The name Hindu is itself a foreign name. It was given by the Mohammedans to the natives for the purpose of distinguishing themselves. It does not occur in any Sanskrit work prior to the Mohammedan invasion. They did not feel the necessity of a common name because they had no conception of their having constituted a community. Hindu society as such does not exist. [42] It is only a collection of castes. Each caste is conscious of its existence. Its survival is the be all and end all of its existence. Castes do not even form a federation. A caste has no feeling that it is affiliated to other castes except when there is a Hindu-Muslim riot. On all other occasions each caste endeavours to segregate itself and to distinguish itself from other castes. Each caste not only dines among itself and marries among itself but each caste prescribes its own distinctive dress." [ 43]
RE:The name Hindu is itself a foreign name....It was given by the Mohammedans to the natives for the purpose of distinguishing themselves.
by bharatiya on Mar 26, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
BehenC$%d Mike Gandi is upto his anti-india tricks again!
RE:The name Hindu is itself a foreign name....It was given by the Mohammedans to the natives for the purpose of distinguishing themselves.
by Ekalavyan on Mar 27, 2007 06:40 AM Permalink
I am quoting from DR Ambedkar. Please verify.
RE:Merit My foot !!!! By V T R
by Jeffrey Mittal on Mar 24, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
Ekalavyan
It seems that you have a lot of venom in you. So I am writing to refute your arguments and your persecution complex. Before your expected response, I AM NOT A Brahmin or in any way related to one..
So here goes
Krishna Iyer can say what he wants but lets us ask a few questions If he was so concerned about the caaste sysytem, why did he not remove his caste surname "Iyer"?
The so called Caste sysytem is a convenient name given by the British to divide and rule the people who have faith in Sanatana Dharma or Universal Truth (labeled Hindus by the Perisans as they lived near the Sindhu river and the people from Persia could not pronounce "s" and said "H" instead of "S"). These same Persians were prosecuted by the Muslims in Persia(modern day Iran) and sought refuge in India and are now known as the "Parsis"
The multiple Varnas are by your abilities not by birth.(If you read and truly understand the scriptures rather than cutting and pasting from some website) This is derived from a variety of combinations of Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, which is in ALL human beings. BTW, I hope that you know the story of Ratnakar, aslso known as Sage Valmiki and the story of Sage Ved Vyas, born of a fisherwoman This division is present in every society, including Communist society.There have been and will be individuals who misuse this. Just pointing at them and saying "see I told you so" is ridiculous and immature.
Your statement above "Once we regain our human rights through reservations, we automatically become rich." is bordering on the ridiculous. Wealth is created by hard work and not by usurping or stealing it. So your attempts at making your self the saviour of "human rights" is hypocritical.
Lalu Prasad Yadav stole frol ALL the people when he amassed his wealth and by your logic when 85% of the people are Harijan's (God's children) then he hurt them much more than that 3% he stole from the Brahmins. By the way he is also fat(reference to your statement above).
You still like to use the long reufted Aryan theory to talk about Aryan Gods fighting with each other. From this, I must deduce that there is no Quarrel among Shias, Sunnis, Ahmadiyyas or Catholic , Protestants, Mormons etc. or among Russians and former colonies or among ehtnic Chinese, Taiwanese, Mongols or the Hutus and Tutsis (only one million murdered)
It is very convenient to bash one group of people to try to prove your point while conveniently ignoring the real truth.
Your arguments are clearly directed at distracting from the message of this article, which is indeed the truthg about Aurangazeb and try to put Hindus on the defensive.
This will hopefully make them embarrassed so that they do not have pride in their heritage and shy away from it, so that then they can be divided and rendered powerless.
I do recognise the fact there are problems but your vicious attempt at trying to split the Hindus by using the Caste, resevation, multiple Gods (which is again quite wrong) and Aryan invasion theory are very clever and vicious.
Yes, I do have responses to EVERY ONE of your arguments and just posting huge amounts of copied material is not going to obscure the truth, which is that the article proved a point which has been papered over by people like you for many generations.
