Middle eastern or Russian oil and Gas reserves are resources that will be easily driven to extinction if India and China consume the same way America does today. While China is going around securing energy sources, India has been marginally successful. We have been following China like a kid follows the parent when it comes to securing energy supply. It is time India invested heavily on the research of alternate energy supply. It is time to kick our scientist out of hibernation and ask them to put their acts together. Look at the enoromous amount of money spent in reinventing the wheel in India. And we have some (one such name rhymes with aao!) dead woods who have no known retirement age, who continue running our scientific community like a mafia for decades. It is time we ask them simple questions and send them home with a good retirement package and do some work in earnest with the younger and much more motivated bunch of scientists who are nevertheless grooming with or without the help from these esteemed mafia scientists.
RE:We are obsessed with consumables!
by manish singh on Feb 16, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
ya its correct we should kick our scientist out of hibernation..but for that you have to pay them also...for 10000 or 12000 no one want to work as a scientist in india...ISRO guys crying over there salaries as the came to know that ther american couterpart gets 50 time they do..and everybody knows what a peanut indian research students and scientist get..
RE:RE:We are obsessed with consumables!
by Nirmalya Chakraborty on Feb 16, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
I agree with you.. But remember that I dollar is around 47 INR.. So if an american counterpart of our ISRO scientist gets 50 times more then it not a big deal.. ISRO scientists should be given an above average salary based on Indian Standards without considering what thier counterparts are getting in other countries.
India cannot avoid friendly relationship with any country.At the same time,India cannot spoil the relationship with old friend due to pressure from any body.When these kind of situations occure,India is the country to sacrifice certain things in order to continue freindly relationship.
Energy security :Fossil Fuel is going to be exasted.Hence,there will not be any fighting with each other on the issue of gas,coal,petroleum etc.Hence,installations of safe neuclear power generation,effective utilization of energy,improving efficiency of non-convention energy generation especially,continious energy research studies etc.. are very very important factors.Implementation of certain mandatory clauses of energy conservation Act 2001 (Certain clauses to be ammended & to be added)ne u
RE:Energy security thru Energy efficiency & Energy Research studies.
by Rock Water on Feb 16, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
fossil fuel will never get exhausted intially there were finding oil onshore then it was shallow waters now just from 199o its been deep water now from 2000 they are finding oil in Ultradeep water reliance gas find was in water depth of 3000m just imagine engineering challenge of having to overcome 3000m of hydrodynamic loading which is variable based on wind, tide and current man will over come many challenges and also remember the earth has more water then land and still we have just not tapped 1% of the ocean, i am subsea engineer so if your keen to know more do mail me we will have a chat rockwater@rediffmail.com
RE:RE:Energy security thru Energy efficiency & Energy Research studies.
by G.Ravinder on Feb 17, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
Understood,I mean to say the conventional fuel like coal,natural gas frm river banks,oil wells etc. Th AP state is facing power shortage,part of public opposing nuclaer power genaration.Govt & public not at all bother to utilize non conventional energy resources.There is no support frm govt to biomass power plants. The govt is busy in implementing irrigation projectsat movement
Any how thanks for informing about availabilty of gas in ulrtadeep of ocean.Kindly send me some more details about gas extraction plans etc
first of all, good article and good in-sights on the world scenario. We are looking for energy which can come from oil or nuclear or coal means. Oil is important for about everything. nuclear and coal gives electricity mainly. Then how about securing energy from BIOMASS utilization. After all, everywhere efforts are put on this aspect and India with its huge biomass feedstock (8 th in world) can tackle its own energy needs (at least in few percentage). How about this? Are our analysts hearing?
See the clear picture...us and europe is the place which will generate lot of business for us..we should be with them..dump iran ...as an how its going to die soon ..us is going to hunt them..so why are we spoiling our relations with us...and affect nuclear deal..also if we become us partner we dont have to go any where else because us will soon be the owner of iran gas assests...us is creating a sectrian voilence in iraq so that people die and no one is the owner of vast oil reserves...it will do similar thing in iran..if we partner us we could be in a stage of developing most advance wepon..also they will stop funding pakistan....we are in win win situation with us and europe
RE:Smart analysis but stupid thinking
by saif kashmiri on Feb 16, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
u are right.our way of thinking , demoicratic system is close to us and western europe system.china will never be our friend. russia is never a reliable friend , russians need india as only the buyers of their outdated weapons and whenever russians have problem with europe and us they remember india. middleeast is idealogically far away from india and will remain a threat for india.
