The world's First University was established in Takshila in 700 B.C ( whereas the birth of Mohammed the prophet is around 700 A.D. - i.e about 1400 years after the university)
Students from all over the world aprrox- 10,000 studied in this university. That's one of the reason for finding even today so many Hindu names ariound Iran, Indonesia etc.
The university of Nalanda built in 4th Century B.C.
According to Forbes magazine the Sanskrit Langquage which is said to be almost 10,000 to 7000 years old or as Hindus know it - the language of the Gods is the most suitable language for Computer Software.
India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.
Ayurveda is the earliest school of Medicine know to humans.
The art of Navigation was born in Sindh around 5000 years ago. The word "Navigation" is derived from the sanskrit word " Navgatih"
The value of pi was first calculated by Budhyanan and he explained the concept of Pythagorean theorem. British scholars officially published in 1999 that he's works dates to 6th Century which is long before European mathematicans.
Algebra, trignometry, and calcus came from India. Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th century.
The largest numbers the greeks/romans used was 106 whereas hindus used numbers as big as 1053.
Most of these were translated by Islamic invaders and that's how these reached Europe.
And these Mullah followers are coming out and claiming scientific and all these as if it belongs to islam.
If a Mullah preaches these as Islamic then it doesn't become true.
The place system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 B.C.
Upto 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world - Gemmological institute of America.
In view of these -
WE owe a lot to the indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made
RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by tabrez durrani on Mar 11, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
Ya u said it right! we owe a lot to indians that doesnt mean present india it means the indian subcontinent and we all owe it to the indian civilisation and not any religion which includes some parts of iran (land of aryans), pakistan, afganistan, bangladesh, srilanka, and by the way sind river is in pakistan now. but some of your claims are wrong the number system which we follow through out the world r called arabic numericals the arabs discovered decimal point, the word ALGEBRA The name is derived from the treatise written by the Persian mathematician Muhammad ibn M%u016Bs%u0101 al-Khw%u0101rizm%u012B titled (in Arabic %u0643%u062A%u0627%u0628 %u0627%u0644%u062C%u0628%u0631 %u0648%u0627%u0644%u0645%u0642%u0627%u0628%u0644%u0629 )Al-Kitab al-Jabr wa-l-Muqabala (meaning "The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing"), which provided symbolic operations for the systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations.the arabs were the first to measure the distance between the earth and the moom in 800AD they were the first draw maps of land and sea for navigation. ALL of todays organic chemistry fundamentals are based on Arab research many terms like ALCOHOL, ETHERS, ESTERS,etc are arabic words and we cannot neglect the contribution of the europeans who shaped our mordern science and technology like television, computers,etc, chinese were the first to make a mechanical clock , egypitian invented the wheel and made pyramds 3000 years ago all these civilisation contributed in building up of the knowledge we have now SO mature up a bit see around u dont listen to crap, put ur time in doing some thing good for your country so that our great nation goes back to its glory days. and one last thing HINDU is not a religion it is a geographical term given to the people living between himalays and sindhu river in that way people living in the subcontinent irrespectie of their religion are hindu. the brilliant people in india call themselves hindu because they dont know the name of their religion isn't that genius
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by rajeev deshpande on Mar 11, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Hi Tabrez Its true that Egyptians built the pyramids thousands of years ago. It might also be true that Algebra originated in Arabia. But where is the Egyptian culture today? Where is the Arabic culture? Do we have religious freedom in Saudi Arabia? Does today's Saudi Arabia represent Al Jabr or does it represent Aurangzeb?
Hindus, fortunately, have preserved much of what was good, inspite of the Islamic aggression. Hinduism may not be a religion in the narrow sense, but isn't that good? That makes them less aggressive about spreading their own 'religion' and makes the world a much more peaceful place to live in.
