Yet another issue of conversion, almost all they came by Muslims only & next are chirstians....I don't see any conversion forced by Hindu community...you have good example of Yusuf Yohhana-Pakistani cricketer
See, the King or Muslim King Aurangjeb.....he killed his own father & brothers...so please stop making him a hero....he was neither a good muslim nor a good king !!
dear author,thank you for the informative pages of history,usually they give you a peek into the past,however we try more often than not to learn our past as an experience and the lessons it teaches us. histoty is the reason mankind has scaled heights in civilizing himself because we learnt and advanced from our past preserved our present and precariously worked hard to build a bright future for one self as well as mankind. let these little ones coming out to the world read the text of reality so as they can decide on their own faith and wisdom the analysis of religion,tolerance,understanding we are in todays world and upto what we can take it upto. historians do not believe the philosophers utopian ideology of the world but can we try? after all we have changed so much as we have evloved,havent we? doest history teach us that. science has already bought us together. can we sustain it? Aurenzeb was a ruler and was human being like all of us he had as much as a positive side as a negative side to it. even all of you have instead of calling each other names can you recall the last time you praised each someone? i am not educated but intersted in history and from my very limited knowledge he had his hands on almost entire India and i dont think he had so much available time to be concerned anout everyones relgion,tates and preferences. you had idiots toady, you had it at that time too. lets stop being one today.
My most of the friends argue that Aurangzeb converted by force and by sword. These people did not read history and they do not have knowledge of India. Hindus conveted not in the period of Aurangzeb. After the period of Aurangzeb, majority of conversion took place after the bad treatment by Hindus. I gave few examples for your understanding. The Muslims Kings Justify and there were an Islam Code of Government then there would be no ST/SC Dalit would remain in India. Islam talk Equality, Justice and Peace. We did not tell we practice. Go to our mosque or watch the prayer of Grand Holy Mosque Makkah Al-Mukarram, Where people praying joining shoulder to shoulder, no blacks no white, no rich no poor, no creed cloour and caste.
RE:Basless Argumetns
by Secular Indian on Mar 12, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
What nonsense! Have you read Dr. Ambedkars book. "Partition of India" especially the chapter:
"Muslim Society is even more full of social evils than Hindu Society is", given that you choose to remain ignorant (which is not surprising, if one reads the next chapter, "Why there is no organized movement of social reform among the Muslims"), allow me to help you cure your ignorance by posting the first few paragraphs: The existence of these evils among the Muslims is distressing enough. But far more distressing is the fact that there is no organized movement of social reform among the Musalmans of India on a scale sufficient to bring about their eradication. The Hindus have their social evils. But there is this relieving feature about them%u2014namely, that some of them are conscious of their existence, and a few of them are actively agitating for their removal. The Muslims, on the other hand, do not realize that they are evils, and consequently do not agitate for their removal. Indeed, they oppose any change in their existing practices. It is noteworthy that the Muslims opposed the Child-Marriage Bill brought in the Central Assembly in 1930, whereby the age for marriage of a girl was raised to 14 and of a boy to 18, on the ground that it was opposed to the Muslim canon law. Not only did they oppose the bill at every stage, but that when it became law they started a campaign of Civil Disobedience against that Act. Fortunately the Civil Disobedience campaign of the Muslims against the Act did not swell and was submerged in the Congress Civil Disobedience campaign which synchronized with it. But the campaign only proves how strongly the Muslims are opposed to social reform.
The question may be asked, why are the Muslims opposed to social reform?
