First of all, Navjot sidhu is not a complete sikh.His wife and he too cut hair.His party is also not panthic.So he is normal guy, if he is asking for vote in the name of sikh community, then Havan question can be raised . Mr P Badal must not perform Havan.
sikhism by on Feb 14, 2007 01:15 AM | Hide replies
The sikh gurus have made it clear throughout their writing that they regarded the religions of hindus and islam as false, as they diverted from teh path of God. Sikhism was created to guide people to teh worship of God and salvation. No one else or place of pilgrimage or ritual was to be worshipped. read Max arthru macaullife 6vols on sikhism this is a classic book, then you will know what sikhism is about. most of you ppl here dont know nothing about sikhism. youre all fighting in the same way hindus and muslims fought over Kabir's body when he died in Maghar. Wake up, read and increase your knowledge stop abusing each other idly or without sanity.
finally navjot sidhu is a criminal he has proven guilty by high court, shame on all ppl who think he is an icon! when are we indians going to come out of slave mentality.
The sikh gurus have made it clear throughout their writing that they regarded the religions of hindus and islam as false, as they diverted from teh path of God. Sikhism was created to guide people to teh worship of God and salvation. No one else or place of pilgrimage or ritual was to be worshipped. read Max arthru macaullife 6vols on sikhism this is a classic book, then you will know what sikhism is about. most of you ppl here dont know nothing about sikhism. youre all fighting in the same way hindus and muslims fought over Kabir's body when he died in Maghar. Wake up, read and increase your knowledge stop abusing each other idly or without sanity.
finally navjot sidhu is a criminal he has proven guilty by high court, shame on all ppl who think he is an icon! when are we indians going to come out of slave mentality.
Sidhu should be punished by the Sikhs in the form of votes. First thing he is a criminal. He killed a fellow sikh a few years back. He was convicted by the Court. But still, I do not understand why BJP could not find another candidate. BJP keeps on barking on moral values in politics. But look at the list of corruptions list during their regime and do not ever forget the Tehelka.com and George Fernandes' Jaya Jaitley accepting money, the Judeo episode, the Bangaru Laxman episode and what not.
C'on brothers now,dont start fight between our- salves,I am a hindu and my family has sikh following. As a hindu u can find me were a fellow humanbeings thinks the god is i.e. church,mosque, gurudwara,synogogue etc.my religion dosenot stop me from offering prayers as done by others then why stop skih,christian,muslim from offering paryers in other ways than their respective religion.My family is mix of hindu and sikh do you expect us to slit each others throte?now forget about sikhs even buddaism, jainism,is said to have born out of hinduism they do not call themselves hindus,no problem .The defination of hindu as per our constitution is quote" one who is not christian,muslim,jew,zorastrian is a hindu untill one proves otherwise"
It's better to preach the truth given by religions and saints to all of our citizens including politicians. Religion is man made where as spirituality is God made. Please do not mix up spirituality and religion / religion and politics. Supreme soul (PARAM ATHMA) will never forgive us if we misuse HIM for our narrow gains.
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by vipankumar dogra on Feb 12, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
please first be clear that the sikh religion was founded by guru govind sing ot save hindus from the onslaught by then muslim ruler aurangzeb who was responcible for the beheading of shri guru tegbahadur the father of guru gobind singh.that time one member of hindu family was turned into or converted to sikhism.pl dont destroy this integral relationship by such narrowminded views.think in a broadway.sat sri akal.
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by on Feb 12, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
sikh religion was not made to safe hindus hindus came beging for there religion towards guru tegh bhadhur singh ji.guruji safed ur religion that dosnt means that religion was made to save hindus
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by vipankumar dogra on Feb 12, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
pity on your thinking,who were the panj payaras when guru govind singh was begging the martyrs for religious cause.and be clear that it was guru govind singh who founded sikh religion and their religious doctrines.untill then there was no sikh religion.can u say that guru nanak was nanak sing.were the parents of guru nanak were sikh.think before u write any thing.
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by tejwant singh on Feb 13, 2007 05:26 PM Permalink
Vipin
I feel pity for ignorant ppl like you. Sikhism is not like Hinduism that we differentiate between Guru Nanak ji ..and Guru Gobind Singh ji.........Sikhism beleives that all 10 gurus were same spirit....just 10 diff bodies U try to impose hindu thinking on SIkhs as well.....like i m Ram bhagat, i m Krishna Bhagat, I am Hanuman Bhagat Sikhs r not like this............Watever GuruGobind SIngh said and did....was not opposed to Guru Nanak Dev ji.. ....whosoever will beleive in Guru Nanak Dev ji will be having belief in Guru Gobind Singh ji as well and vice versa..
So Sikhism was started by Guru Nanak Dev ji only.....and guru gobind singh ji just completed the process of formation of the pious religion.
So never insult ideology of Guru Nanak Dev ji by saying him Hindu bcoz he only opposed all the Hindu rituals(if u know history).
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by Arvinder Paul on Feb 13, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
Please have some respect when speaking of Gurus, be it of any religion. They were not ordinary peopele to be spoken of using words like begging. We can't even think in our dreams of achieving even 1% of what they did.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji was not begging (FYKI) first of all and what he did was not for his own sake or his family (infact he sacrificed each and every member of his family for the sake of upholding the principles of Sikhism and fighting for injustice and I don't think there is any other instance in the history to parallel it). He was creating a the nucleus of a casteless society and teaching ordinary people how to be brave and strong willed and live a spititual life with self respect and not like slaves to the muslim ruler of that time, Aurangzeb.