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by Perv Sharma on Mar 12, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
Mullah Follower Tabrez Durrani writing a book in 800 A.D. Here are the facts again world history facts and not your Mullah Facts, you can put forth your papers is you think what you write is correct and correct the World's Histoy in this regard. If rejected, shut your mouth and then you are welcome to Hinduism because your Mullah's being preaching all wrong and it also rubbishes your Quran off ? if your Islamic brothers grant you permission.
Fourth century Author unknown Bakshali manuscript, written in Brahmi (a script in the Sanskrit language) in India, used a number system with base 10, and symbols of 1 through 9 and 0
499 A.D. Aryabhata the Elder (Hindu/India) Wrote a document titled "Aryabhatiya," which covered algebra, geometry, astronomy, and the Indian numerical system. The first 121 verses were written in Sanskrit, the next ten in Geetika meter, and the last 108 verses in Aryavrata meter. In this document, he calculated pi more accurately than the Greeks. Later, Indian mathematicians calculated the value to nine decimal places. Greek influence is evident in the document.
820 A.D. Abu Ja'far Muhammad Ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (Muslim/Uzbekistan) Translated the work described in "Aryabhatiya" into Arabic in a book titled al-Kitab al-mukhatasar fi hisab al-jabr wa'l-muqubala (The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing). The complete book was based on Greek, Hindu, and Babylonian sources. The Indian number system was called Hindustat by Arab mathematicians and became known as the Hindu-Arabic numeral system. After the book was translated into Latin in 1145 by Robert of Chester, it was introduced to Europe. The system then became known as the Arabic numeral system and eventually became the European standard. Al-Khwarizmi also wrote a book on astronomy and a treatise on algebra titled "Treatise on Calculation with the Hindu Numerals." No known copies of the Arabic version exist today.
Note: Many of the Egyptian, Babylonian, and Greek writings were placed in the Great Library of Alexandria. It was supposedly closed and partially destroyed in 391 A.D. by Coptic Christians, and the rest of the library was burned and completely demolished in about 640 A.D. by the invading Arab General Amrou (Amr?) under the orders of Caliph Omar (Umar?). However, it is claimed by some that the library was completely destroyed in 391. If that is true, how did several documents find their way to Byzantine and Roman scholars and in the fifth century? Some documents were eventually placed in the Vatican Library. It has been established that all the buildings were in ruins in 650 A.D. One can only guess how advanced the present day fields of science and mathematics would be if the library still existed.
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by Piyush Bhargava on Mar 11, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
Hinduism is a way of life and does not need the sword to propogate itself unlike Islam.
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by amjadhussain on Mar 11, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
From where you bring Hinduism. Hinduism name given by Muslims. thanks to Muslims. As long as you are following thankful to Muslims they give name to your cultural practices.
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by Secular Indian on Mar 11, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Just because they are called Arab numerals they are not "Arabic", that is what the Europeans called them as distinct to Roman numerals, this was because the Europeans were introduced to them via the Arabs. The decimal system is actually an Indian (Hindu) discovery. Interestingly most of what you call "Arabic" are actually Persian or Byzantium in origin. Al-Khwarizmi traveled to India to learn from the Hindus and he was not an Arab, Al-Khwarizmi was born in Khwarizm (now Khiva), Russia.
Regarding algebra it was not an "Arab" invention:
The history of algebra began in ancient Egypt and Babylon, where people learned to solve linear (ax = b) and quadratic (ax2 bx = c) equations, as well as indeterminate equations such as x2 y2 = z2, whereby several unknowns are involved. The ancient Babylonians solved arbitrary quadratic equations by essentially the same procedures taught today. They also could solve some indeterminate equations.
The "Arabs" get a pat on the back for acting as bees by cross fertilizing ideas between the East and the West. There own contributions are rather limited. What they didn't get from the Indians they got from the Greeks.
The religion of the Hindus is Sanatan Dharama it's popularly known as Hinduism but that in no way diminishes Sanatan Dharama.
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by Perv Sharma on Mar 11, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
These facts are related to an era when even your prophet wasn't born and there wasn't a religion called Islam.