The usual answer given is that the Muslims all over the world are an unprogressive people. This view no doubt accords with the facts of history. After the first spurts of their activity, the scale of which was undoubtedly stupendous, leading to the foundations of vast empires%u2014the Muslims suddenly fell into a strange condition of torpor, from which they never seem to have become awake. The cause assigned for this torpor by those who have made a study of their condition, is said to be the fundamental assumption made by all Muslims that Islam is a world religion, suitable for all people, for all times and for all conditions. It has been contended that :%u2014
"The Musalman, remaining faithful to his religion, has not progressed; he has remained stationary in a world of swiftly moving modern forces. It is, indeed, one of the salient features of Islam that it immobilizes in their native barbarism, the races whom it enslaves. It is fixed in a crystallization, inert and impenetrable. It is unchangeable; and political, social or economic changes have no repercussion upon it.
"Having been taught that outside Islam there can be no safety; outside its law no truth and outside its spiritual message there is no happiness, the Muslim has become incapable of conceiving any other condition than his own, any other mode of thought than the Islamic thought. He firmly believes that he has arrived at an unequalled pitch of perfection; that he is the sole possessor of true faith, of the true doctrine, the true wisdom; that he alone is in possession of the truth%u2014no relative truth subject to revision, but absolute truth.
"The religious law of the Muslims has had the effect of imparting to the very diverse individuals of whom the world is composed, a unity of thought, of feeling, of ideas, of judgement."
RE:Basless Argumetns
by Secular Indian on Mar 12, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
The above comments are by Dr. Ambedkar, you on the other hand constantly keep repeating the same drivel over and over again, I'm sure to the point that even some muslims must truly be embarrassed. Do you have no shame ?
RE:Basless Argumetns
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 12, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
Islam Talks of Equality and Peace ..and still you have shias and sunnis muslim figthing and killing each other... strange !!!
Read this -
"Ahead of the assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, CPM has demanded job reservation for Dalit Muslims and sought inclusion of OBC Muslims who have not found a place in the OBC list in a timebound manner.
-- 5/march/2007-Times of India "
If caste system are evils of hindu society then why Muslim has carried it forward after conversion from hindu religion ??
Former Union Minister V. Shrinivas Prasad said B.R. Ambedkar described his conversion to Buddhism as a "renunciation from Hinduism". Dr. Ambedkar rejected Hinduism mainly because of its justification of inhuman practices such as untouchability, he said.
RE:What Baba Saheb Dr. Ambedkar, One of the Great Scholar Said.
by Secular Indian on Mar 12, 2007 01:36 PM Permalink
Wy do you keep repeating the same non-sense over and over again. Go read some books get educated, it's the the only way you can help your religion, by posting propaganda from Islamo fascist websites here you are only perpetuating the Muslim (backward) stereotype.
Your will be remain crying and shouting that the Hindus is converted by Money and Sword. This Mass Convertion shows Hallowness and practices of the RSS Gang, the BJP/VHP/Bajrang Dal and so on. Read below clips. I can present you hundred of clips. Better read Ittihas in Deccan Chronicle. It is good for your healthy reading. Bush illegimate child stand with bush you will be wiped-out alongwith with bush. Mass convesion to Islam in North and South America. The Blacks and Hispanics. American is the richest country no need to pay them money or take sword to convert them. Our forefather were wise and having good conscience and know how differentiate what is good and what is bad. So they shunned Hinduism and converted to Islam. I am proud to be Muslim of India.
About 350 Hindus of the district adopted Christianity at a conversion ceremony held in Baksha area in Jaunpur.
Official sources on Wednesday said the 350 Hindus belonged to Agraura, Sonwar, Saduddinpur, Dhaniamau, Uttarpatti and Rari villages of Baksha.
The conversion ceremony took place on Tuesday at Belhara village, where Father Rajendra Chauhan read out the gospel to them.
He also gave each of the neo-convertees a locket of Jesus Christ.
NEW PATH: People taking an oath during mass conversion of Dalits to Buddhism in Gulbarga city on Saturday.
Gulbarga: Over 15,000 people converted to Buddhism, as part of the golden jubilee celebration of the Dhamma Chakra Parivarthana, in Gulbarga on Saturday.