RE:RE:Smart analysis but stupid thinking
by Deepak Srivastava on Feb 25, 2007 04:06 AM Permalink
how can my fellow rediff users ever think that us/Eur is going to help India.
"us and europe is the place which will generate lot of business for us" is the most stupid statement I found in this discussion. For India, China , Russia are the growing economies, and so eur and US are threatened that their economies will suffer, because of this.
No body placed well will allow others to enter their arena. That is sole purpose of almost all the world agencies like UN, world bank, NATO, IAEA, strong people keep united, and dont let others to become strong. In EUR and US are biggest enemies of India, for they are the ones who keep funding all terrorists and maoist and missionaries and also NGOs.
RE:Smart analysis but stupid thinking
by Phoenix Raj on Feb 16, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
You think only abt US. US will be short of energy and will looking for others. For that Oil purpose only it is attacking the Middle-East one country after another. This should not continue as Iran has good potential both in Nuclear Technology and other Energy sources. US should stop acting the Big Brother. The next war if happens will be because of Energy only.
the thing in geopolitics is tat the same players are friends and enemies in different contexts. While the arguments on the India Russia China axis consolidated around Iranaina gas supplies seems sound, India must be wary of trusting a reassertive Russia, along with China. Mark the establishment of the SAIC, which underscores cracks within the Russai China axis itself, secondly one must not forget that any such pipeline from Iran must pass through troublesome Pakista. The idea must therefore be to spread our resources. We take on American companies too fro the pipeline from Turkmenistan and also pursue the Iranian deal. After all what can India or even Russia do if the US starts dropping bombs on Iran? Secondly we do not want to be caught up in the Russian plan to dominate energy supplies. We must hedge our bets...
RE:smart analysis
by Rock Water on Feb 15, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
Chari thats a good analysis on the global front, yes Russia will rule the next era in terms of energy as they have the whole gas supply of europe under there control, but along with India iran pipeline there was another plan of India Oman pipeline have u heard abt that it involves lying subsea pipeline for enormous lenght but the problem there was technological drawbacks maintaing an integrity of a pipeline subsea was difficult like carrying out pigging operation but it was a good option which is been shelved, Iran issue also seems to hav its risk not only cause of Pakistan but also balochistan who are unhappy with pakistan governement and they can disrupt the supply there are many issues
India does have major hydrocarbon potential, there have been some major oil discoveries in the past years example 2002 Cairn energy found 2billion barrels of oil in Rajastan with a potential of tapping 1.3billion barrels, Reliance found a major gas field offshore bay of bengal (KGbasin)known as Dhirubhai block, the gas is intented to flow by 2008 for commercial use, GSPC also found gas in KG basin, Cairn found oil in Rawa block which was previously operated by ONGC, Cairn where actually drilling a water injection well when they encountered massive Oil reserve, Hardy oil has found gas currently, ONGC has found oil reserves in the Mahanadi block, and all these blocks were given in Pre-NELP (New Exploration Licensing policy) currently NELP-VI is been announced hence there is a good potential but it is the investment that Indian companies are lacking as to drill an exploratary well in deep water will cost $60m and its always not one well leads to a find companies need to drill atleast 6 wells in the block supported by good geological surveys to hit black gold as such investments are not possible by Indian companies we need likes of Exxon, shell, BP in the fray and Indian companies are tieing up with them to get the technology, currently ONGC has tied up with ENI, Indian basins are rich the Bengal fan(bay of bengal) and the arabian fan (arabian sea have immense potential western geologist love to study the sedimentation of these basins and are very opptimistic its just in India that everyone are into IT which is just an overspill of european market and our youths are proud of it, We need youths taking up petroleum , geology as subjects and specilise so as to tap the immense wealth India has hidden, its a treasure hunt, and no alternative energy can run this world its just oil and thats the reason America ,UK, have dominated the energy market by just providing technology witouth these technologies middle east wouldnt be producing at this level and all the companies run in the middle east are western none indegeniuos Aramco is part owned by americans. so India just need to devolop its potential at the same time bid for blocks overseas which currently indian companies are doing ONGC videsh, OIL, GAIL, Reliance etc.
RE:Hydrocarbon rules
by Nirmalya Chakraborty on Feb 16, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
A good analysis.. Actually as a common man, I never knew about all these developments.. But my question is even if we get oil reserves in the blocks which are under exploration how long will it be able to sustain the demand in India.. Please tell us more about the potential of such discoveries..