Aurangazeb was a tyrant and he was a vicious, cruel and pathetic human bieng.
RE:RE:Merit My foot !!!! By V T R
by Ekalavyan on Mar 25, 2007 09:33 AM Permalink
Your comment comment is shallow, and replied many a time. Arguments illogical and unscientific. Class division is hirizontal; caste division is hierarchical. Think it over!!!
RE:RE:RE:Merit My foot !!!! By V T R
by Jeffrey Mittal on Mar 26, 2007 06:51 AM Permalink
Nice try
"your comments are shallow"
The comments only reach the depth of the recepient as per their ability.
There is no change to the Universal Truth (Sanatan Dharma). It is the most scientific AND logical set of truths
It is certainly not blind, dogmatic belief in what somebody (on a mountain or from a cave) said or revealed to somebody else (fishermen or tribesmen, barely literate Who then wrote it down many years later (with many versions) and then all the followers blindly accepted these as some kind of rigid truth or were eliminated. That is definitely logical and very scientific.
The issue is that it(Snatan Dharma) requires some basic effort to understand it. However, try as YOU might, you cannot distort the truth.
I see from posts below that your kinship with the people you quote exposes your agenda. "Brother Bullit" indeed
Keep it up.
Just repeating lies,distortion will NEVER tarnish the truth.
RE:Merit My foot !!!! By V T R
by G S on Mar 24, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
I am upper caste and i am okay with your thoughts. But mere shouting and not willing to change is also stopping the progress. We upper and lower caste should promote mixed marriages, award mixing of people and families. Take some Concrete action too........PLEASE !
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by Ekalavyan on Mar 24, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
Inter caste marriage and inter dining wont liquidate caste system. Please go through "Anhiliation of Caste" By Dr Ambedkar Thanks for your noble thinking
RE:RE:Upper caste oppression forcing break-up of India? DV report
by Jeffrey Mittal on Mar 25, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
"Brig. (retd.) Usman Khalid of the LISA warned that"
"India is a scourge of the region and a menace to the world because it cannot give any rational justification for its Manu Code-based social system and it uses crutches, sometimes of socialism, sometimes of secularism to maintain the hegemony of upper castes."
I did not know that India followed the "Manu Code". I thought that it was a secular democracy were the President ia muslim,(who followed a DalitMr. K.R. Narayanan), the Prime Minister a person of Sikh faith and then of course Sonia Maino Gandhi (from the seat of Catholicism, Italy).
The non Brahmanical Lalu Prasad yadav, Nitish Kumar, Rajashekar Rao(Andhra), Acthutanandan, Karunanidhi, Gowda among many others all seem to be doing fairly well and may I say even RULING large parts of the country. Hmm! - "hegemony of upper castes" indeed.
"The sovereignty of castes is the best weapon to shake off the stranglehold of the Manu Code" So then we can create many, many divisions amonst the Hindus and that too by "Brig. Usman Khaild." Classic for divide and rule (must be army strategy) to destroy Hindu unity and create doubt.
Well done " Ekalavyan"
Is there something not true here, I wonder what that is.
RE:RE:RE:Upper caste oppression forcing break-up of India? DV report
by Ekalavyan on Mar 25, 2007 09:35 AM Permalink
You are sadly mistaken my boy. India is not a democracy but BRAHMINOCRACY.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Upper caste oppression forcing break-up of India? DV report
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 25, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
whatever man. Brahminocracy, as you say it. You are a nut case.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Upper caste oppression forcing break-up of India? DV report
by Ekalavyan on Mar 25, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
You are an unthinking creature. BRAHMINOCRACY MEANS RULE OF BRAHMINS, BY BRAHMINS, FOR BRAHMINS, you may replce Brahmins by upper castes. Ignorance is also a form psychosis!!!
