to help our brother and sisters by building something for them or in their lives? ( has any one been to heaven and come back to tell others about it?) Why don't we play more cricket, or football, or whatever, and have ameal together than fight about our religious beliefs?

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Some Facts
by on Mar 09, 2007 12:34 AM  Permalink 

We are all human beings and hence brothers

We are all Indians are hence bothers

We are a progressive and emerging power and have APJ Kalam, a visionary, as our president.

We have the most diverse people and religious mix staying in one nation.

We are and should be a role model society for the world ( where all religions including muslims can stay in peace and harmony)

All Indians are safe in India ( including Muslims and other minorities, much safer than Middle East)

We can be proud of all Indians including Ashok, Akbar, Aryabhatta, Kautalya, APJ Kalam, Maulana Azad.

As Indians we should not support people who created pain for our fellow Indians including Aurangzeb, Mohammad Ghori. If these people killed Hindus and coverted them to muslims, then how can an Indian Muslim be proud of this act.

We should be proud of our present, our history and ancestory. We can never be intellectually liberated and independent if we seek virtues in Arabic traditions or American values. We have to learn to appreciate Indian values and traditions which are thousands of years old.

Vande Matram ( Mother , i salute you) and Jai Hind ( which is a country and not a religion)

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Mr. Francois Gautier after residing 30years in India and doing hard research work Doesnt know What Farmans and What is Farhans
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 08, 2007 11:02 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Read the following from the abover article. The Guy who is doing research work doesnt know What is Farmans. He is saying Farhans, Farhans. He is bogus, concocted, I doubt his work. May be the BJP Government in Rajisthan provided this FARHANS FOR HIS KNOWLEDGE. with rewards

Read Carefully


Thus, we thought we should get at the root of the matter. History (like journalism) is about documentation and first-hand experience. We decided to show Aurangzeb according to his own documents. There are an incredible number of farhans, original edicts of Aurangzeb hand-written in Persian, in India's museums, particularly in Rajasthan, such as the Bikaner archives. It was not always easy to scan them, we encountered resistance, sometimes downright hostility and we had to go once to the chief minister to get permission. Indeed, the director of Bikaner archives told us that in 50 years we were the first ones asking for the farhans dealing with Aurangzeb's destructive deeds. Then we asked painters from Rajasthan to reproduce in the ancient Mughal style some of the edicts: the destruction of Somnath temple; the trampling of Hindus protesting jaziya tax by Aurangzeb's elephants; or the order from Aurangzeb prohibiting Hindus to ride horses and palanquins; or the beheading of Teg Bahadur and Dara Shikoh.

The person doesnt know what Farman What is his research work. What is Farhan from where he got this, I think RSS providied. When people fabricate they make mistakes.

Rediffmail should take extra precaution.



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RE:Mr. Francois Gautier after residing 30years in India and doing hard research work Doesnt know What Farmans and What is Farhans
by Truth Teller on Mar 09, 2007 01:40 AM  Permalink
Very funny Mr. Rafi. Where does BJP or RSS come into picture? Why do you cry like this for a single word FARMAN? So do you mean to say that because he mispelt, FARMAN as FARHAN, whatever Aurangazeb did was correct? Arey, he is trying to give the true picture of Aurangazeb as a ruler and he is also trying to tell that you musalmans were once hindus who were forcibly converted to Islam. Am not saying that you have to go back to Hinduism. But if somebody is saying the truth, just sit back, relax and try to learn the truth. Am sure now somebody would surely report my answer as bogus. But I dont care. Its the curse in this country.

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RE:As I am reading more
by Sheikh Hasina on Mar 08, 2007 08:57 PM  Permalink
your interest in shiva is welcome. this is the start of your journey. you will receive all answers in due course. keep searching keenly for all answers, in fact, you might have those answers, but do not know the fact. it is also heartening that you are studying about shiv and shakti, which are one. shiva or shakti is not part of a trinity as you believe, but they are manifestations of the supreme brahman. keep on inquiring, answers will come

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RE:RE:As I am reading more
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 08, 2007 09:19 PM  Permalink
Hi you are again here. O Hasina, I do not know whose son was that, How she got him. Why Shiva was so angry and got mad. There might be the case of POLYANDRY. I know the what was that. thanks

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RE:As I am reading more
by Golu Gayani on Mar 08, 2007 10:11 PM  Permalink
You know whose are those deahds Shiva is wearing, terrorists and enemy of humanity like you.

Go ahead, bark and support terrorism, the porks would taste good, when they have human blood along.

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RE:As I am reading more
by Golu Gayani on Mar 08, 2007 10:12 PM  Permalink
Check the sites for OSAMA, and you would have a partner with you.

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This is Story of Mightiest God and Goddess.
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 08, 2007 08:11 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Lord Shiva, the Hindu God of death and destruction was away at a war. His wife Pavarti, who was a goddess in her own right, wished to bathe. Having no-one to guard the door to her apartments she conceived of the idea of giving birth to a son who could provide this service for her. Thus Ganesh was created, since goddesses have the power to do such things.