The conversion rally was led by Bhante Bodhi Dhamma, founder president of the International Buddhist Youth Organisation of Nagpur. Thousands of believers marched in a rally from Jagat Circle through the main streets of the city. The rally culminated in the MSK Mill Grounds.
The ceremony began with a prayer and Bhante Bodhi Dhamma administered the Buddha Deeksha oath. Later, they entered the new world by reciting lines from the holy texts of Buddhism.
Former Union Minister V. Shrinivas Prasad said B.R. Ambedkar described his conversion to Buddhism as a "renunciation from Hinduism". Dr. Ambedkar rejected Hinduism mainly because of its justification of inhuman practices such as untouchability, he said.
He called upon believers to carry forward the commitment of Dr. Ambedkar to Buddhism. "Dr. Ambedkar revived Buddhism that was on the verge of extinction and we should take it to new heights now," he said.
He said the celebrations of Dhamma Chakra Parivarthana were meaningless unless people practiced the philosophy of Lord Buddha and Dr. Ambedkar.
Congress president Mallikarjun Kharge said that Buddhism could lead to world peace. Buddhism was a way of life that believed in love, honesty and harmony.
Following the religion would reduce tensions between civilizations, he added. Mr. Kharge recalled that Dr. Ambedkar was a strong nationalist and remained a patriot despite the bad treatment given to him by society. He was a large hearted man and never insulted any other religion.
Though he walked out of Hinduism, he never spread ill will against it, he said. Dr. Ambedkar was concerned about the welfare of Dalits. But he aimed at attaining the emancipation of all communities in the Constitution that he helped frame, Mr. Kharge said.
He asked people to develop self-respect and urged the new converts to lead a life of honesty and follow Dr. Ambedkar's ideals. Buddhist leader Shivram Mogha and others were present.
RE:Stop chanting Hallow Sologans - RSS Parrots -
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 12, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
Islam Talks of Equality and Peace ..and still you have shias and sunnis muslim figthing and killing each other... strange !!!
Read this -
"Ahead of the assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, CPM has demanded job reservation for Dalit Muslims and sought inclusion of OBC Muslims who have not found a place in the OBC list in a timebound manner.
-- 5/march/2007-Times of India "
If caste system are evils of hindu society then why Muslim has carried it forward after conversion from hindu religion ??
RE:Stop chanting Hallow Sologans - RSS Parrots -
by on Mar 12, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Hindu society is divided based on profession to organise well. all the castes are professional names.
Like take any house,generally it has hall,bed room, kitchen,bath room etc.
so house is divided based on functionality that we performed there.
Can you buy a house with $1 million dollar without any room? It is a beautiful but one big room where you need to do
all [ eat,sleep,bath,etc]. i don't think one can do that.
but you may buy one single room where you can do all when you are so poor.
Take any company, why they have so many departments,just think once.
as the time goes on some people misused system that doesn't mean system is wrong
few years back one of my friend attended muslim marriage party,where there is a big plate of biriyani.
every one has to eat from that.
he said it is for euality,but i can see as uncivilised thing.
don't try to blame some one, as an educated person think and analyse
You have read Aurangzeb's history but only repeating like a Mullah some things and not everything?
The difference between Islam and Hinduism ?
Aurangzeb tried to forcefully convert Shivaji's Son and tortured him to convert.
Aurangzeb Tortured peaceloving Sikh Gurus and their Children and killed them.
But when the Marathas raided Aurangzeb's Camp and were about Kill Aurangzeb in his tent, they saw that he was praying and decided against killing him but to remind him about the difference they took away his diamond (for you the emperor's diamond).
Shame on this ISlam preached by yourself and Aurangzeb.
The hindus again showed which religion preaches peace and brotherhood in 1971 war when they allowed more than 1 lac islamic porkistani POW soldiers to home with dignity
RE:Dr Rafiuddin Mullah
by Perv Sharma on Mar 12, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
This incident also ended his military foray. Probably repented his actions and died a dejected man.