RE:RE:Mullah myths regarding Islamic Education the earliest
by Piyush Bhargava on Mar 11, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
Well one thing is for sure.Numerals or no numerals.Islam is a barbaric religion and Yes HINDUISIM is a way of life.It survives against all odds and does not need the sword to propogate itself unlike Islam.
Aurangzeb (full name: Abu Muzaffar Muhiuddin Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir --Persian: %u0627%u0628%u0648 %u0645%u0638%u0641%u0631 %u0645%u062D%u06CC %u0627%u0644%u062F%u06CC%u0646 %u0645%u062D%u0645%u062F %u0627%u0648%u0631%u0646%u06AF%u0632%u06CC%u0628 %u0639%u0627%u0644%u0645%u06AF%u06CC%u0631) was the third son of the fifth great Mughal emperor Shah Jahan (builder of the Taj Mahal) and Arjumand B%u0101n%u016B Begum (also known as Mumtaz Mahal). After a rebellion by his father, part of Aurangzeb's childhood was spent as a virtual hostage at his grandfather Jahangir's court.
After Jahangir's death in 1627, Aurangzeb returned to live with his parents. Shah Jahan followed the Mughal practice of assigning authority to his sons, and in 1634 made Aurangzeb Subahdar (governor) of the Deccan. He moved to Kirki, which in time he renamed Aurangabad. In 1637, he married Rabia Daurrani. During this period the Deccan was relatively peaceful. In the Mughal court, however, Shah Jahan began to show greater and greater favoritism to his eldest son Dara Shikoh.
In 1644, Aurangzeb's sister Jahanara Begum was accidentally burned in Agra. This event precipitated a family crisis which had political consequences. Aurangzeb suffered his father's displeasure when returning to Agra three weeks after the event, instead of returning immediately on hearing of the accident. Shah Jahan dismissed him as the governor of Deccan. Aurangzeb later claimed (1654) he had resigned in protest of his father favoring Dara.
Aurangzeb's fortunes continued to decline. In 1645, he was barred from the court for seven months. Later, Shah Jahan appointed him governor of Gujarat. He performed well and was rewarded. In 1647, Shah Jahan made him governor of Balkh and Badakhshan (near modern Turkmenistan and Afghanistan), replacing Aurangzeb's ineffective brother Murad Baksh. These areas were at the time under attack from a various forces. Aurangzeb's military skill proved successful, and the story of how he spread his prayer rug and prayed in the midst of battle brought him much fame.
He was appointed governor of Multan alongside Osman Junaid and Sindh and began a protracted military struggle against the Safavid army in an effort to capture the city of Kandahar. He failed, and fell again into his father's disfavor.
In 1652, Aurangzeb was re-appointed governor of the Deccan. But both man and place had changed. The Deccan produced poor tax revenue for the Mughals. In his previous term, Aurangzeb ignored the problem, allowing state-sanctioned corruption and extortion to grow. This time Aurangzeb set about reforming the system, but his efforts often placed additional burdens on the locals and were poorly received.
It was during this second governorship that Aurangzeb first recounts destroying a Hindu temple. In addition, Aurangzeb's officers began treat
Aurangzed was an opportunitst. He used able hindus for his means and persecuted the poor ones for their religion. And in the name of Islam defended all his decisions.Why hindus are being appointed at high positions- Islam says so, why hindus are being persecuted- Islam says so.
Why do you think that hindus moved to North and towards Himalayas between 1500-1800 AD. If you go to Uttaranchal, you will find unusually high percentage of Brahmins. All of them fled other parts of India during muslim rule to escape persecution and conversion and getting killed. These people and many more would continue to hate Aurangzeg.
History is often not taught to us with facts and rather as a recipi made to please all, most of all the minorities.