Pavarti gave Ganesh instructions that he was to stand guard at the entrance of her apartments and that he was to admit no-one until she gave word that it was OK to do so. Ganesh took up his post and undertook his assignment enthusiastically.

In due course the Lord Shiva returned from his war and went to enter. Ganesh, according to his instructions, forbade him entry. Shiva was enraged by Ganesh%u2019s impudence and drew his sword and cut off Ganesh's head.

Pavarti emerged to find Ganesh decapitated and flew into a rage. Even though he was immensely powerful Shiva was upset with Pavarti%u2019s rage. He swore to make amends by taking the head of the first living thing he found to replace Ganesh%u2019s head. The first animal he came across was an elephant. Accordingly he took the head from the elephant an placed it on Ganesh%u2019s body.

Thus Ganesh is depicted with an elephant%u2019s head. Because of his role as protector of Parvarti's door he is associated, in Hindu culture, with protecting entrances.

When I read such material, I feel I am geater than God Shiva. I will not kill innocent little beautiful boy just not allowing me to enter home. The power God should do something miraclous, that becoming invisible and entering home. Parvati so much powerful Goddess can creat could not know who was outside. Listening all but did know.
A layman think that the God and Goddess they could not help themselves when they were active and life and how can they help when they are no where.

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RE:This is Story of Mightiest God and Goddess.
by Perv Sharma on Mar 11, 2007 03:43 PM  Permalink
In March of 624, Muhammad led some three hundred warriors to loot on a Meccan merchant caravan (the first time he took the sword to loot).

A person who thinks a Looter to be a prophet of God and to have visited god only shows the your trueself.


The concept of God is thereby a alien thing to you a follower of a looter. To understand hindu gods - you need to see your senses which the followers of looters can't use.

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RE:This is Story of Mightiest God and Goddess.
by Rationalist on Mar 09, 2007 12:15 PM  Permalink
U idiot how can u kill when u have no capablity of creating or giving back the life u snatched, how foolish of u to compare urself with GOD.I think ur wisdom is at the same level as ur feet. First understand, there can be only one GOD, dont take these stories literally. U must first learn to understand the moral, it is not for entertainment mind u. Do u think these different GODs of different religion created a one kind of human, use ur common sense; which is not taught in ur religion to use I belive.

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RE:This is Story of Mightiest God and Goddess.
by Chandra Gowda on Mar 12, 2007 03:20 PM  Permalink
uneducated idiot what more to prove urself stupid,

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Reply to Pradip Tank
by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 08, 2007 08:01 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Try to speak truth. 99% percent occupied by Hindus print/visual all. 100 of channels. The media biased against Muslims. If something happen Muslims soceity anything any Muslim done they running east/west/noth and south to project Muslims and Islam.



1.The media controlled by Hindus and cover whatever to their interest and benefit.

2.The Law for Noice Pollution for Hindus, Muslims, Christian, Sikh, Jain, Budh all same. Their is no separate clause for Muslims.

3.The Animal slaughter rules and regulation applies to all. The Beef, Mutton, Chicken, Fish eat by everybody. Non-Muslims are eating more than Muslims. Majority of Muslims unable to afford Beef,Mutton,Chicken, Fish.

4.All 2/3/4/5 Star hotels serve these dishes and top restaurant serving dishes. Muslims having negligible access to these areas.

5.Anybody want to sacrifice animals their is no restritions. Hindus more free to do these things.

6.You can produce 2/3/4/5/6/7 there are no restrictiosn to Hindus/Muslims/Christian and others the restrictions applicable to all. Those who afford and doesnot want governament facilities they can take chance, Otherwise two only. The survey documented the Hidus having more children than Muslims.



7.We do not want to produce more children. When the young one joining to ISLAM and converting. Have you read 15,000 Hindus convert to Budhism in Gulbarga.



You people are simple disguise. Think other fools, whereas making yourselves fools. The RSS,BJP,VHP Bajarang Dal and many offshoots speaks the foolish talk.

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RE:Reply to Pradip Tank
by virender mann on Mar 09, 2007 08:08 PM  Permalink
Hi farooqui



I don't know which survey documents hindus havgving more childrens than muslims. See We all are friends but don't dissolve the facts. It is in govt data that after 1947 partition time 3 Crore Muslims and 30 crores hindus were in India, which has grown to 18 crores muslims and 80 crores hindus. It shows that muslims has grown six times where as hindus has grown by almost 3 times.



Take example of Pakistan where 50lakhs hindus stayed back which now shrinked to 30 lakh it means negative growth.



You can better understand how much tolerant hindu country like India is. if still you don't like the hindus and their country better leave to a good country, where you can grow.

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RE:RE:Reply to Pradip Tank
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 10, 2007 05:04 PM  Permalink
Dear Virendra,

You forget to count how many hindus deserted India and living permanantly in USA, UK, RUSSIA, SINGAP0RE, SOUTH AFRICA, GULF SAUDI ARABIA,MALAYSIA.



You are quoting the figure which you got from RSS gang.

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