The first sign that the Indian numerals were moving west comes from a source which predates the rise of the Arab nations. In 662 AD Severus Sebokht, a Nestorian bishop who lived in Keneshra on the Euphrates river, wrote:-
I will omit all discussion of the science of the Indians, ... , of their subtle discoveries in astronomy, discoveries that are more ingenious than those of the Greeks and the Babylonians, and of their valuable methods of calculation which surpass description. I wish only to say that this computation is done by means of nine signs. If those who believe, because they speak Greek, that they have arrived at the limits of science, would read the Indian texts, they would be convinced, even if a little late in the day, that there are others who know something of value.
This passage clearly indicates that knowledge of the Indian number system was known in lands soon to become part of the Arab world as early as the seventh century. The passage itself, of course, would certainly suggest that few people in that part of the world knew anything of the system. Severus Sebokht as a Christian bishop would have been interested in calculating the date of Easter (a problem to Christian churches for many hundreds of years). This may have encouraged him to find out about the astronomy works of the Indians and in these, of course, he would find the arithmetic of the nine symbols.
Around the middle of the tenth century al-Uqlidisi wrote Kitab al-fusul fi al-hisab al-Hindi which is the earliest surviving book that presents the Indian system. In it al-Uqlidisi argues that the system is of practical value:-
Most arithmeticians are obliged to use it in their work: since it is easy and immediate, requires little memorisation, provides quick answers, demands little thought ... Therefore, we say that it is a science and practice that requires a tool, such as a writer, an artisan, a knight needs to conduct their affairs; since if the artisan has difficulty in finding what he needs for his trade, he will never succeed; to grasp it there is no difficulty, impossibility or preparation.
RE:Mohammed Ahmed don't preach like a mullah search the net U are on Net
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
you are right that INDIA has a rich civilisation like Arab and Iran.
So, Muslims love this country. Stay here. breed our generations here.
But at the same time Muslims have the duty of preaching good things of theirs to other indian brothers bringing Peace and Justice in the self, system and surrounding. Teach them to fight against injustices and take their rights and help know the Divinity/TRUTH, which Brahmins(10%) have made Divinity their own Family Heritage.
RE:RE:Mohammed Ahmed don't preach like a mullah search the net U are on Net
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
" Teach them to fight against injustices and take their rights and help know the Divinity/TRUTH, Brahmins(10%) have made Divinity their own Family Heritage."
Aaapke kaunse centuary ki baat kar rahe hain ??..
Mohammed Ahmed ..kya aapko pata hain ..aphi aap kunsi centary mein jee rahe hain ??? :) do you know you are talking abt India known as Cradle of world spiritiuality..do you have any idea how many school of spritual thougts have been emerged from this land...??
Our society has changed ..please ho sake toh ..aap bhji change ho jaye ..yaa phir arab vapis chale jaye ..aapki aur aapki soch ki modern india ko zarurat nahi hain ...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Mohammed Ahmed don't preach like a mullah search the net U are on Net
by Secular Indian on Mar 17, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
Janab, Jatin ji bhi good ki baat kar rahen hain. Sirf joh apko good lagta hai (marna peetna, kafir ko muslim banane) wo unko bad lagta hai. Lagta hai apka ki dimagi halat apko yeh chote si baat smajhne mein dikat dey rahi hai.
RE:RE:Mohammed Ahmed don't preach like a mullah search the net U are on Net
by Perv Sharma on Mar 17, 2007 05:21 AM Permalink
Unfortunately U Mullahs are worst than the Brahmins. First establish peace in Saudi Arabia. Your fu... women can't even Vote or drive a Car in Saudi ARabia the land of your Arab Master. Teach those 600 princes (u know their birth) how to learn good things. The King and his Ding Dong are Islamists aren't.
RE:RE:Mohammed Ahmed don't preach like a mullah search the net U are on Net
by Perv Sharma on Mar 18, 2007 04:17 AM Permalink
Man first bring all this stuff in your Arab MAster's land. Go and read the non-sense stuff about your Master's land.