RE:Mike Gandhi and History
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 11, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
Shivaji, Sikh guru gobindsing, dara shikoh etcs. were traiters and collaborators of enemy.In the american language they were enemy combatants. In Britsh point of view they were like Baghat sing, Ashwak Ullah Khan, Chandra Shekhar Azad and in the present situation of India they were like, Mabbool But, Afzal Guru, Dawood Ibrahim and Chota shakeel. That time they were anti national and enemies of Nation. Any ruler, Govt would have to do what Emporer Aurangzeb did. If you still dont understand and not accepting the truth then you are lost inteligence case and lost conscience.
RE:RE:Mike Gandhi and History
by Secular Indian on Mar 11, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
There is a difference between maintaining law and order and promoting a religious agenda. Aurangzeb's law and order problem was due to his religious agenda. Which was to convert Sikhs and Hindus to Islam.
Ok if aurangzeb was so great can i get answaer of these questions- 1. Why if sivaji paid salam hi thrice revolted again him and after sacrifice of shambhaji and other Maratha Nobles , Local maratha revolted heavily and aurangzeb had to spent 27 years unsucessfully quelling revolt finally he died in Aurangabad. 2. he had great hindu commanders working for him but what treatment he gave to them- Raja Jai was killed with poisonus Khliat(long over coat) and rajputs revolted under Durgadas rathotre 3. Jats revolted under churaman Jat . 4. Brutal assasination of Kasmiri Pandits for continuous 14 years (See gazette Burnier) 5.Killing of two brothers he was a real rascal who finished mugalia daur and put india under britsh rule in next 50 year after his death(1757 plAssey; 1707 death of AURANGZEB). any comment mike gandi
RE:Can Any One Explain
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 11, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
you will get the answer if you read schar committee report. more than 10 million muslim killed by anti national gang like rss, shiv sena, bazrang dal, vhp etc.
You know one senior judge recommend to death penality for corrupt and anti nationals. I think this is time to implemnt EMPEROR AURANGZEB'S STRICT RULES to punish anti nationals like Lalu, Badal, Sukhram, Dawood, Jailalita, Harshad Mehta, Rajiv Gandhi, Fernandses, Bangarro Lakhman, Bal Thakrey, Thugadia, Ashok Singahl, Imam Bukhari, mulam, mayawati and all corrept leaders those of looting India. Any suggestion pandey jee to save bharat mata ??????
I will give instances of barbaric torture by Aurangajeb henchman to poor Hindus.
1. Dont forget how all disciples of the ninth Sikh Guru, Guru Teg Bahadur, were executed by order of Aurangajeb.
The great Saint Matidas then handed himself to the executioner. He was to be bound between two pillars and cut in twain. When the saw was applied to his head, he calmly and serenely uttered: "Ik Onkar" and started to recite the "Japji" (Sikh Morning Prayer}. It is said that the body was cut in twain, but the Japji was all along heard being repeated by him, and it continued to be repeated till all was over. Thus the first sacrifice was completed.
Next, Bhai Dyal Das and Bhai Sati Das were executed. Bhai Dyal Das's hands and feet were tied firmly and he was thrown into a cauldron of boiling water. Not a sign of grief was uttered by this beloved disciple of the Guru. Bhai Sati Das, who was the younger brother of Mati Das, was ordered to be torn into pieces, and this cruel order was complied with by the authorities.
Guru Tegbahadur was beheaded, The Emperor had it announced in the Capital that the headless body of the "Pir of the Hindus" lies in Chandni Chowk. "He who wishes to cremate it may come forward and do so."
How was Chatrapati Sambhaji was tortured with brutal death. Sambhaji refused to convert to Islam, and instead sang praises of Mahadev. Aurangzeb ordered him and Kavi Kalash to be tortured to death. Sambhaji and Kavi Kalash were brutally tortured for over 40 days. The torture involved plucking of eyes, pulling out nails, scraping out large pieces of skin and dismemberment. Sambhaji succumbed to the cruel torture and final beheading on March 11, 1689 near the confluence of the Bheema and Indrayani rivers at Tulapur near Pune. In spite the long torturing, Sambhaji did not convert to Islam nor surrendered a single fort of his kingdom. In so doing he earned the title of Dharmaveer by which he is known to this day. Aurangzeb ordered to cut Sambhaji's body into pieces and throw it into river.
