this kind of war of words happened all the time in human history. e-g. when AKBAR tried to impose his wish-religion(Din-e-Ilahi) through state-intervention. even then ISLAM was saved by common man's Molvees like the Great Sheikh Ahmed Sirhandi(RA).
EVERY TIME TRUTH PREVAILED and Evil/Fallacy came only to go.
AKBAR died with his 'religion', and INDIA was saved. SALEEM followed islam. Shah Jahan too. but Dara went on great-grand-father's way and was killed in a battle by his three brothers, for the GOOD of INDIA again.
india was going nice towards TRUTH with PEACE untill some bigots and so-called thinkers like Shri Bankim Chandra who divided indian society to gain the lost EVIL-PRIDE/power of Brahmins over the 90% oppressed indians.
RSS forced it to divide India and now CRYING foul and talking about AKHAND-BHARAT. now also doing the same thing. even in 5-yrs of power, they did not get a better President than a Muslim-KALAAM. and could not stop an ITALIAN and a SIKH from coming to power. worthlessssss fellowssssssssss. good for only evilssssssss.
inshallahhhhhhnhh only TRUTH will PREVAIL.
and we will have a AKHAND-BHARAT as well as AKHAND-WORLD but through Islam only as happened in the past.
ASHOK also left his old tribal-religion.
even AMBEDKAR also did the same. only to go away from voilence, evils, injustice, lies, cheating, etc.
today also AR RAHMAN, KAMLA DAS leaving their old religion to find
1.NAMAZ- best way of prayer, chanting, excercise, yoga, meditation, Social Mingling: all in ONE.
2.ROZA- best way of fasting, cleansing, practicing patience, discipline, unity- all in ONE.
3.ZAKAT- best way of charity, tax, gifts, insurance, investment-all in ONE (Allah saves the giver from accidents, diseases, ill-fate etc)
4. HAJJ %u2013 best form of pilgrimage %u2013 Signifying One Humanity %u2013 Universal Brotherhood
5. Circumcision- best practice after birth to have basic cleanliness always.
6. Earth-burial of deads- best environmental freindly DISPOSAL with DIGNITY.
RE:ISLAM, AKBAR and AURANGZEB
by wada pav on Mar 28, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
I doubt if AR RAHMAN AND KAMALA DAS read the article , I posted earlier titled..
" ACCOUNTS OF TEMPLE DESTRUCTION BY AURANGZEB IN RECORDS LEFT BEHIND BY MUSLIM HISTORIANS: PART 1 to 4"
They probably read only what Zakir Naik told them to read.
RE:ISLAM, AKBAR and AURANGZEB
by Srinivas Janakiraman on Mar 29, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Sure earth burial of deads is not the best. Do you remeber the earth quakes in 90s and plague immediately after. Plague which was not existant for centuries spread like wild fire. It was from burried bodies and not from burnt ashes of Hindus.
Islamic festivals are also psychologically negative. One cant feel good about killing animals. Humane people dont want to see the horrific scene of cutting the throat of some living thing(animals and humans).
Human rights in Islam? What are you talking about? Non-believers are considered enemies!!!
Instead of poluting this form checkout http://www.faithfreedom.org and show your mastery in islam and kuran.
RE:ISLAM, AKBAR and AURANGZEB
by Srinivas Janakiraman on Mar 29, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
Sure earth burial of deads is not the best. Do you remeber the earth quakes in 90s and plague immediately after. Plague which was not existant for centuries spread like wild fire. It was from burried bodies and not from ashes of Hindus.
Islamic festivals are also psychologically negative. One cant feel good about killing animals. Humane people dont want to see the horrific scene of cutting the throat of some living thing(animals and humans).
Human rights in Islam? What are you talking about? Non-believers are considered enemies!!!
Instead of poluting this forum, checkout http://www.faithfreedom.org and have an intellectual and logical debate and show your mastery in islam and kuran.