We hindus are progressive and tolerant and we will continue to eradicate the short comings and bad things in our religion by bringing in new laws. Whereas you Muslims can only follow that Barbaric Arab Law.
Weren't these Islami Afganis amongst the most looters of India. Look at their condition. They couldn't digest the looted wealth from India.
Hindus are again donating to build some houses for these Islamic looters.
And Pakistan is naming their missiles as Ghanzvi and Ghouri. Probably this proves how Islamist shut their eyes and can't see what is happening behind their back. They can't even see their back burning. Well, they live by Charas.
We don't have to go to Aurangzeb's time again and again to see the bad of Islam:
In 1947 the Hindus donated some land for these muslims to go and live.
In 1971 war - Pak/America eat dirt. How many Islamist soldiers were taken as prisones and how they were allowed to go home with dignity ( similar to How the marathas allowed Aurangzeb to live only because he was praying).
How much conquered land again donated back to these Islamists ?
In Kargil war how did these ISlamists torture and throw the dead bodies of Hindu soldiers in the open.
These same Islamists when killed by hindu soldiers were buried with dignity. The difference in attitude of these religions is clear.
Mullahs do Hinduism need to teach you more about human relations ?
mullah Rafi and Mike what does your Fairy tale books say about the 1971 war? so that we can judge the kind of fairy tales of Aurangzeb.
by mohammed sahim ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 02:07 PM | Hide replies
arabs have been traders in the past. they brought civilization whereever they went. they excelled evrywhere EVEN when Europe was in dark age (Churches Evils).
Parsis taught indians to do trade and business. so the names are; Godrej, Tata, Bhabha, etc. Now Ambanis have started but famous for BeImaani. isnt it?
Muslims Worlds contribution is greatest in Modern World also. Because, 20th Modernity was totally dependent on oil. you will agree if you have some science and engg backgraound. And 2/3rd of used oil came from Muslims: arab, iran, libya, egypt, Brunie, Kazakhastaan, Uzbekistan, Ukrain, and many more.
actually, Dacoits attack the well off and rich people. Hence, Jews and communists are the dacoits. isnt it? BUT DACOITS ONE DAY WILL HAVE TO LEAVE.
Now some facts about Hinduism for your knowledge:
India Invented the number system. Zero was invented by Aryabatta. This work was translated into Arabic by one of Islamist but he didn't belong to Arabia. The world acknowledges it today.
The World's First University was established in Takshila in 700 B.c More than 10,000 students from all over the world studied. I.e why U find Hindu names even today in far off places. 700 B.C. means almost 1300 years before the birth of ISlam's Prophet.
IF Aryan's had come from Iran as again and again said by ISlamists then they should have had a place of learning before in Iran and since no such place existed proves their theory wrong.
Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.
The value of pi was first calculated by Budhyana, and he explained of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. This is also now widely aclaimed in Western world. British scholars have officially stated that he's work dates to 6th Century.
Quadratic equations were by sridharacharya in the 11th century.
When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers, Indians established Harappan culture.
The place value system, the decimal system was developed in 100 B.C. i.e almost 700 years before mohammed prophet.
These are facts and regularly published in German Magazines. IF you doubt them Sue them and earn your reward.
RE:mohammed in Dark Age even in 21st Century
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
who is saying ISLAM brought Maths or science. and no religion does claim so. not Buddha also.
Muslims preserved and improved upon all the good things and religional traditions of any civilisation. and eliminated only the evils things and customs.
improvements from Roman/Indian sciences like alchemy, algebra, algorithm, ( the name al says it that it's arab), arab numerals, Unani medicines etc. Greats are Alkhearizmi, Aljaabir, Ibn Seina, Alberounie etc.
Literature and Philosophy: Rumi, Saadi, Arabian Nights, story of Laila Majnu, Alberounie, Ibn Batuta, Love poems of Haafiz, popularisation of Poetry,
for all the human beings of WORLD,
Islam actually brought universal/global moral values, art and sciece of living etc.
RE:RE:mohammed in Dark Age even in 21st Century
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 05:02 PM Permalink
which means being 20% of humanity your positive contribution to world is comparitively nothing ... every you have done is working on what is already being done by soem one else..nothing original ...
