%u201CThe main reasons I left Islam are because I found out that it allows wife beating, sex with prisoners of war and sex with children and I cannot accept a prophet who allows this. Other reasons include the intolerance of other religions, an imperialistic foreign policy and the belief that all non-Muslims are going to hell.%u201D %u2013 Ben Rukhsana, Britain
%u201CIslam didn%u2019t make sense in many ways, and then I saw the so-called "miracles" of Quran are exaggerated stories. By knowing these 2 facts, I knew Islam was not a religion from God, but a creation of mankind. I believe Islam is not right for me, because I believe humans are born free, and for Allah to impose laws on us is unfair. Sure, breaking the speed limit is also a law but it helps protect other innocent civilians. Following Islamic rules like eating Halal food, Prayer and Hajj doesn%u2019t protect or benefit people in any significant way.%u201D %u2013 Sheraz Malik, USA
%u201CIslam is suffocating. Everyone, up to and including god is watching your every move. Did you pray five times today? Did you fast today? Been a good slave to Allah lately? To be fair, a lot of other religions are somewhat like that, because religion, when used as a method of crowd control, requires oversight.%u201D %u2013 Amin, Canada
THEY WANT TO LEAVE ISLAM because, THEY WANT TO DO EVIL THINGS, like wearing nothing, being a whore rather a woman, beating husbands(bharwas), disobeying parents, obeying no law/rule, leaving a liberal life, becoming a tribal again, having illegitimate children.
RE:SOME SENTENCES FROM Indian Penal Code.
by An Indian on Mar 16, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
If the country is so bad why are living here. Go to the place of your choice and leave us for peace.
RE:RE:RE:SOME SENTENCES FROM Indian Penal Code.
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
By the way, are you Insane? You are the product of Indian People (of forced conversion). You yourself is not the product of imandari. Go and read my other message you would definitely reach to the supreme divine i.e. your own brain. What is the meaning of %u2018we are here to teach you peace justice imaandaari, cooperation, charity and other good things%u2019 whether the religion teaches to anyone, though little harsh, but bitter truth, have you forgotten Gujarat. Stop such nuisances for the peace and brotherhood. You are real enemies of Islam.
RE:RE:RE:SOME SENTENCES FROM Indian Penal Code.
by Secular Indian on Mar 17, 2007 05:04 AM Permalink
By killing them in the same way that the Koran preaches and by learning MuhaMAD's example.
RE:RE:RE:Justice of Islam?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 16, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Also, your 200 million arabs are getting their asses burned by 5 million jews in West Asia. Numbers wouldn't suffice. You need some brains with it.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Justice of Islam?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 16, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
it's not about naa mard. They tolerated it and you exploited this tolerance. Now people are knowing truth and will treat you making your life difficult. About me embracing Islam, it sucks dude. Islam does. People are hating Islam in USA and Europe more than embracing it in recent years. You people are less productive workforce and cause violence there and that's what news says. Also, terrorism supporters.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Justice of Islam?
by prasun premrajan on Mar 16, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
only deranges and insane people who wants to control embrace islam. its a disease of the mind . by the way the world is full of insane poeple like mohammed sahim ahmed....
we forget that IPC has got capital punishment. Dhananjay, Godse and many criminals were killed by the Law of the Land.
a bus driver kills a man on road to SAVE MANY inside the bus. isn't it?
People are mis-understanding the religion of Islam. That too, only few people b%u2019cos, even in these days of Muslims%u2019 spiritual/social degradation and media-hatred towards it, Islam is the largest growing religion in America, Europe, Asia and everywhere. Basically, Islam respects all the earlier faiths and religions. It propagates peacefully and never teaches to hurt/kill others until some body comes on the way of its peaceful propagation. And Islamic Rulers always try to expand their empires being within the basic rules of Warfare.
TRUTH is as old as mountains. Prophets, Preists and Saints only come to REVIVE it and REMIND the people, who have got the nature of forgetting/distorting the Truth for SELF-benefits to pursue their Evil-goals or Egos.
This is what Islam does to Revive the Truth and improve the Faith, Personal/Social Habits, spiritual level even within the MUSLIMS as well as Non-muslims.
Islam always talks in terms of Evil vs Pious, Satanic vs. Sacred, Just vs Unjust and Peace vs Violence in every aspect of the SELF, SYSTEM and SURROUNDING. And because, these terms are more SPIRITUAL than material/psychological, it derives the GUIDELINES from DIVINE sources like PROPHETS/PREISTS and divine book of KORAN. This is the ONLY book which is PRESERVED inside millions of hearts/minds, as it was at its origin. So, no distortion is Ensured by the Practice of Memorisation.