Though Aurangzeb destroyed mosques, shrines and gurudwaras killed his own brothers. But he was not a coward like westerners who believe in divide and rule policy. He fought wars and ruled all over India with his might and supremacy. Later, he fixed jizya and protected the rights of Hindus and sikhs. Since he was a scholar he knows Quran and he knows puranas too. Puranas says do not worship material Gods for material benefits. So he may had destroyed few temples.
The Britishers killed more than 500 persons who belongs to the family of Bahadur Shah Zafar in prisons that includes his sons, nephews and relatives. Nobody discuss about that.
More than 10 million innocent muslims were looted and killed by hindus after the division of Pakistan, India and again during Police action in South India. Not a single hindu says they grabbed our property and loot us. One one hand u called these muslims as converted brothers of yours and you kill them by calling muslims. You killed so many poor muslims in Gujarat and call them Turks.
Even Muhammad Ghaznavi was invited my lower caste Hindus, due to the attrocities by upper caste Hindus. No one speak about the attrocities and cruelty of upper caste hindus. Though they forcibly used to sleep with lower caste women, they never allowed them to drink water from the wells of upper caste hindus they were not allowed to leave trace of their foot even though they were kept as bounded labourers. The upper caste Hindus never think of their caste while raping lower caste women. Lower caste people were never allowed in temples and pujas. Why Westerners or Hindus speak about all this non-sense.
RE:Divide n rule policy of Westerners
by Rationalist on Mar 28, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
Nothing but manipulation. I know you people can stoop down to any extent of lying just to uphold ur Islam.First learn to be true to yourself.
RE:Divide n rule policy of Westerners
by wada pav on Mar 28, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
1.good that you admit that "...Though Aurangzeb destroyed mosques, shrines and gurudwaras killed his own brothers...."
2.Aurangzeb know Puranas? impossible, he killed dara shikoh because dara was studying hindu texts like puranas and vedas.
3." 10 million innocent muslims killed by upper caste hindus during partition.." what bullshit..it was muslims who killed 5 lakh hindu and sikhs during partition in east bengal and pakistan. who gave the call for 'direct action' ,hindus or muslims ?
4. "Mohammad Ghazni was invited by lower caste hindus..." what bullshit..nobody invited him,he invaded afghanistan and destroyed hindus and buddhist..
this is the problem with u muslims.u r in a constant state of denial and u expect secularism from hindus. how is that possible?
if u want hindus to treat u well , u must dissociate urself from ur notorious history and reject ur past figure like aurangzeb, ghori,ghazni, if u support them ,u r one of them and then u r our enemy. and then we will treat u like a enemy. the chioce is yours.
RE:Divide n rule policy of Westerners
by Srinivas Janakiraman on Mar 29, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
The only cast problem that existed was untouchability. You are just making alegations against the upper cast. You dont have any proof for these alegations. Britishers and anti-nationals like Periyar, Veeramani, Karunanidhi, Nehru etc. have spread these rumours and your just use it to divide the Hindu community. Only people like Stalin(sone of Karunanidhi), Son of Veerapandia Arumugam(who died of AIDS) rape so many girls and escape.
RE:Divide n rule policy of Westerners
by Srinivas Janakiraman on Mar 29, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
There are statistical proofs that pre-british and pre-islamic India was the most literate country in the world. There are also proofs that there were only 10-15% uppercasts in schools. All most all the kings were not brahmins and had control over brahmins.
This is a collection of records and documents compiled by (the above named author) one of Aurangzebs officers in Bengal and Orissa during AD 1655-67.