"Muslims preserved and improved upon all the good things and religional traditions of any civilisation. and eliminated only the evils things and customs" -
Destruction of Bamiyan buddha and nalanda university by islamist is example how worthy you are for your above mentioned claim .. :)
RE:RE:mohammed in Dark Age even in 21st Century
by Perv Sharma on Mar 17, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
They are translated and the world now knows the thieves. There was nothing wrong if your Mullahs had the guts to teach you that they were translated from so and so. But to claim as their own invention only proves that the legacy of the first caravan that was looted has continued.
Can anyone (the person must be sensitive, logical, open-minded, not fundamentalist, have basic knowledge of world history, and taught / brainwashed by fundamentalist / scrupulous religious leaders and all have the capability to us the brain) tell me why countries / territories, like Afghanistan, Israel, J&K should of / for Muslims. I have seen many of the message postings, under the different articles, that the Muslims are fighting to liberate their motherland, and what is the meaning of this. As to why a particular country or territory should be for a particular religion / community and why the others or world as whole should accept should fanaticism. Otherwise also, what about the people lived in those places before the advent Islam. A classic example is Afghanistan, which is basically Buddha dominated people, who were either forced for conversion to Islam or the poor people were kicked from there, as is happening in presently in J&K. No other has claimed that this county is for our religion and probably the most liberal are Hindus who even declared their own country as secular (refer recent declaration of Nepal as secular country, besides India of course), where in many postings Muslims have posted that by 2050 China would be Muslim country, Islam is the fastest growing religion etc. etc. and what they want to depict by spreading such nuisances.
When everyone know how there ancestors were forced for conversion and the generation of those
RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
u r Very new in the discussion, it seems.
who told you only those lands muslim lands. infact ISLAM is global from the beginning. we want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world.
we preach evrywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
who follows the preaching they are called Muslims. who does not, no problem. BUT WHO STOPS US RFOM PREACHING GOOD THINGS or who tries to bring EVILS and Cruelites in any area then we do JIHAD, means struggle, resistance, killing if needed etc.
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by mks on Mar 16, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
u tell me what are good things in islam..i find only terrorists coming out of your religion...
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we preach evrywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
"
The above things which you have mentioned is not part of your religion.
Its prpganda which you guys indulge..
About your relegion there are so many truths which is already mentioned in this forum.
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 05:08 PM Permalink
"who tries to bring EVILS and Cruelites in any area then we do JIHAD, means struggle, resistance, killing if needed etc. "
Mohammad ...now even some Hindus have started using your ideology ..even they kill when they find some one bringing evil...tats what happen in gujrat ..now Why are you complaning ???
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 03:38 PM Permalink
A fresh reply to mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM [RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims] against his few queries:
Your comments - Islam is global, from the beginning, we want Islam in the whole world.
My reply - What is meaning of global (tell me the % of population, % of acceptance of willingness), what is meaning of beginning (how old it is, tell me about your ancestral background, who they were, if you abuse to your own ancestors whose blessings you are, whose blood you carry, then what is impression you are spreading) and what is meaning of, we want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, who cares what you want you have right to accept anything why should I captivate myself or others to illiteracy , unscrupulous religious leaders. Even your thinking is dirty that you want others should follow it and simultaneously you are claming ISLAM (meaning peace and justice), if you preach ISLAM and meaning is it, how dare you can think about democratic rights of others or in the word you yourself is abusing and pitting to ISLAM. This is the biggest problem with you fundamentalist; you dare to think the others should follow you. Gentleman, people follow a path as per their wish, considering its good and evil, where the very basic nature of Islam (or what it has been propagated by your so called religious leaders) is barbaric and forced. You people never come to rescue your own sister like Sania Mirza, when she is bashed by your religious leaders, you never utter single word about our great H.E. President APJ Abdul Kalam that when your people say that he is not Muslims and he is puppet etc. etc. since he practices the humanism not fundamentalism and now it is barbaric thinking that you want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, what a rotten thinking. Gentleman go and cleanse you mind, you have right to thin about you but you should not dare to think about others, as they also have the same right and they are more intelligent than you as they do not mortgage their mind and soul to someone that too illiterate religious leaders.
