There are many mullahs preaching the greatness of Koran regarding equality of sexes.
I hope now onwards they will stop preaching and performing. Now they will move out in Burgas as ordered to ladies. Their women will also have the rights to marry 4 husbands just like their men.
RE:SHAHENSHAH AURANGZEB
by Dipankar Dutta on Mar 18, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
I fully agree with you. The facts are not new. We have already read this history in our school life. This article may been published in view of some ill intention. It is not expected from Rediff News.
RE:RE:SHAHENSHAH AURANGZEB
by Secular Indian on Mar 19, 2007 04:54 AM Permalink
If you've read all this in school then why do you think that Rediff has some "ill intentions" for reinforcing it ? After all kids must be reading this in todays history books today. Secondly why is that there are muslims on this message board that are still in denial, and in fact have take this opportunity to indulge in their favorite pastime Hindu bashing ?
RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by CG NAIR on Mar 19, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
Mr. Mike, what are trying to prove through the lengthy and unending arguments through this column? Do you want all Hindus to believe in the utterings of a menatlly deranged, epileptic Camel driver, whose first wife was a widow old enough to be his mother and last one was young enough to be his great grand daughter? As a Hindu, I am free to believe or not believe in god (and I opted for the later)and I am not bound by only ONE BOOK. Majority of Hindus do not consider what is written in the Vedas or Puranas as revelations of the God, but as mythologies. For your kind information, there was no Devadasi system in Kerala. On the contraty the ownership of jointly family property rested with the women and the senior most male member (Karta) was only a trusty. The main reason for the backwardness of the Muslim community in India is due to the insistance of a few mad mullas to cling to what is written in a book in the context of another country about 1400 years back rather than changing with the times.
RE:RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 18, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
THE SAME THINGS DID MOGHUL AND ARABS. THEN WHY THE SAFRAN GANG RAISING THIS ISSUE AND MISGUIDING THE PEOPLE ??
RE:RE:RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by Perv Sharma on Mar 19, 2007 04:17 AM Permalink
Mike - U say Your Prohpet came to teach you tribal people something good and that is why he started the example - married 13 times (including his daughter -in-law) and then also had a sex slave girl in his remianing days.
RE:RE:RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by wada pav on Mar 19, 2007 01:37 AM Permalink
Arab and Mughals did what Islam told them to do and what their prophet himself did. What some Hindus did, they were not told to do it by hinduism,they diod it on their own. that is the big difference.
RE:RE:RE:RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by Perv Sharma on Mar 19, 2007 04:14 AM Permalink
Wada I think this reply should shut Mike. These Mullahs can't see that Hindus use their own logic according the times and this is what is mentioned in Vedas - i.e God has given U brain and senses and U must use it not like these Islamists who still follow only what is written by one Barbaric Tribal Arab.
RE:RE:RE:RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by wada pav on Mar 19, 2007 01:38 AM Permalink
For example, islam allows slavery so mughals and arabs enslaved hindus , hindus had devdasi system, but hindu holy books don't allow/support devdasi system,it was done by a few individual people on their own.
RE:WOMEN IN HINDUISM
by raghav bhatt on Mar 19, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
Dear Mike, It is nice to learn that you have made lots of study(about the other religon's books.).It is true that many things written in vedas or puanas or any book regarding Hinduism can not be true or can not be practised in the modern world. Every Hindu will agry for this .You can ask anybody.But can this be true for you people.The Khoran contains several contradictions(Visit www.faithfreedom.com) & Prophet Mohmmad committed several questionable ats(mistakes), even then you people are blindly deffending. You read Masi-e-alamgiri, which was written by a muslim only & is the true picture of Aurangzeb.In that his acts of demolishing temples are praised as a big Religious service. what is your comments on those points
Guys, ask yourself these questions and seek answers for yourselves
What is that which is dividing us?
Its religion, its caste, its poverty, illiteracy, ignorance.
What is ideal for our progress?
That we are united, educated, literate, self-reliant, progressive, open-minded.
What should we do?
Forget religion and work united for our nation and countrymen and women.
Who should be our role models?
APJ Abdul Kalam, Mahatma Gandhi, NR Narayan Murthy etc
Who should not be our role models?
Especially religious leaders
What should we not do?
Dig out our past and history becuase it is full of hatred, blood and loot.
What should be teach our childern?
That we are Indians first and anything else later. We should work for the progress of our motherland and brother and sisters.