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by Ekalavyan on Mar 27, 2007 06:46 AM Permalink
Anti Brahmin means Pro Indian. Anti Dalit means Anti indian. Brahmins are descendants of Aryan Invaders. So they are foreigners, not indians indigenously. They should pack off to solve our problems.
RE:ROLE FOR CHINA, RUSSIA & S.AFRICA : Islam - Christianity reconciliation needed to save world from sure Armageddon DALIT VOICE editorial
by Jeffrey Mittal on Mar 25, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
It seems that you are promoting some agenda here
I see that you are blaming Israelis, sort of blaming Christians and of course bashing the Hindus.
I wonder what your background is and what you are hiding.
"In India, our people were liberated by Christianity and Islam from Hindu persecution"
makes me wonder even more what you are trying to accomplish her when the discussion is about Aurangazeb.
"Brahminical oppressors have joined hands with Jews and America"
Hmmm!
"Some experts fear that India%u2019s Muslim-hating Brahminical rulers may push more and more oppressed Indians into Islam and that finally India itself may go Muslim."
does this tell me what you are after.
Obviously not discussing good old Aurangazeb and his butchery.
"Brother Bulliet%u2019s work did not get publicity perhaps because it was not to the liking of the zionists."
Bangalore: There is an interesting news. The Hindu terrorist party RSS controlling the Brahmana Jati Party (BJP) is likely to welcome the famous Vajpayee-baiter Subramanian Swamy, the Tamil Iyer having close connection with zionist Israel.
This poor fellow has been leading his one-man Janata Party for long. Still he gets good publicity in the %u201CBrahmin toilet papers%u201D because of his jati that keeps him in the limelight. Nobody else knows the power of publicity which can make and unmake a person. That is why the most cantankerous vaidiks have monopolised the media to safeguard their jati interest.
Role of Kanchi Swamy: The person who is now pushing Swamy, so far kept out by Vajpayee, into BJP is none other than the notorious Kanchi Swamy who was put in the jail for his many sex scandals and murders. But being a Brahmin, the Kanchi Swamy escaped all punishments (DV Jan.1, 2005 p.20: %u201CDV%u2019s 12-point chargesheet against Kanchi Swami%u201D).
The Kanchi is grateful to Swamy (both Iyers) because he was the one person who went out of the way to defend the culprit whose very name stinks in Tamil Nadu.
Vajpayee love for good things: As the sun is setting over A.B. Vajpayee, the RSS thought this was the right time to allow Swamy to enter BJP. But Vajpayee has not forgiven his many shocking, public statements revealing Vajpayee%u2019s taste for good things of life.
Bigwigs of the RSS including its chief Sudarshan were present in Delhi recently where Swamy%u2019s book was released. But the one prediction made by Swamy in his book is very ominous to Hinduism which is the other word for Brahminism.
Suicide: He says the Hindus run the risk of %u201Cperishing like the ancient Greeks, Egyptians or Babylonians%u201D.
Swamy knows who are the Hindus. The SC/ST/BCs (65%) are not Hindu. We congratulate Swamy for speaking this stark truth.
It is a fact the thinking sections of Brahmins are deeply worried over the imminent suicide of their tribe. The Jews are facing the same situation in Palestine.
The visible mental disorder in this minuscule 3% of Indians is the sole cause of their current abnormal behaviour %u2014 biting anybody and every passerby like a mad dog.
Why the Brahmins, the very rulers of India, are so desperate? Why do they feel threatened? Who is threatening the very Bhoodevatas?
Why the dog is biting Muslims, Dalits, Tribals, OBCs, women, Sikh, Christians and even their own women? It is because it is mad.
What do you do with the mad dog?
Swamy, who was a member of the DV family for an year or two some six years ago, must be thanked for stating the truth. But are the members of his tribe ready to heed the warning?
Manini Chatterjee & V.K. Ramachandran: %u201CVajpayee & the Quit India Movement%u201D, Frontline, Feb.20, 1998.
Vrinda Gopinath: %u201CBabji & Family%u201D, The Express Magazine, March 1999.
