RE:Read Read Read what Islam says good books healthy material
by biz Narayan on Mar 12, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
This rafiuddin farooqui guy shows his intelligence, like Aurngazeb it means Jehad.
RE:RE:RE:Read Read Read what Islam says good books healthy material
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 12, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
you are adding only mass persuasion value that spreads anti-muslim bias. you are my friend. and a stupid ofcourse.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Read Read Read what Islam says good books healthy material
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 12, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
that is the problem with muslims like you. all they do is feed the agenda of opponents through your stupidity. This is what happens when you remain bigot.
Aurangzeb was taliban centuries ago. There are these fanatics who show him as a saint, these fanatics also post how 911 was jewish conspiracy. Secularists have named road in delhi after aurangzeb, for his destruction of hindu temples, and kind treatment to hindus praying defending those temples.
RE:RE:Brutal and vicious attacks seem holy to many ?
by biz Narayan on Mar 12, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Arjuna fought because the future talibans would treat women better... but you guys are blind to somebody born in Arabia... else the LET types misbehave.
RE:Read in correct perspective
by biz Narayan on Mar 12, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
1- Are these minority positions because Ambedkar was taking salary from british govt, so could it be his official view? Whatever..
2- Jinnah, a wine drinking fellow became muslim when it came to impose a huge massacre . Jinnah mayn't be bloodthirsty like Aurangzeb , but he was inhuman... for some post he raised his hand for slaughter of the century- in the land of pure.
"Dr. Ambedkar did not even support the Gandhian position that let the British quit India and then Indians would settle the matter among them and would sort out communal question."
RE:Read in correct perspective
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 12, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
Prespective.. What are u trying to prove here ??? No where Ambedkar has revered your Alamgir,Aurangzeb !!
Mr.rafiuddin farooqui and his friend Mike gandhi has cleverly implanted some messages in this forum to try and create a division among Dalit and Hindus -
A letter by Dr. Ambedkar sent from England at the time of Third Round Table Conference published in "Janata" of 24.12.1932, [M.F.Ganjare - ed. vol III. p. 20 ff., 'babasaheb aambedkarachi bhashane', (marathi), Ashok Prakashan, Nagpur. reprint, no date]
"When Hindus and Muslims fight among themselves, the Untouchables tend to incline towards Muslims. They feel, they would be benifitted if they develope friendship with Muslims. But Untouchables should keep in mind that it is not all that true as it appears and so they should be very careful. What I expereinced at the time of Sarada Act about the Muslim policy, can not called satisfactory. I got first severe jolt when I found that almost all the Muslims got ready to oppose the essential Act like Sarda Act along with the obsolete and puranic, fundamentalists and revivalist orthodox Hindus. And at the time of Round Table Conference, I got second experience now that their attitude can be how narrow and retrograde, like that of sanatani orthodox Hindus. A special telegram from the Brahmin President of Varnashram Brahman Sangha was received recently by a Muslim delegate, Mr. Gazanavi. It was a message that Muslims should cooperate with orthodox Hindus in opposing the Untouchables temple entry movement. It was also suggested that, if India gets freedom, it would be dangerous to the religion of both Hindus as well as Muslims, and so the religious Muslims should be careful about the swaraj like religious Hindus. The sanatani brahmins also requested Mr. Gaznabi to put forward the side of sanatani Hindus by the Muslim delegates in the RTC! Thus, it could be said that these arthodox brahmins have materialised the proverb that 'we are orhtodox brahmins and our relatives are muslims'. Mr.Gazanabi has published this telegram in 'Times' here. The fact, that the orthodox Bengali Muslim like Mr. Gaznabe should be entrusted the job of preserving the religion of Hindus, by the orthodox Hindus, and that he should accept it, should be borne in mind by all the reformists in India. It is an execlent example of how an orthodox sanatani Hindu is ready to pray even an 'yavan' or a 'mlenchha' when he finds the life of his 'dharma' is in danger (from untouchables). And the 'dharma' of Hindus is such a provokative (vigna-santoshi) one, that whenever any thing new happens, or due to time any change takes place in traditional customms, they shout that, dharm' is in danger. Just like a sanatani Hindu, the Indian Muslim also is a strange object. He is averse to all social reforms. His corelegionists outside India have turned to be social revolutionaries. A Muslim patriot like Kemal Pasha has quashed all customs and traditions which are hurdles against the progress of nation and human life. I have great respect and affinity for Kemal Pasha. But the Indian Muslims, even the patriots and nationalists like Shaukat Ali, do not like Kemal Pasha and Amanullah. Because they are reformists, and in the eyes of a Indian Muslim, reform is a sacrilege."