Teach them Maths, Physics, Science, Enviromental Science
What not to teach our childern?
To hate hindus, to hate muslims, to hate jews, to hate cristians.
What about my religious books and their teachings?
Dont follow them blindly, they are thousands of years old and hence might not be immediately relevant today. Use your brains and choose what is right and what is wrong. If in doubt - discuss with elders, if still in doubt, discuss with others till you reach a conclusion. Be curious and always ask questions. Dont accept anything as fact.
United we stand and divided we fall. If India is peaceful and progressive , we all move ahead, if not, we all move back. This is our nation, our people, our land and here diversity exists- languages, cultures, religions, races. Love diversity. It will be very unstable if all world was Men only, or Mulsims only , or Hindu only. We need hetrogeneous societies for exchanging ideas and growing together.
RE:Religion Divides , India Unites
by Rasheed on Mar 18, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Bang on target, Pranat, I am with you. Well documented. I only hope everyone here gets that spirit.
RE:Religion Divides , India Unites
by Rasheed on Mar 18, 2007 08:03 PM Permalink
Bang on target, Pranat. I am with you. Hope your thoughts are taken in a positive light by all here.
RE:RE:Religion Divides , India Unites
by wada pav on Mar 19, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
Pranat has not read the koran, hadiths, so he does not know how much hatred these books speak against jews , christians, idol worshippers.
Pranat is a product of a pseudosecular/marxist syllabus taught in our schools.
RE:Religion Divides , India Unites
by Secular Indian on Mar 19, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
In general, there will be few who will disagree, however I don't share your optimism.
RE:Religion Divides , India Unites
by Perv Sharma on Mar 19, 2007 04:22 AM Permalink
Pranat - good views but ideas. You want peace, progress. For these two elements you have to be powerful in Arms otherwise idiots like you who ignore history will again become slave for another 1000 years. You have to read history to realise why and how you became slave. Come and live in a Kashmir village with your mother and sisters. A grand welcome awaits U.
RE:RE:Religion Divides , India Unites
by Secular Indian on Mar 19, 2007 05:00 AM Permalink
Sad but true, individuals like Rasheed are the silent majority, good intentioned and I would wager patriotic Indians. However they lack a voice and are fearful of taking on the deadly (obscurantist/literlist) muslims that are far too powerful and secondly are well funded by Saudi money.
Get over old religios books and have a look at what women have done in India and for India. The list also includes a Mulsim Women, but we need more of them and definitely i would encourage our muslim brothers to encourage their sisters/mothers/daughters to be one of these below.
Rani Lakshmi Bai
Indira Gandhi
Kalpana Chawla
Kiran Mazumdar
Kiran Bedi
1944: Harita Kaur Deol becomes the first Indian woman to perform a solo flight.
1951: Prem Mathur becomes the first Indian women commercial pilot of the Deccan Airways
1959: Anna Chandy becomes the first Indian woman Judge of High Court[20]
1966: Captain Durga Banerjee becomes the first Indian woman pilot of the state airline, Indian Airlines.
1966: Indira Gandhi becomes the first women Prime Minister of India
1970: Kamaljit Sandhu becomes the first Indian woman to win a Gold in the Asian Games
1972: Kiran Bedi becomes the first female recruit to join the Indian Police Service.[21]
1989: Justice M. Fathima Beevi becomes the first woman judge of the Supreme Court of India.[22]
November 1997: Kalpana Chawla becomes the first Indian woman to go into Space.[23]
2004: Punita Arora becomes the first woman in the Indian Army to don the highest rank of Lt General.
2005: Manndhir Rajput, a 34-year-old woman from Ludhiana, Punjab becomes the first Indian woman to become an engine driver of trains with the New South Wales Rail Corporation, Australia.[24]
2006: V Shantha, cancer specialist, wins Ramon Magsaysay award for public service.
RE:Women In India
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 18, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
Mandhir Rajput is not first women who driving railway engine. The first women is Mumbai's local trains driver Smt. Zubaida or Zakia, I dont remember her name. Kalpana Chawla was not Indian. She borned and educated in USA.
RE:RE:Women In India
by pranat on Mar 18, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
But that was not the point. The point is that Indian women have done us proud and i am proud of them, which ever religion they belong to. Are you?
RE:RE:Women In India
by wada pav on Mar 19, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
Will a truly and strict Islamic country like saudi arabia,sudan etc allow her to become a train driver?
they don't even allow women to drive a car.
this only shows how liberal hindus are. your women are prospering in a hindu country, more than what they can in a muslim country.