Excerpts:
Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb 'Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (AD 1658-1707)
Bengal and Orissa
"...Order issued on all faujdars of thanas, civil officers (mutasaddis), agents of jagirdars, kroris, and amlas from Katak to Medinipur on the frontier of Orissa :- The imperial paymaster Asad Khan has sent a letter written by order of the Emperor, to say, that the Emperor learning from the newsletters of the province of Orissa that at the village of Tilkuti in Medinipur a temple has been (newly) built, HAS ISSUED HIS AUGUST MANDATE FOR ITS DESTRUCTION, and THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL TEMPLES BUILT ANYWHERE IN THIS PROVINCE BY THE WORTHLESS INFIDELS. Therefore, you are commanded with extreme urgency that immediately on the receipt of this letter YOU SHOULD DESTROY THE ABOVE MENTIONED TEMPLES. EVERY IDOL-HOUSE BUILT DURING THE LAST 10 or 12 YEARS, WHETHER WITH BRICK OR CLAY, SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED WITHOUT DELAY. ALSO, DO NOT ALLOW THE CRUSHED HINDUS AND DESPICABLE INFIDELS TO REPAIR THEIR OLD TEMPLES. REPORTS OF THE DESTRUCTION OF TEMPLES SHOULD BE SENT TO THE COURT UNDER THE SEAL OF THE QAZIS and attested by PIOUS SHAIKHS..."
10. "Futuhat-i-Alamgiri" by Ishwardas Nagar
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The author was a Brahman from Gujarat, born around AD 1654. Till the age of thirty he was in the service of the Chief Qazi of the empire under Aurangzeb. Later on, he took up a post under Shujat Khan, the governor of Gujarat, who appointed him Amin in the pargana of Jodhpur. His history covers almost half a century of Aurangzeb's reign, from 1657 to 1700. There is nothing in his style which may mark him out as a Hindu.
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Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (AD 1658-1707)
Mathura (Uttar Pradesh)
" ... When the imperial army was encamping at Mathura, a holy city of the Hindus, the state of affairs with regard to temples of Mathura was brought to the notice of His Majesty. Thus, HE ORDERED THE FAUJDAR OF THE CITY, ABDUL NABI KHAN, TO RAZE TO THE GROUND EVERY TEMPLE AND TO CONSTRUCT BIG MOSQUES (over their demolished sites)..."
Udaipur (Rajasthan)
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"... The Emperor, within a short time, reached Udaipur AND DESTROYED THE GATE OF DEHBARI, THE PALACES OF RANA AND THE TEMPLES OF UDAIPUR. Apart from it, the trees of his gardens were also destroyed..."
RE:ACCOUNTS OF TEMPLE DESTRUCTION BY AURANGZEB IN RECORDS LEFT BEHIND BY MUSLIM HISTORIANS: PART 4
by Jeffrey Mittal on Mar 28, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Thanks
This is a lot of information
I am waiting for the cut and paste spammers to try cover this up by repeating the same nonsense again to provoke division.
This information seems worth compling in a booklet or book, as it is not known by the vast majority of the Indian poulation. They tend to get overwhelmed by the false sotries and repeated harangues of the Mike Gandhis ,ekalavyan and other pseudos.
Keep up the good work and spread the truth as it will forever shine.
"... The newswriter of Ranthambore REPORTED THE DESTRUCTION OF A TEMPLE IN PARGANAH BHAGWANT GARH. Gaj Singh Gor had repaired the temple and made some
additions thereto..."
Malpura (Rajasthan)
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" ... Royal orders FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF TEMPLES IN MALPURA TODA were received and the officers were assigned for this work..."
5. SOURCE OF INFORMATION: "Fathiyya-i-Ibriyya"
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This is a diary of Mir Jumla's campaigns in Kuch Bihar and Assam. "By looting," writes Jadunath Sarkar, "the temples of the South and hunting out buried treasures, Mir Jumla amassed a vast fortune. The huge Hindu idols of copper were brought away in large numbers to be melted and cast into cannon. ..."
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Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (AD 1658-1707)
Koch Bihar (Bengal)
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" ... Mir Jumla made his way into Kuch Bihar by an obscure and neglected highway. .... In six days the Mughal Army reached the capital (19th December) which had been deserted by the Rajah and his people in terror. The name of the town was changed to Alamgirnagar; the muslim call to prayer, so long forbidden in the city, was chanted from the lofty roof of the palace, and a mosque was built by DEMOLISHING THE PRINCIPLE TEMPLE..."