KORAN calls for JIHAD against those evils/satans/unjustness/violent-ego of the SELF, the SYSTEM and the SURROUNDING equally. Methods of JIHAD are many. KILLING within the rules of warfare is also one of them. It is to bring mainly LARGER PEACE&JUSTICE and can be against anybody either Arab-Kafirs, Muslim-Yazeed. %u2026 ResistingBrahmins. Tribal-ChengisKhan%u2026. or any modern evil.
IT IS NEVER FOR FORCEFUL CONVERSIONS OR INNOCENT KILLINGS. Otherwise. Islam never would have prevailed all over the world and people never would embrace it at least in these days.
NO ONE WILL LOVE EVILS, FALSEHOODS, UNJUST/CRUELS GUYS, RESISTING KINGS, AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME ON THE WAY OF PROPAGATION OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE?????
One should know.... Ashoka killed even more before he became Bhuddhist. Jews killed many more... and even tried Jesus. Brahmins killed many Bhuddhists during 50-300 AD. Chengis and Timor killed many more muslims. Godse/RSS killed Gandhi and American/British CHEMICAL/BIOLOGICAL/NUCLEAR warfares have killed MAXIMUM (MORE THAN THE SUM OF ALL EARLIER ONES). even today they are killing for no reason.... only for OIL&Power.
They killed for their evil causes%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026 and ISLAM tells to KILL for pious cause. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM????????
RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
The problem is -The Pious cause for Islam to kill -The people who doesnot follow or belive in your religion ..That is the Problem ...What is Pious for you guys is Evil for rest of the other guys --todays muslims are 1.3 billion among 6 billion world population approx..which means majority of them doesnot belive or follow what islams claims i.e abt 80% of world population doesnot belive in your ideology ...
people kill others for thier self intrest...since various other religion doesnot preach violence or justify violence hence most of then killing you mentioned are done for political/business/personal grudge....however islam justify violence against non followers ..so you guys have this divine reason to kill others (divine term is used sarcastically .. :) ) ...
You are right, may be in your estimates. but these days that 80% or less actually has NO RELIGION BUT ONE. THE RELIGION OF MONEY, MATERIALS, MAYA, MOVIES, MEDIA, WINE AND WOMEN or junglee religion at the cost of Peace and Justice. there is no divinity, no following of Divinity.
and jatin bhai, try to be truthful, not sarcastic.
RE:RE:RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
that shows your disrespect for other peoples belief other than yours...nothing New ..Hallmark of Islam .. Arraogance and over estimating one self,,,
RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by raghav bhatt on Mar 16, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
Dear Freind, Then pl. answer my following questions 1)why did Mohamd ordered killing of 700 Jews(a group called Beni Kureiza) as they refused to accept Islam as their religin? 2)Why did he distributed women & childeren of the killed jews among himself & his men. 3)Why did he kept the most beautiful woman among them (Rehana) as his keep(YES! KEEP),since she also refused to accept Islam? 4)Why Mohmad took one fifth of the loot obtained during this attack(which later on became a procedure of Islam that 1/5 th loot will be of King's)? 5)If Mohamad is the messenger of God why he was not able to convince these people(As Jesus was doing)? The above details are available In the following books 1)The Life of Mahommet(printed by Voice of India)by Sir william Muir.-Page 320 ch. XVII
2)Martin Lings-Muhammad-His Life based on earliest sources printed by George Allen & Unwin-1988(3 rd edition)- chapter-LXI.
3)Margoliath D.S.-Mohammad the rise of Islam( printed in 1985 by Voice of India)- chapter X
Martin Lings book got the prize of "Best Life Story on Mohmmad" in Islamic conference in Pakistan in 1983. Also got award by egyptian Governmant in 1990. That means these are accepted by Muslim world as facts.
Now My dear friend pl. study these books & answer my question. I am asking these questions because you people are defending as Islam is a perfect Religion. There is nothing perfect in this world. Everything is having good & bad. We have to accept bad things & try to correct them. If you talk about Hondu religion it is continuously accepting it's flaws & adjusting with the time. So as Christianity. But why you people are so stuburn? At least you accept gracefully that Aurangzeb was directly involved in deatroying Hindu Temples & forceful conversions. You will not loose anything. Nobody will blame present day muslims for this yesterday act.
RE:RE:RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by raghav bhatt on Mar 16, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, That means you can not answer any questions.Pl. do some study in internet(Google search) about "contradictions in koran & islam" you will get 'n' nos of pages . Do some study & try to answer some of the points.