RE:This is reply to Mr. Mike Gandhi (Real Name : Jaffer Salim :))
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 11, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
fascinating story of teg bahadum, Dayal Das, Sati Das, and so many blam blam blam. But no reality. The reality is :
Shivaji, Sikh guru gobindsing, dara shikoh etcs. were traiters and collaborators of enemies.In the american language they were enemy combatants. In Britsh point of view they were anti national like Baghat sing, Ashwak Ullah Khan, Chandra Shekhar Azad and in the present situation of India they were like, Mabbool But, Afzal Guru, Dawood Ibrahim and Chota shakeel. That time they were anti national and enemies of Nation. Any ruler, Govt would have to do what Emporer Aurangzeb did. If you still dont understand and not accepting the truth then you are lost inteligence case and lost conscience.
RE:RE:This is reply to Mr. Mike Gandhi (Real Name : Jaffer Salim :))
by Secular Indian on Mar 11, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
There is a difference between maintaining law and order and promoting a religious agenda. Aurangzeb's law and order problem was due to his religious agenda. Which was to convert Sikhs and Hindus to Islam.
RE:This is reply to Mr. Mike Gandhi (Real Name : Jaffer Salim :))
by Srinand Kaushik on Mar 11, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
And also to his father ... and we have a road in Delhi in his name .. shame, shame
RE:RE:This is reply to Mr. Mike Gandhi (Real Name : Jaffer Salim :))
by tribhuwan pandey on Mar 11, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Further do not forget sacrifice made by jats and brihamins in Doaba(now UP), killing of Kashmiri Pandits, bruat murder of Sikhs and peasents in punjab. he was more cruel than hiltler only second to mangols(who were his fore fathers).
In a polarized world that we live in (which is, sadly, getting ever more polarized now by every minute and hour), we have often assumed that what is good for "our" people had to be bad for the "other" people. A glaring example is the personality of Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, who ruled India for 50 years. Of all the Muslim rulers who ruled vast territories of India from 712 to 1857 C.E., probably no one generates as much controversy as Aurangzeb. He has been hailed as anyone from a "Saintly or Pauper Emperor" to one who "tried hard to convert Hindus into Muslims." Depending on one%u2019s religious rearing, one will favor one view over the other. For example, most Hindus castigate Aurangzeb as a religious Muslim, who was anti-Hindu, who taxed them, who tried to convert them, who discriminated them away from high administrative positions, who interfered in their religious matters. On the other hand, Muslims consider him to be one of the best rulers who was a pious, scholarly, saintly, un-biased, liberal, magnanimous, tolerant, competent and far-sighted ruler. To prove the view of the former group, a close scrutiny of the Government-approved text books in schools and colleges across post-partition India (i.e., after 1947) is sufficient.1 The second group depends mostly on pre-colonial (and some pre-partition) history, land-grant deeds and other available records.
It is difficult to untangle this historical mess without scrutinizing the accusations against Aurangzeb rationally. Fortunately, in recent years quite a few Hindu historians have come out in the open disputing those allegations. For example, historian Babu Nagendranath Banerjee2 rejected the accusation of forced conversion of Hindus by Muslim rulers by stating that if that was their intention then in India today there would not be nearly four times as many Hindus compared to Muslims, despite the fact that Muslims had ruled for nearly a thousand years. Banerjee challenged the Hindu hypothesis that Aurangzeb was anti-Hindu by reasoning that if the latter were truly guilty of such bigotry, how could he appoint a Hindu as his military commander-in-chief? Surely, he could have afforded to appoint a competent Muslim general in that position. Banerjee further stated: "No one should accuse Aurangzeb of being communal minded. In his administration, the state policy was formulated by Hindus. Two Hindus held the highest position in the State Treasury. Some prejudiced Muslims even questioned the merit of his decision to appoint non-Muslims to such high offices. The Emperor refuted that by stating that he had been following the dictates of the Shariah (Islamic Law) which demands appointing right persons in right positions." During Aurangzeb%u2019s long reign of 50 years, many Hindus, notably Jaswant Singh, Raja Rajrup, Kabir Singh, Arghanath Singh, Prem Dev Singh, Dilip Roy, and Rasik Lal Crory, held very high administrative positions. NE
RE:THE LIES AGAINST THE MUGHAL EMPEROR AURNAGZEB
by Secular Indian on Mar 11, 2007 03:30 AM Permalink
Aurangzeb was a religious bigot and actively promoted forced conversions of Hindus to Islam. By passing discriminatory laws based on the Shariat he created the conditions for his administrators to actively pursue his forced conversion agenda. He didn't go from house to house to convert people he didn't need to his job was to create the conditions within which he plan would be implemented, thats what rulers do.