Ofcourse Guru Nanak Devji started the Sikh religion. A lot of people like you get confused in this. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was the last living Guru of Sikhs and gave the final form to Sikh religion in terms of its own identity. It's philosophy is much more deep rooted which was started by Guru Nanak Dev ji and carried on by the nine living Gurujis there after and is present now in the shape of the 11th Guru, Guru Granth Sahib ji.
On the Baisakhi day of 30 March 1699 Guru Gobind Singh Ji formed the Panj Pyaare (literally the five beloved ones) from Bhai Daya Ram (a Khatri from Lahore), Bhai Dharam Das (from Hastinapur), Bhai Himmat Rai (a water carrier from Jagan-Nath Puri, Orissa), Bhai Mohkam Rai (a printer from Dwarka Gujrat) and Bhai Sahib Chand (a barber born in Bidar, Karnataka) as the nucleus of the Khalsa (the pure one - like Khalis as in pure) adding Singhs and Kaurs (for ladies) to their names. He thus removed the barriers of caste, region, status and anyother which existed and united them as one. He then got himself baptised by taking amrit from the panj pyaare and called him self Gobind Singh...before that his name was Gobind Rai.
The attire he gave too was not without reason. When Guru Teg Bahadur ji was killed by Aurangzeb, there was no one who even dared to come forward and take his body away and perform the last rites. Then Bhai Jaita ji came forward and took Gurujis body and placed it in his own house and burned it to preform the last rites. Gurudwara Sis Ganj in Chandni Chown, Delhi is where Guru Teg Bahadur Ji was sacrificed. On learning this Guru Gobind Rai ji said that I will create such a race and give it such an attire that they will be identified in millions and will not be able to hide even if they want to. To make them strong willed and teach them to live with self respect, he created the Khalsa and called then Singhs (the Lions) and the girls Kaurs (Princesses).
If you wish to know more go to http://www.sikhnet.com/ or any other good site to learn more about Sikhism.
Oh comeon now ... the politicians need to relax, how does it matter if he performed a yagna.. Fire is a natural substance, an element of nature and sikhism preaches "kudrat de sab bande" so if he worshipped fire, in a way he worshipped nature
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by surbhi soni on Feb 12, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
hey dhts true dnt undrstun y politicians doesnt mk d issue of vital issues ...dese r trivial issues...God can b worshipped anyway..he has not set ny rules for worshippin him...its v who mk or break....Krishanji ne to shabrri ke ber khaye the...
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by head films on Feb 13, 2007 05:32 AM Permalink
dear surbhi shabri ke ber incident is from ramayan, it was ram who ate them and not kishenji to the best of my knowwledge. arshad khan
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by vishal vibhu on Feb 12, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
problem is our voters[illiterate mostly] ...Else these politicians wont be able to milk them with these stupid things... & shabrii ke ber RAM Ji ne kahye theyy... ;-)
When all parties are spending money on gurudwara elections, purpose everybody knows. No religion promotes corruption, but most of the politician are corrupt. why these people are accusing each other in the name of religion. It would be better for them to do a good work every day.
This is shame on Sikhs for taking action against Sidhu who wants to bring communal harmony among Sikhs & Hindus. In the first place, sikhs should retrospect about their origins and links with Hinduism. Weren't they once part of hinduism? Its very unfortunate to learn that even Sikhism is turning into rigid & seperatist. Similar aggressions happened in UK few weeks ago, as few of the Hindu temples kept "Guru Granth Sahib" along with Hindu deities. Some sikh terrorists attacked those temples without shame. Its high time for them to reinvent their true philosophy which teaches harmony, peace & respect for other faiths.
RE:Siddhu's Fire ritual
by Sameer Khan on May 24, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
Start off by telling your Hindu brothers to practise what you preach. Look at all the Sikh temples that were desecrated in 1984.
Look at all the injustice faced by the Sikhs at the hands of Hindus.
RE:Siddhu's Fire ritual
by amit singh on Feb 13, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
Sikhs were not part of only hindus. Those were ordinary people who belonged to all the religion that existed during that time who started following sik philoshphy. How can a guru granth sahib ju be in hindu temple because there is fundamental difference in philosphy between hindus, muslims and sikhs.
I know very little as to what is prohibited in Sikhism. But can tell two things for certain. Fire which is a symbol of life is lighted in every house across the world.No life is possible without Sun & Fire. So in a way everybody does havan everyday.Secondly any child can say that this is another move by the congress to show Sidhu in poor light in the context of the elections. The whole of India is proud of Sidhu for he is one of the few politicians who is clean, sincere & truly patriotic.
RE:Fire & Sun are sacred to entire humanity
by Kalai Selvan on Feb 14, 2007 06:58 AM Permalink
TRULY PATRIOTIC Sidhu showed his true patriotism to the whole world by beating up and killing a fellow Indian and a sikh brother !! How proud we are of him!! & how badly we need more true patriots like these who are clean & sincere in murdering other people !!! Keep it up Sidhu. Get elected so you can kill more people!!!especially sikhs!