RE:RE:RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
Islam is growing because of extensive breeding -not because outsider embracing it ..-that why prophet ask you to have five wives so that his cult grows .....kuch samja mein aaya
RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by Raza Khan on Mar 17, 2007 07:15 AM Permalink
Iam Raza Khan the Great from Gengish Khan. Don't talk to kafirs, Mohammed. tHey twist all good words. I went to Samarkand 2005 Uzebikistan. I feel proud of Moghuls ancustry. Women in purdha all. Mohamed give 6 years we convert these kafirs.I pray to Allah 5 times I read Quran every day and I know afraid to kill and die. I kissed Baburs grave and feel another 6 years and we will win. Look Bush and American porno soldiers running from our brothers in Eraq. Ialso will go to paradise and get 1000 huriyas. so kill me, kafirs. This is Raza Khan the Great signng off.
RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by Rationalist on Mar 16, 2007 01:36 PM Permalink
What are pious causes for killing that u are talking about u hypocirte? What was eveil of 4 lakh Kashmiri pandits? What was the evil of Karsevaks of Godrah? What was the evil of people in killed in WTC & flights involved? What was the evil of people killed in Bombay blasts? All just to name a few.
rationalist bhai, DONT BE UNTRUTHFUL AGAIN. you know the evils. just take ur mind to chronologically past 2-10 years of those above events. YOU WILL GET THE EVILS OF OCNCERNED PEOPLE IN THAT CONCERNED AREA.
RE:RE:RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
we have taken our minds not 2-10 years but thousand years back and have seen how cult call islam has spread in our country and what horros our fore-fathers has to face to stay hindu...
RE:RE:RE:RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 16, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
in that concerned people and area, muslims started trouble.
RE:RE:RE:is killing an evil thing in itself?
by Perv Sharma on Mar 16, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
So you are saying rape, riot arson cheat does not happen in ISlamist Countries? Is it? You mean to say Islamist country are perfect?
RE:Plight of Women in Islam
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
I am sure after showing so many anamoly and ill practices in Islam ... probabaly the only thing Mulla Mike and Mulla Rafi will do is ..copy paste thier message posted one or two days back in same forum (abt Devdasi , aurangzeb ) and spam the board with the same false information which is replied earlier by various participants...
RE:RE:RE:Plight of Women in Islam
by somayajula surya ram on Mar 16, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
Yeah start Jihad and when rest of the world starts whipping you guys (US has already started it in Iraq - and you are crying for sympathy), you would know what it is :))
Are you guys good enough to fight anyone face to face instead of hiding and killing civilians, be it 9/11 or 7/11 or whatever. Can you tell me how many wars have been won by the Islamic countries in the recent past?
Islamic Federation lost to Israel!
Afghan lost to the US!
Iraq lost to the US - twice!
Pakistan lost to India 4 times!
The only so called victory came in when Taliban threw Russians out, but they were ultimately defeated by the Americans!
What Jihad are you talking about? Remember, if non-muslims becone suicide bombers and start attacking you (Reports say that Bajrangdal is already into it), even if you take the ratio 1:1, your loss would be phenomenal.
RE:RE:RE:Plight of Women in Islam
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 16, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
you are just a jihadi. Go join the Bin Laden army and blow yourself. Brainwashed idiot. You are just spreading foolish concocted stories and they have many loopholes.
A Muslim Man raped his daughter-in-law. The Mullah then as per Quran asked the Man to marry his daughter-in-law.
No doubt - mohammed was great. He knew the sins of Islamist who would follow Koran and therefore had some special instructions for such case.
No doubt he gave legal right for marrying 4 Wives, he knew how insufficient the Islam Followers would be with one in the house. Hide and Hide - but out they tumble.
We don't have to go to Aurangzeb's time again and again to see the bad of Islam:
In 1947 the Hindus donated some land for these muslims to go and live.
In 1971 war - Pak/America eat dirt. How many Islamist soldiers were taken as prisones and how they were allowed to go home with dignity ( similar to How the marathas allowed Aurangzeb to live only because he was praying).
How much conquered land again donated back to these Islamists ?
In Kargil war how did these ISlamists torture and throw the dead bodies of Hindu soldiers in the open.
These same Islamists when killed by hindu soldiers were buried with dignity. The difference in attitude of these religions is clear.
Mullahs do Hinduism need to teach you more about human relations ?
mullah Rafi and Mike what does your Fairy tale books say about the 1971 war? so that we can judge the kind of fairy tales of Aurangzeb.