Your comment - we preach everywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
My reply %u2013 By the way, who decides which is good and which is bad? How dare you can think about the whole world and their thinking? Do you feel yourself that you are capable to do so or you are also life self-styled prophet, who can decide the fate of whole world. I think I need to tell that in non of the Gulf country where Muslims are in population, they have declared it as Muslim country (forget about the secularism), no democracy is there, literacy rate is dismally poor, even the person hold some qualification (not education) they are captive to illiterate religious leaders, they have fear to use their own brain (always u
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by Perv Sharma on Mar 17, 2007 05:38 AM Permalink
Mohammed Ahmed this is not your Madrasa.
Regarding Islam is their from the beginning? What did you expect your Mohammed to tell his followers that with his birth, the world has started. He only heard the Jewish Stories and added his Barbaric Arab Laws. Jewish were richer than the Arabs and he thought that probably because of their god. He started preaching that we are the descandants and so and so. Even the Jews made fun of him because he could never tell whether Moses came first or Jesus(this is an example). He had earlier asked his followers to pray by looking towards jerusalem. But, being made fun of by jews and insulted and by chance he had developed sufficient army decided to bring changes the way he worshipped.
mullah every religion preaches good living, fight of truth and bad, etc..
Unfortunately, Islam is the only religion which is barbaric because of Barbaric Arab tribal laws.
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Reply to mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM
[RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims]
Dear Mohammed Ahmed
I could not understand the reason for your unusual anger as I had not target you but at the same time if you say that who told so for Muslim lands, you may go through several postings, under several articles, where your so fundamentalists brothers have written. At present I do not have the details, I am sure even under this article somewhere the people have justified Jihad for Israel occupied area, Iraq, Afghanistan, J&K etc. etc. claiming that there are fighting to liberate their motherland. Otherwise can you justify the meaning of Jihad and killing the innocent people, including children, woman and elderly people, only because you have gun in your hand and they are soft targets. Forget about the world history, just refer back the invasion of Islamic terrorists in this country, you may call it 500 years back or 1000 years back. Can you justify the forced conversion? Can you refuse the majority population is of forced conversion (there are 99.99% chances that your ancestors have also been forced, have you ever tried to go back to your own ancestors, when I telling this I strongly feel that you are from Indian origin), you can definitely think about your own ancestors, I repeat your own ancestors including female members and their agony when they were forced for conversion and other humiliation your female family ancestors had faced at that time (I could your understand what I want to say) . I am giving few links which are small example of barbaric invasion:
My brother my intention is not to annoy you rather to request just to open your own eyes, open your own brain, the precious gift of Almighty (the supreme power, you may call as ALLAH, or whatever suits you), release yourself from the captivation of fundamentalist cages.
I am pasting a message which I had replied to someone which can open your eyes and change your mind and attitude that I am new to this discussion. In this context I would like to confirm that I have discussed these subject to my several Muslim friends & colleagues (educated, not fundamentalists, who bow to the reality not the baseless teaching of so called leaders. I hope you are also an educated person. I would request you to kindly go through the history (I am not recommending any rather advise you to go to the reputed authors and publishers (including Muslims authors) and judge yourself, again o
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
A fresh reply to mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM [RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims] against his few queries:
Your comments - Islam is global, from the beginning, we want Islam in the whole world.
My reply - What is meaning of global (tell me the % of population, % of acceptance of willingness), what is meaning of beginning (how old it is, tell me about your ancestral background, who they were, if you abuse to your own ancestors whose blessings you are, whose blood you carry, then what is impression you are spreading) and what is meaning of, we want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, who cares what you want you have right to accept anything why should I captivate myself or others to illiteracy , unscrupulous religious leaders. Even your thinking is dirty that you want others should follow it and simultaneously you are claming ISLAM (meaning peace and justice), if you preach ISLAM and meaning is it, how dare you can think about democratic rights of others or in the word you yourself is abusing and pitting to ISLAM. This is the biggest problem with you fundamentalist; you dare to think the others should follow you. Gentleman, people follow a path as per their wish, considering its good and evil, where the very basic nature of Islam (or what it has been propagated by your so called religious leaders) is barbaric and forced. You people never come to rescue your own sister like Sania Mirza, when she is bashed by your religious leaders, you never utter single word about our great H.E. President APJ Abdul Kalam that when your people say that he is not Muslims and he is puppet etc. etc. since he practices the humanism not fundamentalism and now it is barbaric thinking that you want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, what a rotten thinking. Gentleman go and cleanse you mind, you have right to thin about you but you should not dare to think about others, as they also have the same right and they are more intelligent than you as they do not mortgage their mind and soul to someone that too illiterate religious leaders.