6. SOURCE OF INFORMATION: "Kalimat-i-Tayyibat" by Inayatullah
This is a collection of letters and orders of Aurangzeb compiled by 'Inayatullah in AD 1719 and covers the years 1699-1704 of Aurangzeb's reign.
Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb 'Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (AD 1658-1707)
Somnath (Gujarat)
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"... The TEMPLE OF SOMNATH WAS DEMOLISHED early in my reign and idol worship (there) put down. It is not known what the state of things there is at present. If the idolators have again taken to the worship of images at the place, THEN DESTROY THE TEMPLE IN SUCH A WAY THAT NO TRACE OF THE BUILDING MAY BE LEFT, and also expel them (the worshippers) from the place. ..."
General Observation "... THE DEMOLITION OF A TEMPLE IS POSSIBLE AT ANY TIME, as it cannot walk away from its place. ..."
Sirhind (Punjab)
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"... In a small village in the sarkar of Sirhind, A SIKH TEMPLE WAS DEMOLISHED AND CONVERTED INTO A MOSQUE. An imam was appointed who was subsequently killed. ..."
" ... The emporer learning that in the temple of Keshav Rai at Mathura there was a stone railing presented by Dara Shikoh, remarked, In the Muslim faith it is a sin even to look at a temple, and this Dara Shikoh had restored a railing in a temple. This fact is not creditable to the Muhammadans. REMOVE THE RAILING. By his order Abdun Nabi Khan (the faujdar of Mathura) REMOVED IT..."
Ujjain (Madhya Pradesh)
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" ... News came from Malwa that Wazir Khan had sent Gada Beg, a slave, with 400 troopers, TO DESTROY ALL TEMPLES AROUND UJJAIN... A Rawat of the place resisted and slew Gada Beg with 121 of his men..."
Aurangabad (Maharashtra)
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"...... The Emperor learnt from a secret news writer of Delhi that in Jaisinghpura Bairagis used to worship idols, and that the Censor on hearing of it had gone there, arrested Sri Krishna Bairagis and taken him with 15 idols away to his house; then the Rajputs had assembled, flocked to the Censor's house, wounded three footmen of the Censor and tried to seize the Censor himself; so that the latter set the Bairagis free and sent the copper idols to the local subahdar ..."
Pandharpur (Maharashtra)
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"... The Emperor, summoning Muhammad Khalil and Khidmat Rai, the darogha of hatchet-men .... ORDERED THEM TO DEMOLISH THE TEMPLE OF PANDHARPUR, and to take the butchers of the camp there AND SLAUGHTER COWS IN THE TEMPLE ... It was done..."
On Way to the Deccan
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" ... When the war with the Rajputs was over, Aurangzeb decided to leave for the Deccan. His march seems to have been marked with A DESTRUCTION TO MANY TEMPLES on the way. On May 21, 1681, the superintendent of the labourers WAS ORDERED TO DESTROY ALL THE TEMPLES on the route..."
Lakheri ( ? - means the place is not traceable today )
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" ... On 27 Sept., 1681, the emperor issued orders FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLES at Lakheri..."
Rasulpur( ? )
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"... About this time, April 14, 1692, orders were issued to the provincial governor and the district faujdar TO DEMOLISH THE TEMPLES at Rasulpur..."
Sheogaon ( ? )
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" ... Sankar, a messenger, was sent TO DEMOLISH A TEMPLE near Sheogaon.."
Ajmer (Rajasthan)
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"... Bijai Singh and several other Hindus were reported to be carrying on public worship of idols in a temple in the neighborhood of Ajmer. On 23 June, 1694, THE GOVERNER OF AJMER WAS ORDERED TO DESTROY THE TEMPLE and stop the public adoration of idol worship there..."
Wakenkhera ( ? )
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" ... The TEMPLE OF WAKENKHERA IN THE FORT WAS DEMOLISHED ON 2 MARCH, 1705. ..."