Our Holy book Quran and books of Hadiths the Divine Teachings Open to everybody. Read and get knowledge. Those who talk about Muslims and Islam they have shallow knowledge. Even many Muslim Intellectual they talk without doing any study. We have like Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi Son-in-Law of Singhal the chief of Ashok Singhal. He got Vish Kanniya he talks about Islam and Muslim. Do you regard it. Dr. Ambedkar I appreciate this guy and his excellence and respect him. He may comment without going through and with general observation. We have many Muslims they never have formal Islamic Education. Like many Hindus they do not have the knowledge of Hinduism. When we talk they just shut their mouth. We have our reputed Islamic Education Instituition. We reputed scholars. I found many TV talks that whenever something happen, they bring to focus and bring some so called intellectual or leaders i.e. Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and so on... to comment about Muslims and Islam. This is legacy of the Indian Media. Why do not Indian Media allows Muslim Leader to talk on the Issues pertaining to Child Marriage, Child Labour. What Islam says about. If you want the replies on this issues go to ISLAMIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION OF INDIA. AND READ IT AND ASKED IT THEY REPLY YOU.
Dr. Ambedkar once said I am converting to Islam. The whole Hindu leaders, Gandhi and others pursued him not to do that. Later he converted to Budhism.
RE:Hi pyare Mohans
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 12, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
"There is one point more which has been troubling me very much of late and one which I want you to think carefully and that is the question of Hindu-Mohammedan unity. I have devoted most of my time during the last six months to study of Muslim history and Muslim law and I am inclined to think, it is neither possible nor practicable. Assuming and admitting the sincerity of the Mohammedan leaders in Non-cooperation movement, I think their religion provides an effective bar to anything of the kind... I do honestly and sincerely believe in the necessity of or desirability of Hindu-Muslim unity. I am also prepared to trust the Muslim leaders, but what about the injunctions of the Quran and Hadis? The leaders cannot override them." (Quoted in BR Ambedkar's Pakistan or Partition of India)
RE:RE:Hi pyare Mohans
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 12, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar had warned his countrymen 60 years ago about the pitfalls of appeasing radical Muslim sentiment. Recording the events of the first half of the twentieth century in his book Thoughts on Pakistan, he had noted that the Muslim League had put across a fresh list of demands when the British government announced the appointment of the Simon Commission to review the working of the Constitution. It demanded "adequate share" for the Muslims in the services, central and provincial cabinets and all elected bodies. These demands were conceded in 1932 but Mr. Jinnah, who headed the Muslim League, was ready with a fresh list of demands. He said Vande Mataram should be given up, the tricolour should be changed and Urdu should be made the national language. According to Dr. Ambedkar, with this new list which included a demand for 50 per cent share in everything (even though the Muslims constituted just 25 per cent of the population in undivided India), "There is no knowing where the Muslims are going to stop in their demands. In this catalogue of new demands there are some which on the face of them are extravagant and impossible. The Muslims are now speaking the language of Hitler and claiming a place in the sun which Hitler has been claiming for Germany. For, their demand for 50 per cent is nothing but a counterpart of the German claims of Deutchland Uber Alles and Lebensraum for themselves, irrespective of what happens to other minorities." Dr. Ambedkar had accused the Congress party of adopting a policy of appeasement. He said, "the Congress Party had failed to realise that the policy of concessions has increased their (Muslim) aggressiveness and what is worse, the Muslims interpret these concessions as a sign of defeatism on the part of the Hindus and the absence of the will to resist. This policy of appeasement will involve the Hindus in the same fearful situation in which the allies found themselves as a result of the policy of appeasement, which they adopted towards Hitler," he said.
RE:Hi pyare Mohans
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 12, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
The Indian Muslim also is a strange object. He is averse to all social reforms. His corelegionists outside India have turned to be social revolutionaries. A Muslim patriot like Kemal Pasha has quashed all customs and traditions which are hurdles against the progress of nation and human life. I have great respect and affinity for Kemal Pasha. But the Indian Muslims, even the patriots and nationalists like Shaukat Ali, do not like Kemal Pasha and Amanullah. Because they are reformists, and in the eyes of a Indian Muslim, reform is a sacrilege."
--Excerpt from a letter by Dr. Ambedkar sent from England at the time of Third Round Table Conference published in "Janata" of 24.12.1932,
I guess this letter will answer why Ambedkar never converted to Islam ..stop your propaganda ..farooqui !!!
RE:Hi pyare Mohans
by on Mar 12, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
Hindu society is divided based on profession to organise well. all the castes are professional names.
Like take any house,generally it has hall,bed room, kitchen,bath room etc.
so house is divided based on functionality that we performed there.
Can you buy a house with $1 million dollar without any room? It is a beautiful but one big room where you need to do
all [ eat,sleep,bath,etc]. i don't think one can do that.
but you may buy one single room where you can do all when you are so poor.
Take any company, why they have so many departments,just think once.
as the time goes on some people misused system that doesn't mean system is wrong
few years back one of my friend attended muslim marriage party,where there is a big plate of biriyani.
every one has to eat from that.
he said it is for euality,but i can see as uncivilised thing.
don't try to blame some one, as an educated person think and analyse