Your comment - we preach everywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
My reply %u2013 By the way, who decides which is good and which is bad? How dare you can think about the whole world and their thinking? Do you feel yourself that you are capable to do so or you are also life self-styled prophet, who can decide the fate of whole world. I think I need to tell that in non of the Gulf country where Muslims are in population, they have declared it as Muslim country (forget about the secularism), no democracy is there, literacy rate is dismally poor, even the person hold some qualification (not education) they are captive to illiterate religious leaders, they have fear to use their own brain (always u
RE:it is a religion of fallen GOD!
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
WHAT IS THIS? YOU ARE TAKING HELP OF SOME LITERARY WORDS, NOW. don't be like Rushdie and Naipaul. Humanity and life are more facts than raw literature. and ISLAM is so.
RE:RE:it is a religion of fallen GOD!
by mks on Mar 16, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
and how is that ..prove it..islam is propangand...started 1400 years back by an arab...which fools like you are blindly following
Sure, that is why with arrival of Islam in IRAN, prasis were thrown out of IRAN and they took refuge in INDIA only because of indian culture.
2.oil is not only in Middle east but also in America/Russia/ venuzela also.and donot worry after some time when oil will be over these arabs will be servant in asia/europe
3.For your kind information indians have taught arabs business.
few of parsis came here and India accepted on terms that they will give back something. they are still giving and honestly giving. what Promod Mahajan and BJP gave them in return. only cheating of Ambanis and Kanjusi of Birlas.
Man, which indian went to Arab to teach them trade and Business?
and don't worry about exhaustion of oil from Arab and Muslim countries.by the time US/Russia will leave dacoity business and start using their own oil, either they they will convert to ISLAM or Muslims will have something better than oil.
WE ARE NOT HOPELESS FELLOWS. WE BELIEVE IN ALLAH. WE LIVE HOPEFUL LIVES. and we teach others too.
ALLAH GIVES MUSLIMS MATERIALS AND COURAGE FROM HIS OWN divine Khazana. if you don't beleive in divinity then no point in talking with you in religious topics.
SO, perhaps, Jack Straw and US Military cheif had warned Bush & Blair that they should not forget that Iraqis are Muslims.
RE:RE:False Propoganda!
by Perv Sharma on Mar 17, 2007 05:42 AM Permalink
Mohammed Parsis came here and are practising their religion. Denial and avoiding the questions won't work here. This is not your Madrasa. Don't act smart by replying and saying some parsis came here and avoided the reason why they came here. They came here because you Muslims started forcefull conversions of Parsis.
arabs have been traders in the past. they brought civilization whereever they went. they excelled evrywhere EVEN when Europe was in dark age (Churches Evils).
Parsis taught indians to do trade and business. so the names are; Godrej, Tata, Bhabha, etc. Now Ambanis have started but famous for BeImaani. isnt it?
Muslims Worlds contribution is greatest in Modern World also. Because, 20th Modernity was totally dependent on oil. you will agree if you have some science and engg backgraound. And 2/3rd of used oil came from Muslims: arab, iran, libya, egypt, Brunie, Kazakhastaan, Uzbekistan, Ukrain, and many more.
actually, Dacoits attack the well off and rich people. Hence, Jews and communists are the dacoits. isnt it? BUT DACOITS ONE DAY WILL HAVE TO LEAVE.
RE:MUSLIMS AND DACOITS
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
Whihc Business BHABA started ..Haha..ha ha ?aapke knowledge ki daad deni padegi :)..