Chawla, a Hindu[1][2], was born in Karnal, Haryana, India. Kalpana is a Sanskrit name meaning "idea" or "imagination." Her interest in flight was inspired by J. R. D. Tata, a pioneering Indian pilot and industrialist.
RE:RE:Women In India
by Day lambu on Mar 19, 2007 04:02 AM Permalink
Check your GK Mr Gandhi, Kalpana Chawla was born and educated in India, she is a graduated from Punjab University
RE:RE:RE:Women In India
by bharatiya on Mar 19, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
lambu,
this behench%# paki mike is just out there to insult hinduism. osama probably pissed in his mother that's why he's so radical. don't react to any of his comments
RE:RE:Women In India
by Perv Sharma on Mar 19, 2007 04:35 AM Permalink
Mullahs just can't come out of the idea of denials. Mention something from Hinduism and there they go.
Why you madrasa people can't just use your own brains and senses. Why do Madrasa people just follow whatever a Mullah teaches you bad history. Why do you prove again and again you are a lost case and everyhting U try to own is looted or stolen from somewhere.
Madrasa educated here's Kalpana Chawla's little history for your knowledge and if you still deny then that's your birth right.
Kalpana Chawla was born in Karnal, Haryana on 1st July, 1961. Her father Banarsi Lal Chawla was then a leading industrialist of Karnal and owned a Tire factory. Her mother Sanyogita Chawla, a housewife, expected a boy as her last child, when Kalpana was born. In 1976, she did her schooling from Tagore Bal Niketan school, Karnal. She did her pre-university and pre-engineering from Dayal Singh College, Karnal. She then graduated with BSc (Engg) degree in Aeronautics from Punjab Engineering College, Chandigarh. Master of science degree in aerospace engineering in 1984 from University of Texas. Doctorate of philosophy in aerospace engineering from University of Colorado, 1988.
RE:Women In India
by Rasheed on Mar 18, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
Yes, Pranat, more Muslim women need to come to the forefront and into the mainstream. Living in the ghettos, many Muslims are under the influence of people with dubious education. Many Muslims, though they want to emerge out of the shackles of their miserable existence, find themselves entrenched in religio-centric systems. The Muslim Personal Law Board, which proclaims itself to be the torchbearer of Muslims here, has done precious little towards reforms. Of course, the Board's claim itself is questionable. Key issues such as the triple talaq are glossed over. The Board maintains a studied silence every time questions are raised from within. It is time to progress and interpret Islamic principles in a modern context. Not because some radicals from other religions demand it, but for the sake of the millions of Muslims toiling miserably in their ghettos. If not this generation, at least the next generation will benefit.
FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THE ISSUE TRIPLE TALAQ HAS BEEN CLARIFIED BY THE MUSLIM PERSONAL LAW BOARD. THEY CLEAR THAT TRIPLE TALAK MEANS THREE DIFFIRENT OCCASION. NOT IN ONE TIME OR ONE SITTING. UNFORTUNATELY, KATHMULLAS ARE STILL INSISTING TRIPLE TALAK ON ONE TIME IS VALID. THIS IS THEIR OPINION (FATWAS) BUT NOT ACCORDING TO NOBLE KORAN AND AUTHENTIC HADITH.
RE:RE:RE:Women In India
by Rasheed on Mar 18, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
But mike, there are thousands of Muslims who are under the influence of those "Kathmullahs." And why does the Personal Law Board meet often and fail to come out with any reform worth the salt. They keep parroting the same old thing. And, why arent there any women representatives. If you are sitting on judgement on their cause, why cant you involve them. With such inflexible approach, what else do you expect but Kathmullahs coming out with ridiculous Fatwas. The latest is some Board anouncing a reward for head of Taslima. Why dont you raise your voice against those ridiculous statements.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Women In India
by wada pav on Mar 19, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
What was the crime of Taslima Nisreen ? she only exposed the rape and attrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Aurangzeb is not at all IDEAL for muslims
by Mike Gandhi on Mar 18, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
Ayesha married prophet when her age was between 19-21 years. There is no authentic evidence that her age was 6-9-12 years when she married to Prophet Mohammad(PBUH).
RE:RE:Aurangzeb is not at all IDEAL for muslims
by Secular Indian on Mar 19, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
Bullshit! In fact it is boasted about in the Hadith(s).