e.g.,
From "The Mughal Empire", John F. Richards. Pg. 176
Zealous imperial officers had considerable power to enforce the new edicts, especially among the urban non-warrior groups. At Surat in 1669 the qazi terrorized the entire Bania or Hindu merchant community of that city. He pressured several members of the community to convert to Islam and threatened others with forcible conversions unless they paid ransom money. He extorted other sums to prevent defacement of the Hindu temples and shrines in the city. The qazi forcibly circumsized and converted a Bania serving as a Persian writer or clerk, who then killed himself.
Regarding Jizya ...
.. the Hindus crowded from the gate to the fort to the Jama Masjid in large numbers to for imploring redress ... [Aurangzeb], who was riding on an elephant, could not reach the mosque...Then he ordered the majestic elephants should proceed against them. Some of them [Hindus] were killed ... at last then submitted to pay the Jiziyah.
Aurangzeb's ultimate aim was conversion of non-Muslims to Islam. Whenever possible the emperor gave out robes of honor, cash gifts, and promotions to converts. It quickly became known that conversions was a sure way to the empeor's favor.. In many disputed successions for hereditary local office Aurangzeb chose candidates who had converted to Islam over the rivals. Pragana headmen and qanungos or recordkeepers were targeted especially for pressure to convert.
Regarding Hindus serving for Mughal emperors especially Aurangzeb. These were alliances of convenience (in fact Indians should take note what happens when they fight amongst themselves). Aurangzeb had made the titles hereditary and the Hindu Zamindars wanted to legitimise their rule. Tactically this was a smart move by Aurangzeb to get the Hindus rulers into his orbit by getting them onside and then sorting them out one by one, divide and rule. Jaswant Singh is a case in point, just after he died all temples in his kingdom were destroyed. Earlier the mansabdari system too was created to incorporate these "civilized" and settled centres of society, by Akbar, it was based on sem-meritocracy to enable non-muslims to rise to a position of some power. Aurangzeb simply used it as a divide and rule instrument.
From: "Mughal warfare: Indian Frontiers and Highroads to Empire 1500-1700" by Jos J. L. Gommans. Page 40.
RE:THE LIES AGAINST THE MUGHAL EMPEROR AURNAGZEB
by Secular Indian on Mar 11, 2007 04:04 AM Permalink
I just realized that the Jaziyah argument cuts both ways, if as the author claims that it's a tax that non-Muslims have to pay for not joining the army, then that forces the poorer sections of society to convert or join the arm y therefore inflating the Hindu numbers in the army. This conclusively proves that the whole aim of Aurangzeb's reimposition of Jaziyah was win-win for him. Get the Hindus to convert or atleast get them to fight other Hindus and convert them.
RE:THE LIES AGAINST THE MUGHAL EMPEROR AURNAGZEB
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Mar 11, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
This Mike Gandhi writes absolute nonsense. For him Yahhya Khan who raped and plundered the Bangali Hindus followed by muslims was a kind hearted fellow who had no other choice but to rape them for their own good. Super trash of Mr. Gandhi should be kept in his attik for his grnad kids to perpetrate lies. Vijaya Kumar