The part of earth named Middle east produces oil..whihc is inhibited by muslim ..now u are claiming that is contribution of muslim to modern world ..funny man ..going by logic any nautral resources traced in any part of world should be contribution by inhabitants religion to world ...mohammed bahi kaphi akalmand hoin aapp... aapki hoshyari ki daad deni padegi ..
RE:RE:RE:MUSLIMS AND DACOITS
by mks on Mar 16, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Arabs stole the knowledge from indians and passed it on to europens..there is no contribution of arabs in this world..except islam..which it seems is turing out to be a terrosit manual...
RE:MUSLIMS AND DACOITS
by Perv Sharma on Mar 17, 2007 05:44 AM Permalink
The only contribution Islam can boast of is of Looting and putting Islam stamp on other's inventions. Unfortunately they can't do anything like that today.
Arab without support from Asia/Europe can not survive for a Single day. See How Libia/Siriya/Jordan/Egypt/Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arabia all were defeated by Israel 3 times. Yes all Arabs are NAMARD.
arabs have been traders in the past. they brought civilization whereever they went. they excelled evrywhere when Europe was in dark age (Churches Evils).
Parsis taught indians to do trade and business. so the names are; Godrej, Tata, Bhabha, etc. Now Ambanis have started but famous for BeImaani. isnt it?
Muslims Worlds contribution is greatest in Modern World also. Because, 20th Modernity was totally dependent on oil. you will agree if you have some science and engg backgraound. And 2/3rd of used oil came from Muslims: arab, iran, libya, egypt, Brunie, Kazakhastaan, Uzbekistan, Ukrain, and many more.
actually, Dacoits attack the well off and rich people. Hence, Jews and communists are the dacoits. isnt it?
RE:RE:Boody Fool
by Hazi Singh on Mar 16, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
1.Sure, that is why with arrival of Islam in IRAN, prasis were thrown out of IRAN and they took refuge in INDIA only because of indian culture.
2.oil is not only in Middle east but also in America/Russia/ venuzela also.and donot worry after some time when oil will be over these arabs will be servant in asia/europe
RE:RE:RE:Boody Fool
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
by the time they will leave dacoity business and start using their own oil, either they they will convert to ISLAM or Muslims will have something better than oil.
WE ARE NOT HOPELESS FELLOWS. WE BELIEVE IN ALLAH. WE LIVE HOPEFUL LIVES. and we teach others too.
ALLAH GIVES MUSLIMS MATERIALS AND COURAGE FROM HIS OWN.
SO, perhaps, Jack Straw and US Military cheif had warned Bush & Blair that they should not forget that Iraqis are Muslims.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Boody Fool
by An Indian on Mar 16, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
Gentleman, you are the generation of forced conversion. Kindly feel that deep pain of your own ancestors (including ladies) and now you are praising to those who taught you the hatred
RE:RE:RE:Boody Fool
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
by the time they will leave dacoity business and start using their own oil, either they they will convert to ISLAM or Muslims will have something better than oil.
WE ARE NOT HOPELESS FELLOWS. WE BELIEVE IN ALLAH. WE LIVE HOPEFUL LIVES. and we teach others too.
ALLAH GIVES MUSLIMS MATERIALS AND COURAGE FROM HIS OWN.
SO, perhaps, Jack Straw and US Military cheif had warned Bush & Blair that they should not forget that Iraqis are Muslims.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Boody Fool
by mks on Mar 16, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
yeah...by that he meant its easy to attack them...because after the war they will kill themselves..shias kiliing sunnis and sunnis killing shias...
RE:RE:Boody Fool
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
Whihc Business BHABA started ..Haha..ha ha ?aapke knowledge ki daad deni padegi :)..
The part of earth named Middle east produces oil..whihc is inhibited by muslim ..now u are claiming that is contribution of muslim to modern world ..funny man ..going by logic any nautral resources traced in any part of world should be contribution by inhabitants religion to world ...mohammed bahi kaphi akalmand hoin aapp... aapki hoshyari ki daad deni padegi ..