" ... On 24th Rabi S. (Sunday, May 25th), Khan Jahan Bahadur came from Jodhpur, AFTER DEMOLISHING THE TEMPLES and bringing with himself some cart-loads of idols, and had audience of the Emperor, who higly praised him and ordered that the idols, which were mostly jewelled, golden, silver, bronze, copper, or stone, should be cast in the yard (jilaukhanah) of the Court AND UNDER THE STEPS OF THE JAMA MOSQUE, TO BE TRODDEN UPON..."
Udaipur (Rajasthan)
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" ... Ruhullah Khan and Ekkataz Khan WENT TO DEMOLISH THE GREAT TEMPLE in front of the Rana's palace, which was one of the rarest buildings of the age and the chief cause of the destruction of the life and property of the despised worshippers. Twenty 'machator' Rajputs who were sitting in the Temple vowed to give up their lives; first one of them came out to fight, killed some and was them himself slain, then came out another and so on, until every one of the twenty perished, after killing a large number of the imperialists including the trusted slave Ikhlas. The Temple was found empty. THE HEWERS BROKE THE IMAGES. ..."
" ...On Saturday, the 24th January, 1680 (2nd Muharram), the Emperor went to view lake Udaisagar, constructed by the Rana, AND ORDERED ALL THE THREE TEMPLES ON ITS BANKS TO BE DEMOLISHED. ..."
" ...On the 29th January/7th Muharram, Hasan Ali Khan brought to the Emperor twenty camel-loads of tents and other things captured from the Rana's Palace and REPORTED THAT ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-TWO OTHER TEMPLES IN THE ENVIRONS OF UDAIPUR HAD BEEN DESTROYED. The Khan received the title of Bahadur Alamgirshahi..."
Amber (Rajasthan)
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"... Abu Turab, who had been SENT TO DEMOLISH THE TEMPLES of AMBER, returned to the Court on Tuesday August 10th (Rajab 24th), and reported that HE HAD PULLED DOWN SIXTY-SIX TEMPLES. ..."
Bijapur (Karnataka)
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" ... Hamiduddin Khan Bahadur WHO HAD GONE TO DEMOLISH A TEMPLE AND BUILD A MOSQUE (IN ITS PLACE) in Bijapur, having excellently carried his orders, came to court and gained praise and the post of darogha of gusulkhanah, which brought him near the Emperor's person..."
General Text
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"...LARGE NUMBERS OF PLACES OF WORSHIP OF THE INFIDELS AND GREAT TEMPLES OF THESE WICKED PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROWN DOWN AND DESOLATED. Men who can see only the outside of things are filled with wonder at the successful accomplishment of such a seemingly difficult task. AND ON THE SITES OF THE TEMPLES LOFTY MOSQUES HAVE BEEN BUILT..."
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HISTORY FROM THE HORSES MOUTH
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WHAT ROMILA THAPAR , YADUNATH SARKAR , DR BISHAMBER PANDEY NEVER TOLD YOU
The author was a nobleman of Aurangzebs court. He died in AD 1684. the history ascribed to him was really compiled by Muhammad Baqa of Saharanpur who gave the name of his friend as its author. Baqa was a prolific writer who was invited by Bakhtawar Khan to Aurangzebs court and given a respectable rank. He died in AD 1683.
Excerpts:
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Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (1658-1707) General Order
" ...Hindu writers have been entirely excluded from holding public offices, and ALL THE WORSHIPPING PLACES OF THE INFIDELS AND GREAT TEMPLES of these infamous people HAVE BEEN THROWN DOWN AND DESTROYED in a manner which excites astonishment at the successful completion of so difficult a task. His Majesty personally teaches the sacred kalima to many infidels with success. ... All mosques in the empire are repaired at public expense..."
2. "Alamgir-Nama" by Mirza Muhammad Kazim
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This work, written in AD 1688 contains a history of the first ten years of Aurangzeb's reign.