RE:RE:Hydrocarbon rules
by Rock Water on Feb 16, 2007 05:51 PM Permalink
I like to throw light into how much oil saudi produces per day its 2 million barrels per day so their finds are enormous and once you have massive finds they sustain for a long time like instance Iraq supposed to have 300 billion barrels of reserves in place and u need to tap it thats all so oil finds can be massive for example Digboi in assam was the second discovery of oil in the world after texas in 1889 but till today the well produces 200 barrels per day not bad for a well which is more then 200 years old there are good reserves in Assam thats the reason we have trouble there i hope u got a fair idea
RE:Hydrocarbon rules
by asokan a on Feb 15, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Nice. But the potential is a fraction of our requirement. Iran gas is very crucial to us.
RE:Hydrocarbon rules
by rajkumar vaikhari on Feb 15, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
excellent analysis but I disagree abt the alternate energy bit- WE NEED alternate energy
RE:RE:Hydrocarbon rules
by Rock Water on Feb 15, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Asokan I like to tell you that the above finds i mentioned are related to Pre-NELP and the current round is NELP-VI so 6 rounds of licensing have been alloted the last round i.e VI had 55 blocks and the least ever that has ever been awarded is 28 blocks so in an average there are 240 blocks to be explored and one good find has the potential to overcome all worlds production as the Ganges and brahamaputra are flowing for ages into the bay of bengal and Indus, Jhelum, Ravi etc have been flowing into arabian sea, so take into consideration about the sedimenation its enormous its in ultradeep waters say 3000m water depth so there are challenges but with the right technology we can make it, I am positive as I have spoken to some of thw worlds best geologist and professors from UK and the world and they are curious to know the hidden potential of our amazing basins, so we have just hit a small bit of our massive reserve and yes Iran front is important as we can have gas delivered at our door but world political affairs r more challengin then finding hydrocarbon reserves. and yes rajkumar we need alternate energy its nice to see India developing all fields of energy opportunities, renewable, non renewable its all energy and employment and eventually development, but i will urge graduates not just head in direction of one field like a civil engineer opting IT, I wont support it, I would like to see a civil engineer as a good structural engineer or transportation engineer, India is looking to develop infrastructure big time so any graduates shouldnt shift fields to just one area as its the highest paid in India as this will lead to knowledge gaps and like energy security we need our graduates concentrating in new areas as well, we need good quality engineers and scientist not just IT engineers every where its a bit boring i pressume mail me if anyone is interested in knowing abt a career in the oil industry ill will like to pass on some good academic materials rockwater@rediffmail.com
RE:RE:RE:Hydrocarbon rules
by lokesh mehta on Feb 16, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
I am interested in such academic material. I have recently initiated myself into OIL & GAS Industry.lmehta@gail.co.in
Energy Conservation Act 2001 has been enacted by the Parliament, approved by the President of India. Bureau of Energy Efficiency has been established, but more than organizing seminars and poster competitions, the enforcement of compulsory energy audit like tax audit with the sole objective to identify energy wastage and then also conserve energy, BEE has done nothing. Identify energy wastages, pilferages, thefts, strictly enforce various laws already in place, then you shall see a different energy sector for which doomsday concerns on energy security may not arise at all.
RE:alternate energy
by Rock Water on Feb 15, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
what alternative r u talkin, wind, tidal, what crap can match hydrocarbon potential let me know at what rate u expect them to be enhanced u just cant replace oil with something else as it drives the world economy.
RE:RE:alternate energy
by Venkat on Feb 15, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
dude which world do u live in?? hydrocarbons are the ones killing our planet..dont u realise that?? HCs can be supplemented by wind,tidal,hydro electric, fuel cells, solar etc. The govt is providing huge subsidies to HCs which is the reason for for our huge trade defecit. If the same money is invested in development/invention/promotion of alternative energy then we'll have a better world to live in and also frees us from the dictumns of west and middle east. Offcourse I dont consider nuclear fuel as an alternative to HCs as its more dangerous than HCs.
RE:RE:RE:alternate energy
by Rock Water on Feb 15, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
emissions can be cut down by going green compressed natural gas is an option and nowadays most cars are zero emmission so dont blame hydrocarbons, The worlds economy is dictated by them, every dollar increase in a barrel makes a strain on the national budget , inflation etc, and no amount of wind, tidal, solar or any friendly source can replace them yes they are green but not when it comes to providing energy to 1.2billion people, we are an emerging economy we need energy to reach the need of our economy, I am not against the environment but for India and china we need to concentrate on growth we need to implement techniques where we can cut on our CO2 emissions by using technology but not go complete green thats the reality I see
RE:alternate energy
by asokan a on Feb 15, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
Why don't we think of drastic measures to reduce consumption? India should encourage animal muscle power.