Excerpts:
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Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (1658-1707) Palamau (Bihar)
" ...In 1661 Aurangzeb in his zeal to uphold the law of Islam sent orders to his viceroy in Bihar, Daud Khan, to conquer Palamau. In the military operations that followed MANY TEMPLES WERE DESTROYED..."
Koch Bihar (Bengal)
" ...Towards the end of the same year when Mir Jumla made a war on the Raja of Kuch Bihar, the MUGHALS DESTROYED MANY TEMPLES during the course of their operations. IDOLS WERE BROKEN AND SOME TEMPLES WERE CONVERTED INTO MOSQUES. ..."
3. "Masir-i-Alamgiri" by Saqi Mustad Khan
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The author completed this history in 1710 at the behest of Inayatullah Khan Kashmiri, Aurangzeb's last secretary and favorite disciple in state policy and religiosity. The materials which Mustad Khan used in this history of Aurangzebs reign came mostly from the State archives.
Excerpts:
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Muhiyud-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (1658-1707) General Order
"...The Lord Cherisher of the faith learnt that in the provinces of Tatta, Multan, and especially at Benaras, the Brahmin misbelievers used to teach their false books in their established schools, and that admirers and students both Hindu and Muslim, used to come from great distances to these misguided men in order to acquire this vile learning. His majesty, eager to establish Islam, issues orders to the governors of all the provinces TO DEMOLISH THE
He then goes on to elaborate a theory of the innate inferiority of the ajlaf, the superiority of the ashraf and the divine right of the Sultan to rule, based on a distorted interpretation of Islam. Thus, he writes that the 'merits' and 'demerits' of all people have been 'apportioned at the beginning of time and allotted to their souls'. Hence, people's acts are not of their own volition, but, rather, an expression and result of 'Divine commandments'. God Himself, Barani claims, has decided that the ajlaf be confined to 'inferior' occupations, for He is said to have made them 'low born, bazaar people, base, mean, worthless, plebian, shameless and of dirty birth'. God has given them 'base' qualities, such as 'immodesty, wrongfulness, injustice, cruelty, non-recognition of rights, shamelessness, impudence, blood-shedding, rascality, jugglery and Godlessness' that are suitable only for such professions. Furthermore, these base qualities are inherited from father to son, and so the ajlaf must not attempt to take up professions reserved by God for the ashraf even if they are qualified to do so, for this would be a grave violation of the Divine Will. Likewise, Barani claims, God has bestowed the ashraf with noble virtues by birth itself, and these are transmitted hereditarily. Hence, they alone have the right and responsibility of taking up 'noble' occupations, such as ruling, teaching and preaching the faith.[5]
Since God is held to have made the ajlaf innately despicable and base, to promote them would be a gross violation of the divine plan. 'In the promotion of the low and low-born brings', Barani argues, ' there is no advantage in this world, for it is impudent to act against the wisdom of Creation'. Hence, he insists that if the Sultan confers any post in his court or
government service to the ajlaf, the 'court and the high position of the king will be disgraced, the people of God will be distressed and scattered, the objectives of the government will not be attained, and, finally, the king will be punished on the day of Judgment'. In this regard, he refers to a tradition attributed to the Prophet, according to which Muhammad is said to have declared, 'The vein is deceptive'. Although this tradition might be interpreted to suggest that one's social status does not depend on one's heredity, Barani offers a novel explanation of the tradition to suggest precisely the opposite conclusion, that 'the good vein and the bad vein draw towards virtue and vice', and that 'in the well-born and the noble only virtue and loyalty appear, while from the man of low birth and bad birth only wickedness and destruction originate'. Likewise, he provides a novel interpretation of a Qur'anic verse (xlix: 13) to support his claim of ashraf superiority. He quotes the Qur'an as saying that God honours the pious, a statement that has generally been read to suggest that superiority in God's eyes depends on one's piety and not birth, to arrive at pre
